Hermeneia is newly available for download, and on sale for 50% off!!
I've been waiting for this one for a while because $1200 was just too much to shell out, and it was available on CD only. But I just noticed today on the "new ebooks" feed (http://www.logos.com/ebooks/new) that it has just been released as a downloadable product. And they've slashed the price to $598!
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- 1 Enoch 1: Chapters 1-36; 81-108
- Fourth Ezra
- The Apostolic Tradition
- The Didache
- Ignatius of Antioch
- Shepherd of Hermas
- The Odes of Solomon
- 1 Enoch 1: Chapters 1-36; 81-108
- Fourth Ezra
- The Apostolic Tradition
- The Didache
- Ignatius of Antioch
- Shepherd of Hermas
- The Odes of Solomon
This is a great deal. Having never had the opportunity to actually use Hermeneia for study, I understand it is rather technical, which I tend to like. With that, how would you describe the content and approach against WBC (more academic/technical, etc.)? Or, is there another set that you would compare it?
Wow! When did this happen? Was this announced in an email?
Rosie, did you get the special "Frequent Forum Posting" discount?
Wow! When did this happen? Was this announced in an email?
I don't know. Could have been as recently as this week. I've been making a point of checking the "new ebooks" page (http://www.logos.com/ebooks/new) every so often, and I just happened to check it this morning after not checking for a couple of weeks. I think you can set it up to have it feed into your feed reader but I'm not sure how. It doesn't show that it has an RSS feed. But just I tried pasting it into Google Reader and Google Reader claims it will track the page for me and let me know when there are any changes. We'll see.
Rosie, did you get the special "Frequent Forum Posting" discount?
Hee hee! I wish. [:)]
I've just been told by my Sales Rep that $598 is the best price ever offered, even better than it was in pre-pub. The 40 volume pre-pub price was $500, and the 3 volume upgrade pre-pub price was $129.95.
So I'm going to buy it now! Yipee!!!
I've just been told by my Sales Rep that $598 is the best price ever offered, even better than it was in pre-pub. The 40 volume pre-pub price was $500, and the 3 volume upgrade pre-pub price was $129.95.
I wonder what happened to the claim "The Pre-Pub price today is the lowest price you’ll ever pay"....
Will we see other sets reduced to less than the pre-pub price?
Wow! When did this happen? Was this announced in an email?
Rosie, did you get the special "Frequent Forum Posting" discount?
My salesman called me last Friday and offered this deal to me then so I already have them on my system. It helps to be in contact with your dedicated sales person.
This is a great deal. Having never had the opportunity to actually use Hermeneia for study, I understand it is rather technical, which I tend to like. With that, how would you describe the content and approach against WBC (more academic/technical, etc.)? Or, is there another set that you would compare it?
It's about as academic/techical as they come. Close to WBC in level of detail, but it also treats non-canonical books such as 1 Enoch. It has extremely thorough footnotes. There are a few volumes that you can search through and peruse some sample pages on Amazon.com. Do more than just click on the sample pages, since that will probably get you only the introduction. Actually search for something you know will be found throughout the commentary pages, such as LXX. Then click on one of the search hits fairly far into the commentary and page forward and backward from there. Here's one that has that search inside feature: http://www.amazon.com/Peter-Commentary-Hermeneia-Critical-Historical/dp/0800660307
Hermeneia is pretty critical in its approach (for better and worse), and like most sets quite variable. It's not very theological, but will often pay close attention to historical background. Some of the volumes are quite old (though not as bad as ICC), and several are translations from German theologians. The problem with the older volumes is that they sometimes employed methods which have not stood the test of time. Sometimes they're surprisingly brief, other volumes (e.g. Romans) are very substantial.
Carson says of the NT volumes: "Hermeneia (SCM/Fortress) is a full-scale critical commentary series that devotes considerable attention to parallel texts. Unlike the ICC, allowance is made for readers without a classical education by providing translations (usually from the Loeb edition) of cited Greek and Latin authors. Several of the volumes are translations of German works, and initially this included some extremely dated books (e.g., Bultmann on the Johannine Epistles), but these are being replaced (in this instance by a major commentary written by Strecker). Haenchen on John, however, should have been put out to pasture long ago. “Parallelomania” (to use Sandmel’s famous expression) and a naive appeal to history-of-religions assumptions frequently surface in the volumes of this series, but the series remains invaluable for the serious exegete and expositor. A few volumes are outstanding (e.g., Attridge on Hebrews)."
