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How much does this amazingly awesome app cost?

  • The Logos Bible Software app is available for free at the App Store.

Do I have to be a Logos customer to use the iPhone app?

  • No. Our application is free for anyone to use and can be downloaded from the App Store.

Will the Logos Bible Software app run on my iPod Touch?

  • Yes. The app will run on any device running iPhone OS 3.0 or later.

Do I need to be connected to internet for the app to work?

  • Yes and no. You will need to be connected to the internet via your cell phone service provider or Wi-Fi to access all the features and resources of the app.  With the release of version 1.2 we offer limited offline reading support. To learn how to make a title available for offline reading, please watch the tutorial video.

I'm a Logos 4 customer. Will I be able to see all my books in the Logos Bible Software app?

  • On the day we launched the Logos Bible Software iPhone App we had nearly 3,000 titles for the iPhone. Since the launch, that number has grown to over 4,000 titles. We currently have about 10,000 titles available for Logos 4 which will be released for the iPhone as we secure rights and convert titles. To find out what titles are currently available, read this forum post.

How do I share a verse on Twitter or Facebook?

  • When reading a Bible, simply swipe up and tap "Share."

How can I "bookmark" something I'm reading?

  • When reading, simply swipe up and tap "Add to Favorites." To view your favorites, tap "More" from the bottom navigation and then tap "Favorites."

Is there a list of all the titles that are iPhone compatible?

  • We currently have a text list of compatible titles. In addition to that, you can use the search bar on Logos.com to search for a specific title. If a title is iPhone enabled, an iPhone badge will display on the page.

    Can I read my books offline?

    • With the release of version 1.2 we now offer limited offline reading support. To learn how to make a title available for offline reading, please watch the tutorial video. To download your resources to your device requires an internet connection via your wireless carrier or WiFi. This feature is only available to customers with a Logos 4 base package.

    I'm a Logos 4 customer and I'm looking for (insert book title), but cannot access it from the iPhone app. Why not?   

    • We have either 1) not secured rights from the publisher to release the title to the iPhone app or 2) have not converted the title to be iPhone compatible. With over 10,000 titles in our system, both steps of the process take some time. 

    How do I delete a reading plan?

    • On the home page, swipe your finger across the reading plan you want to delete. Press the Delete button.

    What is the product roadmap?

    • Resource display enhancements
    • Notes
    • Highlighting
    • Search enhancements
    • Other cool stuff I can't tell you about

    When I touch and hold on a word, I get the wrong information. What's up?

    • If you have the book downloaded for offline use, remove the book (flip the switch to Off) and download it again. The downloaded book is out of sync with the server's reverse interlinear data.

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      Do I need to be connected to internet for the app to work?

      • Yes. The Logos Bible Software app does not store any Bibles or books on your device. You will need to be connected to the internet via your cell phone service provider or Wi-Fi. 

      So it won't work on an iPod touch outside of a hotspot?

      Jacob Hantla
      Pastor/Elder, Grace Bible Church
      gbcaz.org

      Correct. But did we mention it's free? :-)

      why not charge for it and let us have access to your library and read the books offline.

      Correct. But did we mention it's free? :-)

      What's the likely hood of downloadable books in the future if the Iphone app becomes insanely popular?

      another thread says they are looking at offline, but its not so simple, it involves the publishers rights and permissions etc...

      Never Deprive Anyone of Hope.. It Might Be ALL They Have

      this is so stupid i can hardly believe it, it dosent work on ipod unless you are online, but when you read all the news on it, it sounds like it does, if one can get on line then use the computor. I never dreamed in a million years there would be not even a book , a bible to download and use. I just purchased a ipod 64gig to download and find out i am back to my palm and my old bible software. what a sap to think logos would have figured out a way to download a bible from my silver collection so i could read it. But i think someday ages or some other software will begin to find a way to do it, i dont think logos will ever because they are running with this new software, which is very good for the computor but no good what so ever for handhelds and they wil busy with that not worrying about hand helds. But i do wonder about the "free books" you get for signing up someone said you could download them to bookshelf and use them. i never did get them because i was signed up already and someone said well you have them already in logos, so another scam, if  i had them then it isnt a free set that i just got....wow...who to believe these days...i have to go , my palm is charged and i have to read my nelson sofware in it .

