Hello,
What would you think about having the Merriam Websters 1828 dictionary available on Logos?
Thanks!
Douglas
There is, but it is sold by someone else (designed for Libronix/Logos) and I'm not allowed to link to such, due to forum guidelines. I was wondering if it even mattered though, since Logos does not sale the product. If I'm allowed to direct you to such, then perhaps an employee could let me know.
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Here is my email if you are allowed too.
"Jahovahrafa at inbox dot com"
Sincerely,
Douglas, you might not want to post your email address in plain text like that, as spam bots scouring the web can pick it up. Most people modify theirs in some way such as "emailname at domain dot com."
You can edit your post if you do it within the first few hours of posting. Just click on the More button beside your post and select Edit, then make the changes and click Post.
It is included in the "The Christian History Library" http://www.logos.com/products/details/3525
Douglas, you might not want to post your email address in plain text like that, as spam bots scouring the web can pick it up. Most people modify theirs in some way such as "emailname at domain dot com." You can edit your post if you do it within the first few hours of posting. Just click on the More button beside your post and select Edit, then make the changes and click Post.
Thank You
I am sure you meant Noah Webster 1828 dictionary.....As Don said, you can get it in the really cool bundle with the other titles from Foundation for American Christian Education (F.A.C.E.) I have used those books in homeschooling and can recommend them with a smile on my f.a.c.e. [:D]
or, you can also find it sold in Libronix format published by F.A.C.E. at locations off this web site.
Just be careful to confirm it is actually the Libronix format CD. There is another version that is NOT the same. NOTE: The same goes for the Oxford Concise Dictionary - there is a Libronix format & another that is not.
Foundation for American Christian Eduataion (F.A.C.E.)
I really shouldn't tease you but I hope your spelling isn't indicative of the quality of their educational materials. [:D] - it just too good an opportunity for me to behave myself, despite having some spelling bloopers of my own.
but I hope your spelling isn't indicative of
Before Noah Webster spelling was pretty muche whotebwer a pursun wantted it too be.
It has a lot more to do with my stubborn refusal to use spell checkers than it does with the fine ladies who wrote the texts.
btw: thanks for immortalizing my boo-boo in the quote. It is funny, huh?
Foundation for American Christian Eduataion (F.A.C.E.) I really shouldn't tease you but I hope your spelling isn't indicative of the quality of their educational materials. - it just too good an opportunity for me to behave myself, despite having some spelling bloopers of my own.
I really shouldn't tease you but I hope your spelling isn't indicative of the quality of their educational materials. - it just too good an opportunity for me to behave myself, despite having some spelling bloopers of my own.
Would someone care to explain why this particular dictionary is desired? It's not old enough (nor British enough) to be useful regarding the language of the King James, and it's too old to be of contemporary relevance.
You're welcome - I could correct the spelling and leave the subsequent readers totally confused. My sister proof reads for an educational software firm. She has a number of funny cases that the spell checker missed including misspellings people added into their dictionary.
Would someone care to explain why this particular dictionary is desired?
Here is the (breathless) copy on the web page referenced above describing why you, George Somsel, should buy this dictionary.
The Webster’s 1828 Dictionary is a unique and essential tool for educating Christians. It has the greatest number of Biblical definitions of any reference. Roots are traced in 26 languages. Usage examples come from classical literature and the Bible. This dictionary becomes not only a tool for defining words biblically, it becomes a way of thinking that forms your worldview. It will equip you for Christian leadership, strengthen your vocabulary, give you an edge in communicating your view and become your foundation for thinking and reasoning Biblically. This tool can be the turning point for you to be more effective in communicating Christian principles used in government, economics, and marketing or for your student to clearly understand how the Bible has influenced every area of life.