Tremper Longman has a slightly higher view on the OT volumes.
Personally I find it useful for academic work, but with one or two exceptions only, not really useful for preaching (because it tends to answer questions I'm not really asking in sermon preparation).
Completely at random, here's the comments on Acts 13:8 from various technical commentaries (there happens to be two commentaries on Acts in Hermenia - t:
Hermeneia (new): As Susan Garrett shows, Paul and Bar-Jesus “represent superhuman figures.” In literary terms, their function is symbolic. The magus, now identified as “Elymas,” with the incomprehensible explanation that renders this name or title, took exception to the pair. The setting is utterly vague. Is the reader to envision an interview in the gubernatorial palace, with Sergius seated while Saul and Barnabas address him (in turn?), and the magus in his normal place, or a less formal conversation in private rooms? If the pair had no opportunity to speak, what was the ground of Bar-Jesus’s objection (and v. 12b*)? A discussion on a street-corner seems quite unlikely. There is no background; all is foreground, the confrontation, marked by “seek” (ζητέω [vv. 7*, 8*, 11*]), “proconsul,” “faith”/“believe” (πίστις, πιστεύω [vv. 7*, 8*, 12*]). Between these two pillars, Bar-Jesus is crushed. His attempt to dissuade results in persuasion. The favored magus becomes a blind beggar. The “change of names” evidently serves the same end. The good Jew Saul is also the good Roman Paul,67 while the barbarous appellation “Bar-Jesus” belongs to Elymas (or Hetoimas, etc.), who is better titled “Bar-Satan” (v. 10*).
Hermeneia (old): The magician’s new name is surprising. The word Elymas is obscure. Luke apparently understands it (in Diodorus Sic. 20.17.1; 20.18.3, a Libyan name) as an appellative, “magician”; or does he equate Bar-Jesus and Elymas?18 Some have proposed Semitic derivations: from the Aramaic אַלִּימָא = “strong,” or the Arabic alim, which is close to μάγος, “magician” (˓ālim, “learned”; ˓al̄im, “omniscient,” used only of Allah), or from the Aramaic חלמא, “expert in the interpretation of dreams.” In an inscription Ηλειμ is found as a name (in Tyre). Codex D has the form ΕΤ[Ο]ΙΜΟΣ, “Hetoimos,” by which many are reminded of the Jew ΑΤΟΜΟΣ, “Atomos,” who posed as a magician (Josephus Ant. 20.142). Jews enjoyed a certain fame as magicians (cf. 19:13*).21 At an early point μάγος, “magician,” had a derogatory connotation in Greek; Philostratus (Vita Apoll. 1.2) rejects this designation for Apollonius of Tyana. Again, we recognize the Lukan criticism of magic. Its style is not that of the philosophical criticism of miracles. Luke does not say that magic is a fraud (in the manner of Lucian, in his Philops.), but that it is destroyed by the power of Jesus (cf. Ignatius Eph. 19.3).
NICNT: But the sorcerer did his best to distract the proconsul’s attention from the gospel, opposing it for all he was worth; no doubt he suspected that, if the proconsul paid too much attention to the faith the missionaries were proclaiming, his own place at court was likely to be endangered.
The Greek word translated “magician” or “sorcerer” is magos. As Peter confronted Simon Magus in Samaria, so Paul confronts Barjesus in Cyprus. A Jew, even a renegade Jew (as this man evidently was), would not have been a member of the magian priesthood; he was a magos in the more popular sense. Luke calls him a false prophet, not (probably) in the sense that he foretold things which did not come to pass, but in the sense that he claimed falsely to be a medium of divine revelation. Elymas, the alternative name which Luke gives him, is probably a Semitic word with a similar meaning to magos; it cannot be an interpretation of “Barjesus.”
