It is now past 60%. There seems to have been a sudden burst of enthusiasm. Come on Logos, time to put this one on the Blog.
I agree - put it on the blog.
By the way, how long has it been on the community pricing page?
According to the RSS feed it was posted February 9, 2005. Is this right?
Since King hatchet was a hammer.
Is this right?
I can not verify this myself but I would not be surprised.....since I have heard it has been there "from the beginning" and "for a while."
I believe it!
What's ironic is you know darn well that by the time it closes and goes to PrePub it will have closed at $25 Everyone should just bid the $30 and let's get on with it!
According to the RSS feed it was posted February 9, 2005.
I wonder what portion of those Pre-Pub orders came in during early 2005, and those customers and credit-cards are inactive?
According to the RSS feed it was posted February 9, 2005. I wonder what portion of those Pre-Pub orders came in during early 2005, and those customers and credit-cards are inactive?
I guess that will become important when the title gets to 100%
I wish Logos would bump it to the top of the list on the web page and push it in their blog...with just a little love (ok, actually a lot...) this can head into production.
The little dot is finally sitting on the 60% line. This is the biggest movement that I have seen in Barnes since I started watching it a very, very long time ago. If it goes for $30 (or less), this is incredible value for 10,000 pages. I would sure like to see this one get on the blog as well to see if it can be put into production.
It looks as if the $25 and $20 spots are making their move as they approach 60%
Watching the turtle race of Barnes on the forum is way too much fun. Why would we ever want to send it to production?
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Barnes has been an anchor to the Community Price page for some time now. If we remove it, the page might drift away.
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That does not matter, if they are still customers Logos will charge their current card when it ships.
Logos will charge their credit card whether they are customers or not. Only if they cancel their order will the transaction be cancelled. On the other hand, they should receive an e-mail when it moves to Pre-Pub and shortly before they are billed. This will give them time to cancel the order.
According to the RSS feed it was posted February 9, 2005. I wonder what portion of those Pre-Pub orders came in during early 2005, and those customers and credit-cards are inactive? That does not matter, if they are still customers Logos will charge their current card when it ships.
The card may be active, but the card expiration date on file has probably expired.
According to the RSS feed it was posted February 9, 2005. I wonder what portion of those Pre-Pub orders came in during early 2005, and those customers and credit-cards are inactive? That does not matter, if they are still customers Logos will charge their current card when it ships. The card may be active, but the card expiration date on file has probably expired.
When a pre-pub is about to ship, Logos sends you an email with an opportunity to update your credit card info before they attempt to charge it. Presumably if the charge doesn't go through (card has expired or is no longer active) you would not get the pre-pub. So it's always important to ensure you keep your credit card info on file up-to-date and take those reminder opportunities to double check.
Hey it's the weekend! Aren't we supoosed to push for Barnes on community pricing, so I'll have something to watch as I work. http://www.logos.com/communitypricing/details/2132
so I'll have something to watch as I work.
kind of like Astroturf growing. [:P]
When it gets to 85% then it will start getting interesting, but till then........
Lester, the odd thing is that I have read that Barnes has experienced by far the MOST participation of any pre-pub. It's not that people don't want it. It's that people are not bidding enough for Logos to cover costs. I just upped my bid the other day by $5. (not a lot, I know). Wonder what would happen if every bidder did that?
When it gets to 85% then it will start getting interesting, but till then........ Lester, the odd thing is that I have read that Barnes has experienced by far the MOST participation of any pre-pub. It's not that people don't want it. It's that people are not bidding enough for Logos to cover costs. I just upped my bid the other day by $5. (not a lot, I know). Wonder what would happen if every bidder did that?
Well, if everyone who has bid less than $30 would move their bid to $30, it would be over 90%. If everyone moved their bid to at least $35, it would be over 100%. FWIW, I'm in at $40.
When it gets to 85% then it will start getting interesting, but till then........ Lester, the odd thing is that I have read that Barnes has experienced by far the MOST participation of any pre-pub. It's not that people don't want it. It's that people are not bidding enough for Logos to cover costs. I just upped my bid the other day by $5. (not a lot, I know). Wonder what would happen if every bidder did that? Well, if everyone who has bid less than $30 would move their bid to $30, it would be over 90%. If everyone moved their bid to at least $35, it would be over 100%. FWIW, I'm in at $40.