      I just purchased a ipod 64gig to download and find out i am back to my palm and my old bible software. what a sap to think logos would have figured out a way to download a bible from my silver collection so i could read it.

      You are right that this is a big disappointment. But until they do get it going, there are plenty of alternatives that do allow you to download and read bibles offline so search the app store for Bible and you will get a least half a dozen that are free and have some good content. Also the free ones allow you to add on books for a fee.

      But i do wonder about the "free books" you get for signing up someone said you could download them to bookshelf and use them. i never did get them because i was signed up already and someone said well you have them already in logos, so another scam, if  i had them then it isnt a free set that i just got....wow...who to believe these days...i have to go , my palm is charged and i have to read my nelson sofware in it .

      While you cannot "download them to the bookshelf" they are viewable when you have an Internet connection. Are you saying that when you are online, you cannot view any books? If so, it could be because you have not registered, have not properly logged in, or you do not have Logos 4.0 upgrade or crossgrade which costs a minimum of $69.95. The iPhone app is an extension of this new program.

      Dr. Kevin Purcell, Director of Missions
      Brushy Mountain Baptist Association

      www.kevinpurcell.org

      Bob,

      I bought the Logos 4 Scholars Library Upgrade to use GNT works on iphone and iPad.  Unfortunately, the UBS publications have never materialized.  I m referring to NA27 versions.  Lexham is there but virtually unusable based up format issues. What is the problem with these? 

      Thank You,

      Bryan Field

      Bryan,

      Try The Swanson New Testament Greek Morphology (UBS 4th Edition), which is the same text as the UBS4.  

      David,

       

      Yes, but having paid hundreds of dollars for the UBS versions in the Scholar's Library, I am reluctant to shell out more.  To some degree it is an academic question.  I have since purchased Olive Tree and now have access to a quite readable GNT, BHS and LXX  with english meaning and morphology simply by touching the word on IPad or Iphone.  

      There are some features in which Logos is superior, for that reason, I wanted access to the works in the library in Ipad. If I had realized that these items were not available, I would have not purchased Logos 4 Upgrade. Oddly, Olive Tree have been able to secure the licensing.  

      Bryan

      If I had realized that these items were not available, I would have not purchased Logos 4 Upgrade. Oddly, Olive Tree have been able to secure the licensing

      I am not acting on as a Logos apologist on this, but they came into the mobile app department late in the game where as Olive Tree has many years of experience in dealing with this type of licensing.  Plus where is the profit margin for Logos, Bob may be a Christian, and the company may be populated by believers, but they are a "for profit" company. While, some of us upgraded to Logos 4 because of the iPhone app, I suspect we are in the minority, so there is not really a reason to pull out all the stops and re-negotiate all of their contracts.

      Just my thoughts on the matter...

       

       

      One of the reasons Logos sometimes struggle to get licensing agreements that other people have already secured is that Logos are committed to 'pay once, use on many devices'. If the publishers won't agree to that clause, then Logos won't make the resource available on the iPhone. (That's the situation with the NIV, for example.)

      This is my personal Faithlife account. On 1 March 2022, I started working for Faithlife, and have a new 'official' user account. Posts on this account shouldn't be taken as official Faithlife views!

      One of the reasons Logos sometimes struggle to get licensing agreements that other people have already secured is that Logos are committed to 'pay once, use on many devices'. If the publishers won't agree to that clause, then Logos won't make the resource available on the iPhone. (That's the situation with the NIV, for example.)

      So, NIV is stopped because of the type of licensing that Logos does? I must have missed that post, I thought Logos had been silent on the subject, can you point me to that post?

       

       

      So, NIV is stopped because of the type of licensing that Logos does?

      I'm reading between the lines here. I could be wrong, but I can see no other reason.

      1. We know that the NIV is not currently available on the iPhone solely because of licensing issues.
      2. We know that it's not difficult to licence the NIV if you're a developer willing to pay the fee.

      It's theoretically possible that territory issues could be behind the problem, but all the other iPhone developers have solved this. I'm sure if that was the issue, Logos would have solved it too. Therefore the only issue that I can imagine is Logos' buy once use anywhere policy.

      This is my personal Faithlife account. On 1 March 2022, I started working for Faithlife, and have a new 'official' user account. Posts on this account shouldn't be taken as official Faithlife views!