ICC: At this point the magus, who may perhaps be thought of as court astrologer, intervenes. ἀνθίστατο, middle; cf. 6:10, where in a similar context the active is used. If Luke intends any difference, which is doubtful — he may be following sources — the present verse will suggest that the magus spoke up on his own account; he was not representing the proconsul, who in fact turned out to be of a different mind. The magus is now called Ἐλύμας, and it is affirmed that so his name μεθερμηνεύεται. After an ὄνομα which is undoubtedly Semitic in form (v. 6) this word can mean only, is translated. It is however impossible to translate Bar-Jesus as Elymas, since Elymas (Ἐλύμας) is not a Greek word (at least, it is not listed in LS; ἔλυμος has several meanings: case, quiver, a kind of pipe, millet). It might be wise to cut short discussion of the problem that results by saying with Bengel, ‘Barjehu et Elymas, nescio quomodo, synonyma sunt.’ Failing this, the simplest and probably correct solution is that both names were, in the tradition (or traditions) that Luke used, applied to the man in question, and that Luke assumed that the form that appeared to be Greek must be a translation of the Semitic; cf. 4:36. The assumption is a natural one, though Luke might have reflected that the Latin Paul is not a translation of the Semitic Saul (v. 9). There are however other possibilities; for much detail see P. W. Schmiedel in EBib, s.v. Barjesus; Clark (350–4); Metzger (402f.); Hemer (227f.); and all the commentaries. One line of attack is to reconsider the meaning of Βαριησοῦς (with the textual variants) in the light of Ἐλύμας, or rather of the variant Ετοιμας which appears in D, supported, with not a little variation, by a number of Old Latin MSS and Lucifer. This form of the name, which suggests the adjective ἑτοῖμος, ready, has given rise to the suggestion that behind Βαριησοῦς should be seen the Aramaic and Syriac root š-w-ʾ which, among other things, signifies (according to Driver, quoted by Clark; the Aramaic שוא does not appear in Jastrow, though the corresponding Syriac word is in Payne Smith) to be equal, sufficient, worth, deemed worthy, hence perhaps ready for some purpose. Another suggestion rests upon a variant in Josephus, Ant. 20:142, which is often read Σίμωνα ὀνόματι … Ἰουδαῖον, Κύπριον δὲ τὸ γένος, μάγον εἶναι σκηπτόμενον. In this passage there is substantial evidence for reading, instead of Σίμωνα,Ἄτομον (printed in the text e.g. of L. H. Feldman) and this form of the name is not unlike Ἐτοιμᾶς; either could be a corruption of the other, and J. R. Harris (Expositor, fifth series, 5 (1902), 189–95) thought that Ἕτοιμος should be accepted as the original text of Acts. F. C. Burkitt (JTS 4 (1903), 127–9) conjectured that the text had suffered corruption and that Bar-Jesus was originally glossed by Luke ὁ λοιμός, the pest, the pestilent fellow. On the assumption that Elymas represents not the name Bar-Jesus but the occupation of the magus it has been suggested that we should think of the Aramaic חלמא an interpreter of dreams, or of אלימא, strong, powerful; alternatively, there is the Arabic ‘alim, wise, learned. See L. Yaure (JBL 79 (1960), 297–314). But ‘Why should a Jew in Cyprus at the court of a Roman consular governor be called by an obscure Arabic nickname?’ (Begs. 4:144). A simple error seems the best explanation. Apparently the proconsul was inclined to look with favour on the message of Barnabas and Saul: ἥδιστα ἤκουεν αὐτῶν (D*(E)syh** mae). This the magus intended to discourage; acceptance of the Christian message would no doubt have meant the end of his employment (whether because the proconsul no longer believed in sorcery or because he thought the missionaries more powerful sorcerers). ἡ πίστις can here be hardly other than the faith, though it is noted in v. 12 that Sergius Paulus believed, that is, became a believer, that is, exercised faith.