Where do you get your numbers? I'm not challenging you, I just don't see access to those kinds of figures on the page.
BTW, I think the reason it's not moving is because it costs way more than any other community pricing product to date. Bid what it's worth to you, not what you think you can get it for. Up till now the bids people have put in have shown Logos it's not worth it financially to publish this work, since most people aren't willing to pay anywhere near what it costs to publish.
I've been in for a long time at $70.
I'm in at $90. I've used this for years at the libray and in the previous bible software I used. I really would like to get it tied in with logos instead of having to have two programs open.
I did a quick search and found that studylight. org has Barnes notes where they can be viewed online http://www.studylight.org/com/bnn/ . Maybe if you are trying to see if it is worth it this will help.
Well, if everyone who has bid less than $30 would move their bid to $30, it would be over 90%. If everyone moved their bid to at least $35, it would be over 100%. FWIW, I'm in at $40. Where do you get your numbers? I'm not challenging you, I just don't see access to those kinds of figures on the page. BTW, I think the reason it's not moving is because it costs way more than any other community pricing product to date. Bid what it's worth to you, not what you think you can get it for. Up till now the bids people have put in have shown Logos it's not worth it financially to publish this work, since most people aren't willing to pay anywhere near what it costs to publish. I've been in for a long time at $70.
Hi Richard,
No problem. It is determined based on the current percentage for the $10 level. Since any bid counts as a bid for the price you are bidding as well as a bid for every price below your bid, then the lowest price point represents bids by everyone who has bid on the resource at any price. Knowing that, you can extrapolate what price the resource could go for based on the total number of bidders.
Using Barnes for the example, we can tell that the $10 price point is currently slightly over 30% of the way to covering production costs. Since a $30 bid covers 3x the costs of a $10 bid, that would mean that if everybody who has bid at least $10 changes their bid to at least $30, the $30 level would cover over 90% of the costs...or if everybody moved to $35 or higher, then the $35 level would be at 3.5 x 30%(+) or 105%.
Hope that helps! [:)]
I agree with your comments about it costing more than any other CP product to date. It is far larger than anything else that has been offered on CP and therefore the production costs are higher. With that said though, there are enough bidders in the current pool to cover production costs at $35 or come very close to covering them at $30. The "problem" is that a number of them are still sitting on bids between $10 and $25. I'm not saying that people should bid more than their current bid if they don't think it is worth more than that, I'm just pointing out that it can be accomplished with the current number of bidders...and at a good price.
I have upped my bid twice now and am currently sitting at $60. I agree that if all the people who have bid $10 or $15 upped their bid to $30 or $40, we'd get over the top. And as well all know, once it gets over the top and there's a final deadline, there's a sudden rush of all the others who don't want to be left out, and then the price usually goes down some more. Logos says the estimated pre-pub price is $89.95, so even if it ends up going in CP for $40 it would be under half that. And I'm guessing we can get it for $30 or less.
So, low-ball bidders, up your bid!
I've had my bid at $90.00 for quite a while just to speed things up.
I,ve put mine up to $90 as well come on Barnes
I originally put in a $30.00 bid way back, and about a month ago upped it to $60.00.
Was just wondering if it is going to be worth it since some of the reviews don't look that good. I did see that spurgeon said the old testament was good along with the epistles.
Personally , Barnes is one of my favorite commentaries. Theologically very conservative yet more concise than Gill, Calvin..........
I did see that spurgeon said the old testament was good along with the epistles.
And that overall it was good for ministers and Sunday School teachers![:)]
HI logos if you are reading there has been discussion on theses notes saying there are enough people bidding just not the right amount, can you send a flyer to all account holders, or just those who have bid and ask them to raise the bid by enough to produce the resource? Also as the resource can be viewed on line for free ! can you not produce it anyway, as a lot of us have been waiting a long long time for this resource !, or can we have the personal book builder asap so that we can add resources like this ourselves, i know they would not be linked as well but we would be able to use it.
Otherwise i am hopping there will be enough extra interest in this resource over the coming months to have it produced.
Also is there a user forum specifically for requesting new resources, and discussing ways of speeding things up.
Thanks
Garry
If you want to engage in discussions about your suggestions, then the Suggestions forum is the place to do it (it's both for suggested new features or improvements to the software as well as suggested resources). But realize that the forum is not necessarily going to get the attention of the people within Logos who have the decision making responsibility. The best way to do that is email your suggestions to suggest (at) logos (dot) com. If you've managed to drum up a lot of enthusiasm about your suggestion by posting it on the forum, then include a link to that thread in your email.
