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Bob Pritchett said:
When you buy a book or Bible for other mobile apps, you pay for it. If you want to pay for it again on the Logos iPhone app, I'm sure we can secure licenses more quickly. What's more time consuming is coming to terms that allow us to let you view the book you paid for years ago on the desktop on the iPhone, without generating a new revenue event for the publisher.
Thanks for the confirmation. I too would be happy to pay for the NIV, but I'd rather you held out for a fair deal. I have purchased at least six licences to the NIV over the years for different applications, and see no reason to put more money in Zondervan's pocket. Allowing licensing per user and not just per application is the only fair approach and one that I'm happy for you to take a stand on.
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Bob,
That may be the solution to this issue. Through the years, I have purchased certain editions over and over again. It does get tiresome. However, I need the BHS, LXX and UBS editions for Logos on the ipad or iphone to be useable at all for me.
I had turned to Olive Tree to obtain that functionality and I had to pay for those books to use it. If I had the option to add ipad/iphone editions for certain works which were giving you trouble over licensing, I might well do that.
Bryan Field
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I for one do not want to pay again. It is one thing to pay for something in Olivetree and then pay a second time in Logos (back when I had a Palm I started using Olivetree). Not that I like it then (when I paid a second time in Olivetree), it was like I had to buy all new books when I bought new bookshelves. But to have to pay twice when using the same program is really unthinkable.
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Richard,
I understand you feeling, I think I have paid for original language texts over and over in various format's for the last 20-30 years. If I added up the cost, it is probably approaching $2,000 at this point. I just bought the Ipad (Approx $600) to use for Bible Applications.
When I bought Logos 4 I saw that UBS was not available, but Lexham products were available. I figured I would make do. What I found was that the Lexham products are not functional on Iphone or iPad, in that they appear with all information jumbled together.
So my reasoning was flawed due to non-disclosure. In reality, neither Lexham or UBS products were ready for prime time in iPhone/iPad. For my purposes, I wasted my money on the upgrade.
At this point , Olive Tree works quite well on IPad and IPhone, one of the best interfaces just to read the original texts. I want Logos 4 to gain access to additional lexicon's and language references included in the Scholar's Library. This remain's my only objective.
So then, I am interested in obtaining a Logos 4 Ipad interface that provides controls for Lexham to make it functional or an functional version of UBS products for Ipad.( preferably without additional charge).
In reality, I have a philosophical issue with publisher's like UBS wanting to make a profit over and over again on the same text to the same person. I am saddened by this approach. But admire Logos current stance to fight for us and try to obtain licensing without additional charge.
Bryan Field
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exactly where I am
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I am also of the opinion that a user should only pay a publisher *once* and be able to access the ebook on whatever devise the person uses.
After all the publisher is already getting extra sales from ebooks compared to a paper book. With a paper book, I can buy one and my friend can buy another and then we can trade. One paper book means more than one reader (potentially) with no extra money to the publisher. With ebooks, publishers already get extra sales since sharing, trading, and loaning is not an option. So it makes no sense at all (except for greed) for publishers to ask for an additional payment for 1 user to access the same ebook on multiple devises.
So I hope Logos continues to encourage publishers to license their products for multiple devises. And I hope Logos will *prominently* indicate if a book is or is not available for all devises that Logos runs on. If publishers know that their books will be clearly marked as being limited to only 1 Logos devise, that may encourage them to loosen up or risk loosing some sales.
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Oh, on reflection, I think a modest extra fee might be a thing. After all Logos has a bit of extra work to convert the files and a bit more cost in terms of bandwidth when we download and a modest additional fee might help publishers more quickly warm up to the idea of ebooks being accessible on multiple devises by the same user. I am thinking that a 10% additional payment would be OK by me. However, I would like that 10% additional to be based on what I paid per book in the various package discounts. If the 10% were calculated on list prices of the books, it could end up costing more like 50% to 75% or more.
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I have paid for the NIV text many times over:
- Every printed Bible or other work its in
- Pradis
- Logos3/4
I really would not want to pay yet again to read it via Logos for iThing (iPhone/iPod).
If its a physical book, I can loan it, give it away, swap it, sell it etc. I already dont like to pay as much for an ebook as for one I can loan/swap/sell/keep. Paying multiple times to the same company for different devices is not something I want to do, and if possible, wont!
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Are there any plans to allow footnotes to be downloaded offline for the iPad app? I was reading my New Systematic Theology by Reymond on the train this morning and was a little bummed while my verse references worked great, my footnotes within the text were unavailable.