Anchor: 8. Elymas the magician. MS D reads the name as Etoimas. (for that is what his name means). This is a Lucan explanation of the Greek name Elymas, but that that name means magos, “magician,” is far from clear. No one knows what it means. Ancient versions have simply transliterated the name: thus, Vg Elimas; Pešitta ʾEllumas; Bohairic Elumas. Some modern commentators (e.g., J. Lightfoot) have invoked Arabic ʿalîm, “wise man, magician,” but that too is problematic, because its relationship is still unexplained. L. Yaure (“Elymas—Nehelamite—Pethor,” JBL 79 [1960]: 297–314) interprets it as a form of Aramaic ḥālômāʾ, “dreamer,” which is no better, pace Schneider, Apg., 2.122, because ḥālôm is the Hebrew word for “dream,” not Aramaic.
opposed them, seeking to turn the proconsul away from the faith. I.e., from Christianity. Luke uses pistis in the content sense of what Christians believe, what later theologians have called fides quae (see NOTE on 6:7).
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Hermeneia is pretty critical in its approach (for better and worse), and like most sets quite variable. It's not very theological, but will often pay close attention to historical background. Some of the volumes are quite old (though not as bad as ICC), and several are translations from German theologians. The problem with the older volumes is that they sometimes employed methods which have not stood the test of time. Sometimes they're surprisingly brief, other volumes (e.g. Romans) are very substantial.
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Mark, just letting you know I extensively quoted you on my blog post regarding this collection: http://bit.ly/dylOcS
Wilson Hines
it also treats non-canonical books such as 1 Enoch
Rosie, I know from your wording that you expect me to respond. So I present a challenge: to which Jewish and which Christian group(s) is this a canonical book? A reward of a smilie face to the first correct answer.[H]
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
it also treats non-canonical books such as 1 EnochRosie, I know from your wording that you expect me to respond.
I totally didn't see that sideswipe coming. Touché.
So I present a challenge: to which Jewish and which Christian group(s) is this a canonical book? A reward of a smilie face to the first correct answer.
I confess ignorance on that matter. At least I know there are canons for which 1 Enoch is canonical, but I have no idea which ones they are. I'd be interested in studying it and having a commentary volume on it, regardless.
So I present a challenge: to which Jewish and which Christian group(s) is this a canonical book? A reward of a smilie face to the first correct answer.
I know the Ethiopian Orthodox treat it as orthodox. I thought it fell out of favor with the Jewish.
I understand it is rather technical, which I tend to like.
technical yes, but very understandable - enough so to be used as a text on the Song of Solomon in a lay summer non-credit class. It's my first choice of Commentaries.
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I've been waiting for this one for a while because $1200 was just too much to shell out, and it was available on CD only. But I just noticed today on the "new ebooks" feed (http://www.logos.com/ebooks/new) that it has just been released as a downloadable product. And they've slashed the price to $598!
Maybe it will be the next Blog posting after the excellent one about Barnes.....
This is a good news...
I've been waiting for this one for a while because $1200 was just too much to shell out, and it was available on CD only. But I just noticed today on the "new ebooks" feed (http://www.logos.com/ebooks/new) that it has just been released as a downloadable product. And they've slashed the price to $598!
Rosie, we can't slip anything by you at all... [;)]
The price reduction is for a limited time only, and is in partnership with the publisher. We plan to announce the sale to everyone on NewsWire this week.
The price reduction is for a limited time only
Dan, can you flesh out that "limited time only" part a bit more? How much of a limited time? A week? A month? Two months?
Very interested, but also not ready just yet to drop that amount of cash so unexpectedly!
Seems it didn't make it on to this weeks newswire
Thanks, I was wondering if anybody got this announcement on the newswire mailing. I know that a lot of the Logos emails are targeted and was wondering if I didn't get the announcement because I had bought Hermeneia recently.
Thanks
I've been waiting for this one for a while because $1200 was just too much to shell out, and it was available on CD only. But I just noticed today on the "new ebooks" feed (http://www.logos.com/ebooks/new) that it has just been released as a downloadable product. And they've slashed the price to $598!
The publisher offers new packages that includeThe Odes of Solomon and the Continental Commentary with a 50% discount.