Barns notes seems to have got stuck again can anyone else raise there bid or make one if you haven't yet, lets get it moving again, and logos if your listening please do a flyer on barns notes !
I believe that one of the reasons this has been sitting for so long, is that at least two other Bible software programs include this in their base packages. I have Barnes Notes in two other programs so purchasing it for Logos will be a third copy for me. I would also suspect that if it ever makes it to development, that it will eventually appear in Logos base packages at some point in time.
I have put a bid on this to have it in Logos though.
I love this thread! Now that pesky Alexander Whyte ([:P]) has moved on we can concentrate on rescuing Barnes from the sordid perils of...
...THE BOTTOM OF THE CP PAGE.
I maxed out my bid and will name my first child "Barnes".
(...no not really on the latter)
Hi Logos (if your reading ?),
Did you read the comment about other programmes includding it in there base packages ? Well doesn't that mean you should include it in yours lots of people use it and get other packages to use it other than logos? Which may be why not enough people are bidding as they have it in another program.
And logos users if we all bid we can get this large resource for only a few dollars, so lets all get bidding and save it from the bottom of the CP page !
@Paul and others, WHY? Why do you want Barnes so badly?
I'm working on a potential blog post for Barnes and want your input.
Top 5 reasons that I wouldn't add in your blog post [;)]
- I'm tired of just talking to Matthew Henry- It would be pennies on the dollar when it ships- Spurgeon gave us permission to like it [:P] - I seem to have more than enough free copies of just the NT notes on "other" Bible software- Its been so long!
...sorry that doesn't really help; Any others??
Why do you want Barnes so badly?
Maybe, because it is there? That seems to be a favorite of mountain climbers. Why do people climb mountains? Because they're there. [:D]
I like his devotional thoughts. He also has a reasonable amount of helpful application to 19th century life - and by default to ours (hey, the Bible is even older and we have not problem using it - even recognizing the authority of the author). I do find myself going to a competing product regularly to skim/read Barnes. Having Barnes available in LOGOS could stop this bad habit. [:)]
I seem to have more than enough free copies of just the NT notes on "other" Bible software
I've seen that said a few times now. That's not truly the case, is it? I'm not in front of my computer with e-sword at the moment, but I'm almost positive that the free e-sword module has both OT and NT.
I seem to have more than enough free copies of just the NT notes on "other" Bible software I've seen that said a few times now. That's not truly the case, is it? I'm not in front of my computer with e-sword at the moment, but I'm almost positive that the free e-sword module has both OT and NT.
OK, you got me. Not every Bible software but the two others I have tried give you just the NT for free. Back to "Barnes On The Move"
A VOTE FOR WHYTE (MEANS YOU CAN ALSO PUT YOUR BID DOWN) IS A VOTE FOR BARNES. [pi] [Y] [G] [Y] [I] [Y] [ip] [Y]
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It's hard to say why I enjoy Barnes so much. In Esword I have 22 commentaries. If I'm quickly trying to study something I go to Calvin, Poole and Barnes to see what they say. Barnes just has a way of saying it that makes it feel more like I'm having a conversation with a pastor instead of having a theologian tell me what they think. I have Barnes notes in the Word, Esword yet I bid 90 dollars for it because I enjoy it that much. I hope to some day by the paper edition of it too because it is a commentary I love to sit back in a comfortable chair and read. I don't know if that helps you with your post but that is why I enjoy Barnes so much.
In Christ,
Scott
And while you putting in your bid or increasing your bid for Barnes don't foget Hasting Dictionaries. http://community.logos.com/forums/t/21456.aspx .
So, how can you tell that Barnes is at 60%?
Actually looks closer to 70% now... you can see it from the graph on the community pricing page.
http://www.logos.com/communitypricing/details/2132
Yes, it has shifted again and is almost straddling to the two lines. In overall perspective, Barnes has made huge moved in the last few months compared to the many months before. It seems everyone is mainly bidding around the $30 mark, which is making it go very slow for this 10,000 page resource. If everyone would bid $40, it would more go more quickly over the top and more than likely sell for $30 or less anyhow do to the last rush crowd.
Barnes has become a bit of a landmark on the Logos website!
