ESV Study Bible

Alex Scott said:

Is the format going to make it worthwhile getting the full ESV SB rather than just the notes if you already have the ESV?

If I had to guess, I would assume that the SB will be separate from the ESV Text just like the rest of the Study Bibles. I don't think we are talking about a noteless text like the NET was at one time. I think you can consider that the SB only is a discounted price because you already have the ESV.

Dewayne Davis said:

Maybe this means that you cannot purchase the notes UNLESS you own or purchase the text?

That's how I read it. It looks like notes without text is not an option.  However, the difference between ESV + Notes and simply the Notes add-on is only about $10 at the pre-pub price.  ESV at the current regular price alone, and ESV + Notes at the pre-pub price are the same!

Alex Scott said:

Is the format going to make it worthwhile getting the full ESV SB rather than just the notes if you already have the ESV?

Hmm, but perhaps your question, Alex, is still there:  Will there be two formats, one with integrated notes, and one with notes as a separate resource?  Or will there only be one format of whatever kiind?  An  answer to that question would certainly help in making a pre-pub decision. (I'm guessing, but I expect there will be only one format, no matter which way you buy.)

Can anyone help here?

Donald S said:

Dewayne Davis said:

Maybe this means that you cannot purchase the notes UNLESS you own or purchase the text?

That's how I read it. It looks like notes without text is not an option.

That is not true. You can buy notes without the ESV text and use the notes with another Bible translation if you like. That isn't what they expect people will want to do, because the notes are designed to go along with the ESV text. I have the print version of the ESV Study Bible, and the notes make reference to words as translated in the ESV, so it would be kind of weird to use those notes alongside another translation, but nothing would preclude you from doing that.

Look at the text on the notes pre-pub description page. I think it answers all your questions:

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Please Note: The ESV Study Bible Notes includes all materials (notes, maps, charts, etc.), but does not include the Bible text itself. For the Bible text and study notes, purchase the ESV Study Bible.

There are three products:

1) ESV (BIble text only) - $39.95

2) ESV Study Bible Notes (Notes only) - $29.95 in pre-pub (price might go up later)

3) ESV Study Bible (= ESV Bible text + ESV Study Bible Notes) - $39.95 in pre-pub (price might go up later)

If you have ESV already through your base package, then all you need is #2. Getting #3 would be redundant. The way Logos does Study Bibles is the notes are a separate resource and the integration between text and notes is accomplished by the user linking them together in the same Link Set. (This leaves open the theoretical possibility of you linking the notes to a different translation if you wanted to.) I'm 99% certain that the ESV Study Bible will work the same way. They wouldn't sell the notes as a separate resource otherwise.

Edwin Bowden said:

Now, we would like the new ESV Bible Atlas.

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Rosie Perera said:

Bohuslav Wojnar said:

That would make ESV SB in Logos just perfect resource of daily use.

I'd love to have a reverse interlinear TNIV. That would make it my daily use Bible. As it is now I go back and forth between it and ESV and sometimes NRSV. Then again, using a variety of different versions has its benefits.

TNIV is good but I think it would be better to wait for the new NIV in 2011 and have that as an alternative to ESV. That's just my opinion.

Rosie Perera said:

Bohuslav Wojnar said:

TNIV is good but I think it would be better to wait for the new NIV in 2011 and have that as an alternative to ESV.

Well, my reasons for liking the TNIV better than ESV will be partially obliterated by the new NIV which will revert back to more traditional gendered language, but we won't get into that discussion here.

[:)]

SteveF said:

Rosie Perera said:

my reasons for liking the TNIV better than ESV will be partially obliterated

[As I agree with you, it would just be a "conversation"? Not a discusion?

Perhaps we will need to call this newer version the "old"  ONIV then?

Or maybe it should be called NIV Classic (as with Coke --> New Coke --> Coke Classic). And eventually the word "Classic" will be dropped, just the way Coke is just called Coke once again. Same old formula. Messing around with it didn't go over very well.

My understanding is that the TNIV improved a lot of things that were due to more recent manuscript discoveries and improvements in textual criticism methodology, etc. But it also changed the gendered language in places where really everyone (male & female) was intended to be included, such as Psalm 1 ("Blessed is the man who..."). It's not that harmful to change it to person, IMHO. But I guess there are people who treasure the old familiar wording and think there was something important about the fact that the revealed word of God used masculine words there and elsewhere. And it gets dicey when you start getting into areas of the NT which involve church leadership, because elders were all man/male in the original text. The question then becomes: is that just a grammatical artifact, a cultural relic, or a normative rule? To discuss that would generate a dispute, so we'd better not. The TNIV did not mess with pronouns where they referred to God (e.g., "God created human beings in his own image." instead of "God created man in his own image.") or a specific person who was a man (e.g., Jesus, Paul, the disciples, etc.).

