Word Definition Hide Frame

ASUNDER · 2025-02-07T01:05:52+00:00

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For the 'Gloss' type word definition could you make it hide the word structure info, and just have the basic definition please.

You can see by this example of how it makes this feature borderline unhelpful.
If you have to click on the link to get the full definition then it removes the convenience of this quick - basic definitions pane.

What would also be helpful is to have the plain word at the top of the info panel, without the pronunciation. So in this example at the top of the pane would be mercy. That's the header to all the information sub headers in the pane.

The annoying part of this is the info that is in the square brackets. The word origins, frame of the word etc. People don't often need that info, and when they do, that's what the link to the full definition is for.

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MJ. Smith

You can control much of this by the prioritization of your dictionaries e.g.

Many dictionaries will not respond to a request for the gloss view because the dictionary does not have the concept of gloss in its structure - glosses as usually in multi-language dictionaries.

This is more representative of how I set it up when I am working, no building examples:

ASUNDER

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1357045#Comment_1357045

"Gloss" or "Brief" isn't really what I'm concerned about.
A way to hide the definition's metadata that (with the top dictionary I'm currently using) appears before the plain definition.

Yours looks good so I'll probably just swap over to that dictionary and see how it goes.

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1357055#Comment_1357055

I assumed you meant gloss because that is the setting that behaves as you want. Your screenshot shows you found the option for gloss, brief, full.

ASUNDER

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1357065#Comment_1357065

Ya. I've had that Collins dictionary on my wish list.
I don't really care which one I use; whatever is straightforward and effective is fine to me.
But lots of people swear by the Oxford dictionary.

What's neat is having multiple sources prioritized in order, so if a word isn't found in the top source, it runs the next source until eventually the word will get picked up by the net. To the point of a word sometimes gets picked up by my KJV dictionary; if it's more of a Biblical term than a common English one.

So if the top definition isn't guaranteed, that undesired gibberish metadata can and does sometimes show up. But if there is a feature that hides it by default then no matter what source is used the definition will be a simple and straightforward definition every time.

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1357075#Comment_1357075

There is a feature that does that - the gloss form. But like all features, it is dependent upon the structure of the book. Just like you cannot show pericope headings in a Bible that doesn't have pericopes, you can't extract the gloss in dictionaries that don't have a gloss. I laugh when you call it the "undesired gibberish metadata" because that is exactly what I want shown and why I use Beekes as my primary Greek dictionary. Why? Because I don't know Greek but I know other early Indo-European languages so the etymology ties things back to what I actually know.

Mind you, I have no objection with what you are requesting, I merely want to be sure that you understand what is available now and why it has the weaknesses/strengths it has.

ASUNDER

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1357076#Comment_1357076

Ok. You say it depends on the book, but my request is for a feature to make it not depend on the book. For a "gloss" to only show the first definition.

I don't know what else to call it cause I don't even know what that stuff means.
The Oxford isn't bad except for that ugly square.

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1357279#Comment_1357279

I'll try one last time to explain that Logos cannot create data that is not in the dictionary, nor can they select text that is not identifiable. Within those parameters, you must choose the dictionary that best meets your needs. Logos has to code to handle a variety of dictionaries but they cannot code for every possible variant of dictionaries.

ASUNDER

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1357290#Comment_1357290

Logos can't, so this is a request. It's possible.

Our ticket that makes it possible is the square brackets, numbers etc.
The code could be different per dictionary. There aren't that many dictionaries. If=ASD, then module 1 (each module is particular block of code that looks for the things in that particular book that would hide the unwanted text.)

For example, Merriam Webster's has a number that begins the definition. This is for every entry. So the code could be: hide everything before the first #1. And hide the #1. Copy over the selected text from the actual book to be the header title (because basically 99.9% of the time the word that is selected is plain text). So instead of the header (title) of the definition being pur*view, it will be purview. Then the body of the definition with start with "a: the body or enacting part of a statute." Or keep the numbers to make sure people know this isn't the only definition. There could be a … to indicate there are more definitions.

The American Dictionary uses numbers too. But if it can't find a number then it could resort to hide everything before the last square bracket. And the same copy over of the definition.

Then we could also have a dedicated button there that you could click and it would fetch the full definition right in the pane without having to open the book.

MJ. Smith

Suggestions belong in the feedback forum. @Jason Stone (Logos) could you move this.

Jason Stone (Logos)

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