      When you buy a book or Bible for other mobile apps, you pay for it. If you want to pay for it again on the Logos iPhone app, I'm sure we can secure licenses more quickly. What's more time consuming is coming to terms that allow us to let you view the book you paid for years ago on the desktop on the iPhone, without generating a new revenue event for the publisher.

      Bob, 

      That may be the solution to this issue.  Through the years, I have purchased certain editions over and over again.  It does get tiresome.  However, I need the BHS, LXX and UBS editions for Logos on the ipad or iphone to be useable at all for me.

      I had turned to Olive Tree to obtain that functionality and I had to pay for those books to use it.   If I had the option to add ipad/iphone editions for certain works which were giving you trouble over licensing, I might well do that.

      Bryan Field

      I for one do not want to pay again.  It is one thing to pay for something in Olivetree and then pay a second time in Logos (back when I had a Palm I started using Olivetree).  Not that I like it then (when I paid a second time in Olivetree), it was like I had to buy all new books when I bought new bookshelves.  But to have to pay twice when using the same program is really unthinkable.   

      Unfortunately, the UBS publications have never materialized.

      Nope. And unless, UBS decides to be more open with their licensing, it won't happen.

      Actually yes you can download books onto your device and use it off -line... :)

      Is there a wIki or other source that guides the user? I've yet to find the passage guide in the latest update for Ipad.

      Thanks

      Hi Jason,

      Is there a wIki or other source that guides the user? I've yet to find the passage guide in the latest update for Ipad.

      Have you viewed any of the videos on the Logos Support page? There seems to be several on Passage Guide.

      QLinks, Bibl2, LLR, Macros
      Dell Insp 17-5748, i5, 1.7 GHz, 8G RAM, win 8.1

      Is there a wIki or other source that guides the user?

      Not really. Feel free to create a new thread if you have questions. THIS video will show you basic navigation.

      macOS, iOS & iPadOS |Logs| Install
      Choose Truth Over Tribe | Become a Joyful Outsider!

      Since this is just a "face", can you make it a web application available to any phone with a web browser?  I agree with this decision as storing the books isn't a necessity for me.  I would like to see this available for all other phones that have web browsers.

      Exactly!  If this is primarily a web app - it probably isn't too hard to port over to other platforms.  The Palm PRE??  I've been hoping Logos would go portable for a long while now....!  But am committed to open standards so went the way of WebOS instead of iPhone.  Only a small percentage of market share, but growing rapidly AND has multiple carriers, instead of only AT&T.    So...  awesome job on the new app and Logos 4.  But I'll have to wait to take advantage of it until a Pre app comes out (or a web-app address that is mobile accessible).

      grace,

      chris

      Okay, I am still a Logos 3 user, (have to secure funds for the upgrade) I have signed in on the iPhone app, will I be able to look at the books in my library, or will I have to wait until I upgrade?

      I would like the iTouch to be able to read a Bible offline.  I would also like it to beable to take notes offline that sync back to my computer once I come on line.  It would be nice to also have some limited function on a basic commentary, dictionary and Greek/Hebrew helps.  Very much like I can now do wit Olivetree program on my Palm.  Or to be able to select what I take with me off line based on the amount of memory I have (like I may sync all my notes to my iTouch).  Think Docs to Go for a Bible program.  Docs to Go does not have all the funtionability of Office, but you get what you need on the road and it is in sync with what you have in the office and if you make a change it updates what is in the office.

      Okay, I am still a Logos 3 user, (have to secure funds for the upgrade) I have signed in on the iPhone app, will I be able to look at the books in my library, or will I have to wait until I upgrade?

      Logos 4 users will have access to a number of the resources in their library. If you are not a Logos 4 user, but log in to the app using a logos.com account (register here if you don't have one) then, in addition to the 31 Bibles we offer, you will have access to:

      1. Morning and Evening
      2. Necessity of Prayer
      3. Pilgrim's Progress
      4. Power Through Prayer
      5. Selected Sermons of George Whitefield
      6. Sermons on Several Occassions
      7. St. Paul the Traveller and Roman Citizen
      8. Treasury of Scripture Knowledge
      9. Commentary Critical & Explanatory on Whole Bible (JFB)
      10. Diving For Pearls in God's Treasure Chest
      11. Easton's Bible Dictionary
      12. Imitation of Christ
      13. In His Steps
      14. Training of the Twelve
      15. Why Four Gospels?
      16. Systematic Theology (Strong)
      17. New Nave's Topical Bible
      18. Strong’s Concise Dictionary of the Words of the Hebrew Bible and the Greek Testament
      19. An Introduction to Ecclesiastical Latin
      20. Dictionary of the Vulgate New Testament
      21. Holbein’s Bible Woodcuts
      22. The Summarized Bible: Complete Summary of the Old Testament
      23. The Summarized Bible: Complete Summary of the New Testament
      24. Traveling in the Holy Land through the Stereoscope
      25. The New Testament in Greek (Westcott and Hort)
      26. KJV Cambridge Paragraph English-Greek Reverse Interlinear
      27. KJV Cambridge Paragraph English-Hebrew Reverse Interlinear
      28. Glossary of Morpho-Syntactic Database Terminology
      29. Lexham English Bible / New Testament
      30. LEB English-Greek Reverse Interlinear
      31. LEB English-Hebrew Reverse Interlinear

      Thank you so much for your informative answer, I know you guys are very busy. I seem to have most of what you listed above, minus the following items: #'s 8,18, 20-24, 26, 27, and 29-31. These will probably show up when licensing is obtained. Again, thank you all for your awesome effort and gift to the iPhone community!!!

      How do you get the iPhone app to sync with changes that take place on the regular Logos 4? Do any changes that occur in a person's particular regular Logos 4 automatically become saved and that information is sent to the iPhone over the internet?

      I also don't have 26, 27 and 30,31.

      The Touch Bible ap. has a good selection of basics for free or for as little as .99c  a download- and they can all be read offline, even the free books/bibles! You could try while you're waiting for Logos to get up and running.

       

      I am a Logos 4 user and like it so far. My question is why dosn't all the 31 free books show up on my iPhone?

      Such as LEB English-Greek Reverse Interlinear

      I do not have access to all of my library.  I am looking for My Utmost for His Highest, but cannot access it at all from my Logos iPhone software.  I have Logos 4 Scholar's Edition.

      15" Macbook Pro Unibody (Early 2016) 2.7 GHZ Quad Core, OSX Mojave, 16 GB LPDDR3 RAM, 512 GB SD

      I do not have access to all of my library.  I am looking for My Utmost for His Highest, but cannot access it at all from my Logos iPhone software.  I have Logos 4 Scholar's Edition.

      Read the FAQ (last question). [:)]

      This is my personal Faithlife account. On 1 March 2022, I started working for Faithlife, and have a new 'official' user account. Posts on this account shouldn't be taken as official Faithlife views!

      John -

      You can download the engine for free and start using V4 with your current library. No waiting for fundes needed.

      Jerry

       

      Macbook Air (2024), Apple M2, 16gb Ram, Mac Sequoia, 1TB storage

      You just do do a search for the iPhone app in the iTunes store. FYI you need to be running Logos 4 to get most of the books.

      John -

      You can download the engine for free and start using V4 with your current library. No waiting for fundes needed.

      Jerry

       

      Okay, so you are saying that I only have to watch videos to find out where to download the V4 engine for my library?

      John -

      You can download the engine for free and start using V4 with your current library. No waiting for fundes needed.

      Jerry

       

      Could someone please tell me where I can go to download the free Logos V4 engine?

      Logos 4 / iPhone integration is a feature of Logos 4 base packages. Downloading the Logos 4 engine isn't enough to enable your Logos 4 books to work on the iPhone. You need to purchase a base package, or crossgrade or upgrade to a base package. (The "Minimal Crossgrade" is enough, and is $69.95.)

      If you just want the 31 free books, create a Logos.com account and sign into it via the iPhone.

      To John Livesay: Hi, you can download from here http://downloads.logos.com/LBS4/LDLS4Installer/Logos4Setup.exe

      I hope it works for you.

      Vaclav Janca


      This is an additional point regarding the need for use offline. When I am at church, as good time to get to use the iPhone, I switch it to Airplane Mode so I do not get any ringing or signals sent through. Even if the phone just vibrates during a nice small group prayer it is quite noticeable. Airplane Mode avoids all of that. But then it also makes Logos stop working.

