Will Logos be producing a 2025 version of the ESV?
https://www.esv.org/about/2025-updates/
I have moved this to our forum dedicated to books and resources. If you have not done so already, this would be a great product suggestion in our book requests forum.
Not sure I'd want to pay full price for such minor changes, but those I read seemed a more natural reading - style wise at least.
No way I’m replacing my “Permanent Text” edition 😐️
Seems liike a ridiculously small alteration to justify a new edition.
I can't imagine Logos not incorporating the updated version changes. They have done this before if I remember correctly.
it is a measly update for sure. I went through my current copy and noted the 30-something changes.
I'd favor Logos producing the new version. One update in 9 years isn't bad even if it costs $10 or so. No one need buy it, but I'd like to have it to keep up with what is in print.
I prefer this to a stealth update, which is what we've gotten in the past, but the described updates aren't worth $10.
This is making me feel more confident in my drift over the last few years away from using the ESV as my default version. The text should stay fixed; minor stealth revisions cause confusion when people are trying to follow along with a previous edition.
The text should stay fixed; minor stealth revisions cause confusion when people are trying to follow along with a previous edition.
Is this really your experience? In small groups, I'm not used to expecting everyone has the same version and for a lectio divina start for meetings, I count of people using differing translations.
Yes, specifically in larger groups, when the verse are being projected on a screen and speaker is reading aloud from a different edition. The audience is left wondering whether the speaker is deliberately modifying the text. It's not a huge problem but an unnecessary distraction.
Ironically the most profound changes (in Genesis) revert back to the 2011 edition.
Genesis 3:16 ?
I think they are giving in to political pressure on that. I am assuming that in 2016 they were in agreement that the change was correct, but there was a lot of negative feedback.
@John Personally I prefer the fact that the 2011 and 2025 versions of those verses in Genesis are less interpretative and are simply a translation.
For this type of situation, I completely agree; a stealth edit would be disruptive. This, in my opinion, is a no-brainer and should be taken care of by the person preaching/leading the Bible study, even if there is a guest speaker. I know the Bible I read primarily from is the ESV 2011 text (but we don't have a projection screen or anything at my church). However, I think the point that @MJ. Smith is making is the rest of the congregation or members of the Bible study may not have the same translation of the Bible that the pastor/leader has.
I’d prefer an update with a flag/footnote where the changes occur
Logos —- Do we have a timeline for the 2025 text rollout?
Timeline, no. But we are planning to update it.
@Rick Mansfield (Logos) I guess sales for Anglicised translations are less popular. I haven't committed to the current ESV Anglicised version in pre-pub as it's a 2015 edition, but I would back a 2025 Anglicised edition.
Thank you
@Rick Mansfield (Logos) @Mitch Snyder (Faithlife) The ESV 2015 Anglicised version hasn't gained much traction.
https://www.logos.com/product/295855/english-standard-version-anglicised?
Could Logos consider the 2025 Anglicised version instead? That would make a pre-pub order much more attractive.
Is there any update on this request for the updated ESV?
Yes; see updates on this thread:
Thank you so much @Bradley Grainger (Logos)
I have some changes in my ESV ( version "LLS:1.0.710 2026-02-09T14:36:29Z") which also shows citation as "The Holy Bible: English Standard Version. Wheaton, IL: Crossway Bibles, 2025." But these changes are not in the ESV list from Crossway! From Leviticus 23:Le 23:1 (ESV) Yehovah spoke to Moses, saying,
Le 23:9 (ESV) And the Yehovah spoke to Moses, saying,
Main thing is whether other undocumented changes are anywhere in the text.
Someone made a mistake, it seems! @Rick Mansfield (Logos)
Good catch! As Bernhard pointed out this is a bug. Translating the tetragrammaton as "Yehovah" (and only in those two places) is a) not very ESV-like and b) not what the presumably official version uses: https://www.esv.org/Leviticus%2B23/
I just contacted Crossway about this, and they confirmed that Yehovah in Lev. 23 is an error from within Logos. Interesting random anomaly. @Rick Mansfield (Logos)
We discovered this morning that some unauthorized changes were made in the Logos version of the ESV text as part of the 2025 update (including the two instances of "Yehovah" in Leviticus 23 mentioned above).
This is a significant problem that we are taking very seriously, and we apologize for the lapse in quality control that permitted errors in the ESV Bible to be published.
We are correcting these errors ASAP. Due to the need to update and verify the ESV reverse interlinear alignments it may take another day for the corrections to be published, but fixing this is our top priority.
Fascinating!
Fascinating is not the word I would use! But it’s a nice, tactful word, so it can work too.
Thanks for the quick update @Bradley Grainger (Logos)
Thanks @Bradley Grainger (Logos) for acknowledging the gravity of this issue and for the work being put into rectify it. I am grateful that the 2025 update didn't cost me anything (although obviously work went in to making it available in Logos) and that this error was noticed—and is being addressed—so quickly. For now I'll enjoy my Limited Edition "Yehovah" collector's release 😀
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