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Having just ordered an iPhone, mainly so that I can use the Logos app. Im very dissapointed to read here that when it arrives I wont be able to use the NIV with this app. But having paid more than once for the NIV on Logos already (Being in Australia, I also purchased a UK English version) I can appreciate the stance Bob Pritchett is taking. Hopefully Logos can negotiate a speedy resolution to this problem. One of the reasons I purchased Logos 4 was in expectation of also using it on iphone. So while Logos may not (I'm speculating here) give priority to resolving this problem as it is for a free platform, I bought Logos 4 for the complete package which includes the free iPhone app.
It would be interesting to hear from Zonderman on how they can justify making Christians pay again and again for the same Bible. Without any information from them, it seems to be very unjust even for a profit based organisation to force users of their book to pay to have to buy it numerous times.
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Hi Howard:
I agree that one should not need to pay for the NIV again to use it on the iPhone.
But I would not quickly assume Zondervan is the real source of the problem. Zondervan is not the copyright holder - the International Bible Society is. Several years ago, the Canadian Bible Society gave up selling a very low cost pocket version of the NIV NT because the copyright holder wanted increased income. As I recall I had originally bought the pocket NIV NT for $1.95 (regular non sale price) but when I had worn that copy out, I was not able to get a replacement for less than $6 (triple the price in just 3 or 4 years). The reason the Canadian Bible Society rep told me was that the copyright holder had jacked up the royalty considerably.
My guess is the International Bible Society justifies its relatively high royalty demands as a way to raise additional funds for translations into languages that require subsidies.
I have not taken the time to write Zondervans and the International Bible Society to confirm what the Canadian Bible Society rep told me. Also my guess that the high royalties end up funding translations is an assumption on my part.
Regards,
Brian
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How far off is highlighting and notes for the iphone and ipad?
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Bob Pritchett said:
...any post from any thread...
Bob,
thanks.
Just thanks. No, really. you have to put up with us users and I know that you probably feel like (firtual) slapping some of us and saying duh....
I appreciate the work that is going on there at LOGOS, and especially the work on teh new L4 and the iphone/ipad app.
Now for my list of wants and complaints:
- (nope, not gonna [;)] )
Prayer continues for the company and employees.
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Brad D Hodge said:
How far off is highlighting and notes for the iphone and ipad?
Brad, I just wandered over here to inquire about the same thing - even though i know the answer is "We're not going to tell ya, cuz if we guess wrong you're all going to get mad at us."
All I can say after reading most of this entire thread (wowsers) in the very first post, Ryan hints that highlighting and annotations are coming...
So my big quandry is the same. I don't want to spring for an IPAD but I really want a comfortable device for reading that does markup. This is the decision point for me to have either an Ipad or an android tablet since the Android is likely to be similar to the ipad app I imagine it will have the same function.Ryan Burns said:What is the product roadmap?Resource display enhancementsNotesHighlightingSearch enhancementsOther cool stuff I can't tell you about
As for what Brent posted above.... [y] me too.
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Thomas Black said:Brad D Hodge said:
How far off is highlighting and notes for the iphone and ipad?
Brad, I just wandered over here to inquire about the same thing - even though i know the answer is "We're not going to tell ya, cuz if we guess wrong you're all going to get mad at us."
All I can say after reading most of this entire thread (wowsers) in the very first post, Ryan hints that highlighting and annotations are coming...
So my big quandry is the same. I don't want to spring for an IPAD but I really want a comfortable device for reading that does markup. This is the decision point for me to have either an Ipad or an android tablet since the Android is likely to be similar to the ipad app I imagine it will have the same function.Ryan Burns said:What is the product roadmap?Resource display enhancementsNotesHighlightingSearch enhancementsOther cool stuff I can't tell you about
As for what Brent posted above....
me too.PLEASE WAIT!!!!!
Please be patient I expect the new iPad out before these new features are done (why not have the old pad cheaper or new pad for the same price), also you are right, new android devices are coming too, but until we have an android app we don't know for sure what it will be like. I believe the Android app will be more like the current iphone APP, they may make a version equal to the planed future iOS but until we see what it can do we should assume it is a version that is like the current iOS version.
-Dan
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Having Logos on an Android would solve a huge number of user-problems (but unfortunately not the NIV problem). Is there any plan or schedule to have linux reader and interface (in terms of years or decades) ?? This is the major buying criteria for many users and the primary reason that OliveTree makes Logos look sick in the phone/tablet world.