The definitions frequently use scripture references or just plain good old fashioned moral examples. Webster's Bible took the KJV text and "Americanized" it so it is not really a KJV issue at all. Many students of the founding fathers like having a more contemporary source to understand their writings. American syntax has really degraded in the past 180 years. (Just like our spelling skills....[:$] )
Would someone care to explain why this particular dictionary is desired? Here is the (breathless) copy on the web page referenced above describing why you, George Somsel, should buy this dictionary. The Webster’s 1828 Dictionary is a unique and essential tool for educating Christians. It has the greatest number of Biblical definitions of any reference. Roots are traced in 26 languages. Usage examples come from classical literature and the Bible. This dictionary becomes not only a tool for defining words biblically, it becomes a way of thinking that forms your worldview. It will equip you for Christian leadership, strengthen your vocabulary, give you an edge in communicating your view and become your foundation for thinking and reasoning Biblically. This tool can be the turning point for you to be more effective in communicating Christian principles used in government, economics, and marketing or for your student to clearly understand how the Bible has influenced every area of life.
Yes, buy that dictionary and you too can write persuasive ad copy like that. [:)]
I could correct the spelling and leave the subsequent readers totally confused
No. This is "live, without a net!"
It was, however, found necessary to correct many of old Noah's biblical etymologies once G. C. Merriam took over the publication. Having the definitions isn't the most important factor but whether they are correct.
Yes, buy that dictionary and you too can write persuasive ad copy like that.
I think I'll stick with my Collins 8th, Merriam-Webster Collegiate and Concise Oxford unless the bring out the OED then I in for that.
Sounds to me like I ought to purchase a bridge and some snake oil from them as well.[H] Oops, should I have kept my mouth shut? [:#] As a certain comic used to say "The [6] made me do it."
Yes, buy that dictionary and you too can write persuasive ad copy like that. I think I'll stick with my Collins 8th, Merriam-Webster Collegiate and Concise Oxford unless the bring out the OED then I in for that.
Yup, I'm holding out for the OED, too!
I would love the OED in Logos format. The only problem I foresee is the pricing. You can currently pick up the 20 vol. 2nd Ed. at £165... Could Logos match this? £165 is very reasonable for such a considerable piece of work...
I would settle for the Shorter OED (2 vol.) which is still excellent and worth having (although it is lighter, by necessity, on the etymology).
I'll throw in my 2 cents and recommend:
http://www.amazon.com/Noah-Webster-Times-American-Patriot/dp/0471379433
I thoroughly enjoyed this biography, which explains (among other things) the creation of copyright law in the US, and the origins of "zee" (v.s. "zed") in our alphabet.
I probably reflect more on (and share anecdotes from!) this biography than any other I've read. (Okay, maybe it's second, after Edmund Morris' "The Rise of Theodore Roosevelt.")
I want to do:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Century_Dictionary
You can see it (in facsimile) here:
http://global-language.com/CENTURY/
Yup, I'm holding out for the OED, too! I want to do: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Century_Dictionary You can see it (in facsimile) here: http://global-language.com/CENTURY/
Oh, very nice! You'd want to do it with illustrations, too, I hope?
Century and OED [Y]
Let's put them on Pre-Pub! Or Even better Community Pricing
Having the definitions isn't the most important factor
A dictionary without definitions........... hmm.........[*-)]
Amazing how taking your sentence out of context changes the inherent meaning. By the time Merriam got a hold of Webster's the context had changed. This did not make Noah's work "incorrect", just dated. When I study archaic Japanese I refer to older dictionaries. The Japanese language has changed drastically in the last 150 years and new dictionaries (fine for modern study) do little to aid in classical studies. Webster's 1828 dictionary is the best for reading period writings in context.
I would definitely go for OED in Logos.
American syntax has really degraded in the past 180 years.
???
American syntax has really degraded in the past 180 years. ???
It is a joke Michael. [:)] A demonstration of how an American can say something that has convoluted meaning because of a lack of knowledge of the proper definitions of words.
addendum: I must agree the joke isn;t half as funny as a baby conversing with a hamburger.