Interesting. I count 62 volumes that will be in this new release with the addition of the Continental Commentaries.
Mark, where are you finding this information?
The publisher offers new packages that includeThe Odes of Solomon and the Continental Commentary with a 50% discount.Interesting. I count 62 volumes that will be in this new release with the addition of the Continental Commentaries.
Mark, where are you finding this information?
I don't find any mention of Hermeneia in the same page as Continental Commentary series on either Augsburg Fortress or Fortress Press websites. But assuming such a package deal exists somewhere, I actually count 63 volumes: 43 for Hermeneia + 19 volumes of Continental Commentary + The Odes of Solomon. There's also a new Hermeneia volume available that we don't have in Logos yet: Psalms 3: A Commentary on Psalms 101-150, which, if it were included, would push the total up to 64 volumes. (It's actually hard to compare the volumes we have in Logos with the volumes available on the Augsburg Fortress website as there are a lot of discrepancies in the two lists.)
Mark, where are you finding this information?
The publisher's web site. Type Hermeneia in the search box. Look at the first two offerings. Updated, divided into two sections, and not available until later this fall.
Edit: I see the links have already been given. Note that the existing volume w/o the CC is available for the same price now that the split volumes will be after the CC is added it. Buy now or get more later for the same price.
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Edit: I see the links have already been given. Note that the existing volume w/o the CC is available for the same price now that the split volumes will be after the CC is added it. Buy now or get more later for the same price.
Interesting - get more later for the same price! Tell me, and what is the point Pre-Ordering early again?[;)]
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What is the difference between the 43 volume set now priced at $598 and the 39 volume set on pre-pub for $299.50 (due to ship 1 Oct)?
The 43 volume set at $598 includes all the volumes in the Hermeneia series.
There are two $299.50 sets shipping on 1 Oct.
The first (OT) contains (a) All the OT Hermeneia books, (b) all the non-canonical* Hermeneia books, (c) Seventeen additional Continental Commentary books. (a) and (b) are already in the 43-volume set, but (c) isn't.
The second(NT) set contains (a) All the NT Hermeneia books, (b) all the non-canonical* Hermeneia
books, (c) Two additional Continental Commentary books. (a) is already in the 43-volume set. (b) is in both the 43 volume set and the OT volume set above, but (c) isn't in either set.
The two $299 volume sets together are equivalent to the 43-volume Hermeneia Set and the Continental Commentary Set, and therefore offer exceptional value for money.
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The two $299 volume sets together are equivalent to the 43-volume Hermeneia Set and the Continental Commentary Set, and therefore offer exceptional value for money.
We just discovered on another thread that the two $299 sets include an additional Hermeneia volume not included in the 43 Volume set, namely the Odes of Solomon. So it's even better value!
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We just discovered on another thread that the two $299 sets include an additional Hermeneia volume not included in the 43 Volume set, namely the Odes of Solomon. So it's even better value!
That's good to hear.
Looking at the two sets on the Pre-Pub page though, it seems each set has the same seven books:
So it seems that if one were to purchase both sets, they'd be getting two sets of these seven books.
Even though this is already an awesome deal, I wonder if Logos could bundle the two pre-pubs together minus the seven repeated books and reflect that in the price?
Looking at the two sets on the Pre-Pub page though, it seems each set has the same seven books:
So it seems that if one were to purchase both sets, they'd be getting two sets of these seven books.Even though this is already an awesome deal, I wonder if Logos could bundle the two pre-pubs together minus the seven repeated books and reflect that in the price?
These sets (and the fact that there's overlap between them, and their prices) are set by Augsburg Fortress. The Logos prices are the same. It's already a phenomenal deal, so creating a bundle of OT + NT for less than the sum of the two of them, but without the duplicated volumes, would be almost illegal it would be so cheap. :-) But I guess it's worth asking them about.
PLEASE could we have some sample pages of Hermeneia. Or a link to a site where I can find them? Or maybe some kind person would have mercy on me and post a couple of scanned pages? I want to see how detailed the commentary is, rather than a list of contents or introduction. I've ordered to lock in at the price, but may well need to ask for a refund if it's more technical than I need.[^o)]
Thank you for keeping the rest of us informed, Rosie...been wanting this one for a while, now! Also, thanks for linking a sample from Amazon; it was tremendously informative. Always enjoy your posts...blessings.