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Back to the NIV question: I realized just a few days back that the NIV license that I have for Laridian PocketBible on my Windows Mobile device is also valid for the iPhone. I am very happy! [:D] I wonder why this does not work for Logos. [*-)]
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Actually yes you can download books onto your device and use it off -line...
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Is there a wIki or other source that guides the user? I've yet to find the passage guide in the latest update for Ipad.
Thanks
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Hi Jason,
Jason Skipper said:Is there a wIki or other source that guides the user? I've yet to find the passage guide in the latest update for Ipad.
Have you viewed any of the videos on the Logos Support page? There seems to be several on Passage Guide.
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Jason Skipper said:
Is there a wIki or other source that guides the user?
Not really. Feel free to create a new thread if you have questions. THIS video will show you basic navigation.
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Many thanks.
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Will having logos 4 or five affect the app at all. Basically i want to know if the app follows suits with the program , logos 5, because I mostly use logos on my devices now and if the app is free and universal for all logos programs it ALMOST nullifies the point to upgrade from 4 to 5 ... For me at least. But I love logos and ill about supporting the company, I just wanted someone to clarify this if they could.
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Hi Nathan
The current app works fine against both L4 and L5
Graham
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Nathan – I concur with Graham, but will add that you should expect that future features may support L5 only… I don't have any insider info on this, but as Logos adds features to L5, those features may not be compatible with L4. [;)]
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I've been successfully running the Logos Bible Software app on a 2nd gen iPod touch device until that last couple of weeks when I updated by app. Where can I get the previous versions of the app? I've deleted the app off my computer and iPod because the app was crashing (repeatedly "error loading book" popup) and now I can't seem to find the older version on my computer or the web.
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Correction: "when I updated my app." I can't edit my post.
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To clarify: When I try to edit it, I get this:
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And no, I'm not going out and buying another Apple device: http://app.tech.pentontech.com/e/er?s=1481&lid=34913&elq=3265481022fa4c01a2244286e4d578b0
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Gopal said:
Where can I get the previous versions of the app?
That's a difficult question. The way that iOS apps are supposed to work, is that you download (and update) them from the App Store. It is possible that you have an older version of the app on one of your computers… if you haven't updated it in iTunes...
I believe the "error loading book" issue issue was fixed in a later build. Do you know which version you deleted? Depending upon when you deleted it, the App Store may have a more up-to-date version. I do know that there is a version in beta which will soon be submitted to Apple (if it hasn't been already).
Can you use the Vyrso app? Did you try reinstalling the app, or did you just delete it?
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Thanks, alabama. I'm finding the older apps in previous versions of the "Mobile Applications" directory in the iTunes directory. I won't go into technical detail on how to replace a newer app with an older one using this method unless someone wants to know. It's too bad Logos is no longer supporting 2nd gen devices.
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This is similiar to my problem.
iPod 2nd Gen, iOS 4.2.1, can't upgrade to iOS 4.3, deleted Logos, now can't install new version.
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Ron Villarreal said:
iPod 2nd Gen, iOS 4.2.1, can't upgrade to iOS 4.3, deleted Logos, now can't install new version.
Hi Ron! Welcome to the forums! Sorry you are having troubles. [:S]
The new version isn't compatible with your device. Do you have a backup in iTunes of your old app?
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Unfortunately, I don't have the backup. I've had problems with iTunes sync and my iTunes is all messed up.
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How can I delete those books if they are irrelevant to me?
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Adam Morgan said:
How can I delete those books if they are irrelevant to me?
First, welcome to the forums! [:)]
I don't know if I understand your question… but I'll try my best. Since you didn't provide any context, I assume you are referring to the free books that come with the app? If you are asking how to "delete" them from your storage space on your iOS device… no worries. Except for the bible, they aren't downloaded to your device unless you asked it to. If you have downloaded a resource by accident, you can click on the "circle 'i'" icon and press "remove" while in reading view. This icon also appears in the library to the right of each resource in the list.
If your concern is how to remove the item from the library list altogether… that is a bit more tricky. The simple answer is "you can't." First, there isn't a mechanism to "hide" resources from within the mobile app itself. If you are a desktop user of L4/L5, you could try the "hidden resources" feature… but it is possible that some of the resources visible you don't actually own licenses to… which means you won't have a way to "hide" them. Even if you do have the license and hide the resource, I am unsure if the free resources would be hidden on the mobile app. ("Hidden" resources DO sync… my doubt is just over the "free" resources… I am wondering if the "free" version would pop back up if you hid your paid copy).
Did that answer your question?
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