It is a joke Michael. A demonstration of how an American can say something that has convoluted meaning because of a lack of knowledge of the proper definitions of words. addendum: I must agree the joke isn;t half as funny as a baby conversing with a hamburger.
It is a joke Michael. A demonstration of how an American can say something that has convoluted meaning because of a lack of knowledge of the proper definitions of words.
Indeed.
addendum: I must agree the joke isn;t half as funny as a baby conversing with a hamburger
OK, are you making fun of me ? [Current avatar = BK Whopper] [:)] Seriously, I'm sure you're not, but it sounds good.
Sorry for my ignorance, what is OED? Oxford English Dictionary?
Yes
Check out what just arrived in pre-pub today! The Century Dictionary. When Bob wants to do something, it gets done. [:)]
The Century dictionary is a nice dictionary, except it seems to be almost completely lacking in etymological dates (example page), which is the main reason I'd like to have the OED in Logos format. I already have all of the other English dictionaries in Logos, I can't see spending $250 for another one without good reason. Perhaps someone can convince me?
Sure, it's not as good as OED in etymologies (but it does show the actual Greek instead of a transliteration). And it does give some quotes with dates which is more than any of our existing dictionaries can say. Here are a couple of examples:
Granted, it doesn't always give the full citation information, but we don't have OED and aren't likely to get it any time soon. This is the next best thing.
Furthermore, the illustrations are awesome, and Logos is keeping the illustrations (yay!), plus it's got much more detailed definitions than the best English dictionary currently available in Logos (Collins 8th ed.). Where would you rather look up centaur? New Century:
Collins:
Note: it was a total coincidence that I happened to browse to a random place in the dictionary that had words very close to Century. I was just looking for something with an illustration and this is what came up! [:)]
(but it does show the actual Greek instead of a transliteration)
Hmm, you got me there.
Granted, it doesn't always give the full citation information, but we don't have OED and aren't likely to get it any time soon.
Yes that annoyed me a bit. To fully source the citations, I would have to use Google and that might not even do it.
t's got much more detailed definitions than the best English dictionary currently available in Logos (Collins 8th ed.).
Perhaps I should rather think of it as an encyclopedia. That centaur definition is longer than the one in the Columbia Encyclopedia:
centaur (sĕnʹtôr), in Greek mythology, creature, half man and half horse. The centaurs were fathered by IXION or by Centaurus, who was Ixion’s son. Followers of Dionysus, they were uncouth and savage, but some, such as CHIRON, became friends and teachers of men. Their half-brothers, the Lapiths, engaged them in a battle that was described by Ovid, depicted on the Parthenon, and sculpted by Michelangelo. Paul Lagass and Columbia University, The Columbia Encyclopedia, 6th ed. (New York; Detroit: Columbia University Press; Sold and distributed by Gale Group, 2000).
Paul Lagass and Columbia University, The Columbia Encyclopedia, 6th ed. (New York; Detroit: Columbia University Press; Sold and distributed by Gale Group, 2000).
It's preordered. (Whether I can afford it/justify it or not when it comes available is another story.)
Wow, with your initial skepticism, I didn't think you'd be that easy to convince! Can I interest you in the Lion History Series? What else do you have that's better than it in your opinion, and I'll get to work disabusing you of that illusion. [;)]
I didn't think you'd be that easy to convince!
Convincing me to pre-order is fairly easy, especially when I kind of want it already. The real decision is when the bill comes due. Plus those were good reasons.
Can I interest you in the Lion History Series?
Already on my list.
I was just looking for something with an illustration and this is what came up!
P.S. I hope the image scans in Logos are better than this. This looks like the scan was optimized for text readability at the cost of the detail in the picture.
BTW, I'm still envious of those who got the Columbia Encyclopedia while it was available. I've tried to find it on the after-market, but to no avail. [:(] Maybe I just have to wait until someone is having an estate sale for someone who had this in their Logos library.