I brought my new leather bound ESV to church last Sunday and made a point of showing it to a fellow member who is always harping on people for not bringing their Bibles to church. (We always have the Scripture text printed in the bulletin, so there's little incentive to bring one's Bible and most people don't.) He wanted to check it out and looked at Psalm 1 which is his test for whether he'll dismiss a Bible translation as utterly patriarchal, and he saw "man" there and closed the book.

I don't mind the masculine language all that much since I grew up with it in the KJV and old NIV, and I know perfectly well what the intent is. But I must admit after hearing the NRSV read as our Bible of choice in church for years, it does sound a bit jarring to hear "man" in some contexts in Scripture. I still wouldn't say it bothers me. But the fact that it even causes me to take notice means it's taking my mind off the more important meaning of the text and onto "issues" which shouldn't be issues. However I completely understand and appreciate the fact that for many, the "person" language causes them to stop and take notice since they are so used to it the other way, and that prevents them from getting into the fuller meaning of the text. So really this issue won't be resolved unless and until gender-neutral Bible language becomes more widely familiar to the point where it's not even noticed anymore, or else we'll just continue with two diverging communities of Bible readers. Hopefully we'll all be able to be charitable and understanding to each other, as we all have legitimate reasons for our preferences.

Awesome!  Thanks Logos.  

One question though... will this be an available resource on my iPhone as well?  How soon will that be from Sept. 15?

Donald S said:

Only 25 days to go!

I've had it on order for 14 months.

Only 6 days to go!  It's a great pre-pub price! [:D]

Got it, at the last minute??

Kenneth Palmer said:

ok... it's Sept 15....

Its Sept 16 for me...but wiling to wait just that little bit longer if it means someone else doesn't miss out.... but not too much longer.,,,

I have a 45mb download going right now, but it could be the updated help files for 4.1 for all I know.

Hint hint Logos.

Well, not a hint. PLEASE tell us what is downloading!

Jerry

Wow, the prepub price went up to $39.95 (from $29.95) and the sale price just shot up from $39.95 to $59.95

Too bad I had to cancel for other priorities.  Ah well post screenshots when it makes it guys, I'll just use my son's ESVSB when I need it.

Thomas Black said:

Wow, the prepub price went up to $39.95 (from $29.95) and the sale price just shot up from $39.95 to $59.95

Thomas, I think you're confusing the full ESV Study Bible (ESV + Notes) with the ESV SB Notes alone, which is still 29.95 in prepub.

Todd Phillips said:

Thomas Black said:

Wow, the prepub price went up to $39.95 (from $29.95) and the sale price just shot up from $39.95 to $59.95

Thomas, I think you're confusing the full ESV Study Bible (ESV + Notes) with the ESV SB Notes alone, which is still 29.95 in prepub.

Alas, another event where my brain was not fully connected to my eyeballs and fingertips.  Seems to be happening a lot lately.

ok Logos. We're ready. Flip the switch!

How big is the file?

I bought it on pre-pub but it is not downloading. I guess I have to wait for the notice that the purchase has been processed?

On my previous orders after you receive the email notification that the purchase has been processed, the resource will download as soon as you restart the program

Deborah Mickens said:

Fred Chapman said:

I bought it on pre-pub but it is not downloading. I guess I have to wait for the notice that the purchase has been processed?

 

Fred,

You do need to wait for email notification saying that the order was processed in order for the download to begin. As soon as you get that email, the resource should start downloading to your computer.

That's what I figured; I was patiently impatiently [;)] waiting then the email cam and I'm downloading now.

For taking as long as it did to get the ESV Study Bible to Logos, I'm surprised it seems to be missing functionality I would expect to see.  That's not to say I'm ungrateful, but Logos has just spoiled us with the inter-linking of material, popups/popovers, etc. in the texts.

For example, page 1790 in the ESV Study Bible has the Herodian Dynasty.  The text is miniscule even on a 24" monitor running 1920x1200 (Reading View).  I don't see a way to zoom into the image.  I also would expect that the Scripture references in the image to contain popups of those verses.  Granted, I understand this is an image; one that could be rendered easily (it seems) to allow for textural links.

Granted this is a small quibble, but it should be doable.  Am I expecting too much from Logos?

I had the 453MB download and then an additional 240MB download.

I agree, it would be nice to know what was downloading.

I'm wondering how long it takes to process the order?