      I understand licensing concerns, though I would hope the agents of these concerns might understand that when I am out and about I do not take my desktop with me. I am not at home using the version there. So the bottom line is that I am the one reading the resource, whether at home or out, I think I should have access to it.

      Anyway, it is a great start and I like the effort so far so keep up the wonderful work of making the Word of God more accessible. Thanks

       

      use an app called my profiles on your iphone.  it allows you to set all kinds of preferences and assign them to different profiles; such as church.  I have one for chess tournaments that turns off all sounds and all vibrations but still leaves reception on.  You can even set it so that when you go to a certain location, i.e. church the gps recognizes it and changes to a certain profile.

      use an app called my profiles on your iphone.  it allows you to set all kinds of preferences and assign them to different profiles; such as church.  I have one for chess tournaments that turns off all sounds and all vibrations but still leaves reception on.  You can even set it so that when you go to a certain location, i.e. church the gps recognizes it and changes to a certain profile.

      That is only availabe if you have jailbroken your iphone.

      Dr. Kevin Purcell, Director of Missions
      Brushy Mountain Baptist Association

      www.kevinpurcell.org

      Does Anybody know which bible they are showing on the Logos iPhone
      website hat lets you tap-and-hold on a word and then it shows you the
      underlying Greek or Hebrew word with it's parsing and morphology????
      also, is there anyway to access a Hebrew Old Testament texts (the BHS
      would be nice)??

      The BHS is available if you have purchased it, and does popup with the morphology and parsing. The Greek texts available (of which there are many) don't include the UBS4 or NA27 though.

      This is my personal Faithlife account. On 1 March 2022, I started working for Faithlife, and have a new 'official' user account. Posts on this account shouldn't be taken as official Faithlife views!

      If you have purchased a Logos 4 package then you will get this functionality in any Bible that has a reverse interlinear. Currently the only free reverse interlinear is for the Lexham English Bible.

      How do I get my personal reading plan on my iPhone Logos app? All I see is a sort-of-generic one.

      I realize that I am in the last month of a read-through-the-year plan, but it would still be nice to be able to access it on my iPhone.'

      How do I get my personal reading plan on my iPhone Logos app? All I see is a sort-of-generic one.

      I realize that I am in the last month of a read-through-the-year plan, but it would still be nice to be able to access it on my iPhone.'

      If you own Logos4, create a reading plan within Logos4. This will automatically sync to the server and then be downloaded when your iPhone/iPod Touch Logos app launches.  

       

      In short, you must have Logos4 to do this. If you do own Logos 4 and can't figure it out, let us know more about your particular problem

      Jacob Hantla
      Pastor/Elder, Grace Bible Church
      gbcaz.org

      I had Logos 3.  I upgraded to Logos 4 on Dec. 23.  I installed the iphone app.  I then created a few reading plans.  But no matter what I do I cannot see my reading plans on my iphone.  I called Logos support and he logged in as me on his iphone and did not see my reading plans either.  Is this a bug?  I would REALLY like to be able to make progress on my daily reading while out and about.  Does anyone have any clue what might be the problem?

      I had Logos 3.  I upgraded to Logos 4 on Dec. 23.  I installed the iphone app.  I then created a few reading plans.  But no matter what I do I cannot see my reading plans on my iphone.  I called Logos support and he logged in as me on his iphone and did not see my reading plans either.  Is this a bug?  I would REALLY like to be able to make progress on my daily reading while out and about.  Does anyone have any clue what might be the problem?

      Is your Logos4 set to online mode? You get there via Tools | Program Settings | Use Internet. 

      I just want to verify that your reading plans on your computer are syncing to the Logos server. 

      Jacob Hantla
      Pastor/Elder, Grace Bible Church
      gbcaz.org

      I've updated the FAQs at the beginning of the thread. Additions and updates include:

      Do I need to be connected to internet for the app to work?


      Yes and no. You will need to be connected to the internet via your
      cell phone service provider or Wi-Fi to access all the features and
      resources of the app.  With the release of version 1.2 we offer limited
      offline reading support. To learn how to make a title available for
      offline reading, please watch the tutorial video.


      Is there a list of all the titles that are iPhone compatible?

      • We are working on a way to display iPhone compatible titles on Logos.com product pages. Until then, we have a text list of compatible titles as of 12/17/09.

      Can I read my books offline?

      • With the release of version 1.2 we now offer limited offline
        reading support. To learn how to make a title available for offline
        reading, please watch the tutorial video.
        To download your resources to your device requires an internet
        connection via your wireless carrier or WiFi. This feature is only
        available to customers with a Logos 4 base package.

      I'm a Logos 4 customer and I'm looking for (insert book title), but cannot access it from the iPhone app. Why not?   

      • We have either 1) not secured rights from the publisher to release
        the title to the iPhone app or 2) have not converted the title to be
        iPhone compatible. With over 10,000 titles in our system, both steps of
        the process take some time.

      Quick question from a LONG-time logos/libronix user...

      I have the motorola droid...will logos ever be available to me/my phone the same way as it is to the iphone?

      thanks a ton & God bless

      chris bruynzeel

      chris@evfree.net

      I have the motorola droid...will logos ever be available to me/my phone the same way as it is to the iphone?

      Possibly.  Sorry I can't be more specific.

      The iphone app was developed in response to market share.  From that point, Bob has stated that they intend to flesh out the web based version at http://library.logos.comso that it will work on virtually any web enabled device (including droid).  After that is "complete" they will investigate other platforms including Blackberry, and no doubt droid if it continues to gain marketshare.

      Hmm Sarcasm is my love language. Obviously I love you. 

      Can somebody help me!! I've just bougth and ipod touch and downloaded the free logos app, aparently everything went all right, but after instaling the app i couldn't load any book, a message like this appear on my screen "Error loading book, Logos could not load the specified book." I dont understand what is happening since i have a good wifi service!! i canot use the app at all!!! I've tried unistalling it and reinstaling but it didnt work. If anyone has a suggestion i will be very thankful!!!

      Thanks,

      Moises  

      I get that error when I am not connected to the internet. 

      Do you have a wi fi connection that you can get on?

       

       

      Are there any plans to allow footnotes to be downloaded offline for the iPad app? I was reading my New Systematic Theology by Reymond on the train this morning and was a little bummed while my verse references worked great, my footnotes within the text were unavailable.

      Will having logos 4 or five affect the app at all. Basically i want to know if the app follows suits with the program , logos 5, because  I mostly use logos on my devices now and if the app is free and universal for all logos programs  it ALMOST nullifies the point to upgrade from 4 to 5 ... For me at least. But I love logos and ill about supporting the company, I just wanted someone to clarify this if they could.

      Hi Nathan

      The current app works fine against both L4 and L5

      Graham

      Nathan – I concur with Graham, but will add that you should expect that future features may support L5 only… I don't have any insider info on this, but as Logos adds features to L5, those features may not be compatible with L4. [;)]

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      Choose Truth Over Tribe | Become a Joyful Outsider!

      I've been successfully running the Logos Bible Software app on a 2nd gen iPod touch device until that last couple of weeks when I updated by app.  Where can I get the previous versions of the app?  I've deleted the app off my computer and iPod because the app was crashing (repeatedly "error loading book" popup) and now I can't seem to find the older version on my computer or the web.

      Correction:  "when I updated my app."  I can't edit my post.

      To clarify: When I try to edit it, I get this: 

      Sorry, there was a problem with your last request!

      Either the site is offline or an unhandled error occurred. We apologize and have logged the error. Please try your request again or if you know who your site administrator is let them know too.

      And no, I'm not going out and buying another Apple device:  http://app.tech.pentontech.com/e/er?s=1481&lid=34913&elq=3265481022fa4c01a2244286e4d578b0

      Where can I get the previous versions of the app?

      That's a difficult question. The way that iOS apps are supposed to work, is that you download (and update) them from the App Store. It is possible that you have an older version of the app on one of your computers… if you haven't updated it in iTunes...

      I believe the "error loading book" issue issue was fixed in a later build. Do you know which version you deleted? Depending upon when you deleted it, the App Store may have a more up-to-date version. I do know that there is a version in beta which will soon be submitted to Apple (if it hasn't been already). 

      Can you use the Vyrso app? Did you try reinstalling the app, or did you just delete it?

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      Thanks, alabama.  I'm finding the older apps in previous versions of the "Mobile Applications" directory in the iTunes directory.  I won't go into technical detail on how to replace a newer app with an older one using this method unless someone wants to know.  It's too bad Logos is no longer supporting 2nd gen devices.