I've been waiting for this one for a while because $1200 was just too much to shell out, and it was available on CD only. But I just noticed today on the "new ebooks" feed (http://www.logos.com/ebooks/new) that it has just been released as a downloadable product. And they've slashed the price to $598!
Does anyone know if there will be a 'special upgrade' for those who already own the Hermeneia 43 volumes?
God Bless
Graham
Pastor - NTCOG Basingstoke
I've been waiting for this one for a while because $1200 was just too much to shell out, and it was available on CD only. But I just noticed today on the "new ebooks" feed (http://www.logos.com/ebooks/new) that it has just been released as a downloadable product. And they've slashed the price to $598!
Does anyone know if there will be a 'special upgrade' for those who already own the Hermeneia 43 volumes?
If anyone knows, it would be Logos. And I'm sure they're not going to tell anyone before it's announced if they're planning something like that.
Here is a message from Will Bergkamp, Publisher and Managing Director of Fortress Press:
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Fortress Press is excited to be offering limited-time introductory pricing on several new products containing Hermeneia and Continental Commentary Series content.
We are partnering with Logos Bible Software to create exclusive Logos 4 downloadable versions of our new packages. The products are still configured, created, and owned by Fortress Press, Logos is just the reseller.
This special partnership allows Logos 4 versions of our content to be available as downloads from the Logos website. With those downloads, Logos 4 users may add the new content to their library without having to buy a CD-ROM, waiting for it to ship, installing it into Libronix, and then getting it to work in Logos 4. The download is easier and eliminates many of these steps for Logos 4 users.
We decided to include Continental Commentary content in the Hermeneia collections to round them out and produce the ultimate collection of historical-critical commentaries. These two commentaries appeal to a similar audience, so it made sense for us to bundle them together.
To celebrate the new collections we are offering an incredible limited-time sale. We dramatically discounted the price so it would fit within the budgets of many more students and pastors who haven’t been able to afford it at the full price. Remember, this discount is only temporary; it’s not the new permanent price for these commentaries.
Another way we made it easy for more people to add this to their libraries was by splitting the full Hermeneia and Continental Commentaries into two separate collections: one for the Old Testament and the other for the New Testament, further reducing the entry price and allowing customers to just purchase OT or NT.
We realize that many people recently bought the Continental Commentary Series as a standalone package from Logos, and they have graciously agreed to offer full refunds of the Continental Commentary Series to anyone that commits to buying the new complete Hermeneia download after October 1st. For more details, please contact Logos after October 1st at 800-875-6467.
Will Bergkamp
Publisher and Managing Director
Fortress Press
We realize that many people recently bought the Continental Commentary Series as a standalone package from Logos, and they have graciously agreed to offer full refunds of the Continental Commentary Series to anyone that commits to buying the new complete Hermeneia download after October 1st. For more details, please contact Logos after October 1st at 800-875-6467.For 16 years I have been a customer of Logos Bible Software (now on Mac :-). This is but one example of the integrity I have observed over all these years. It is also the kind of customer care that makes me proud to be an employee (even if it has only been 8 months).
Even though I do not own this series, as a customer and employee of Logos, I hope you don't mind if I jump in to say Thanks Dan!
Blessings.
For those that have placed two Pre-Pubs (OT/NT) you might want to cancel them and get the full enchilada now:
The entire thing - Hermeneia and Continental Commentaries (63 Vols.)
http://www.logos.com/products/prepub/details/8047
Hermeneia/Continental Commentaries: New Testament (31 Vols.)
http://www.logos.com/products/prepub/details/7756
Hermeneia/Continental Commentaries: Old Testament (39 Vols.)
For those that have placed two Pre-Pubs (OT/NT) you might want to cancel them and get the full enchilada now:
The entire thing - Hermeneia and Continental Commentaries (63 Vols.)
Thank you, Dan! That's awesome! I've just done exactly that. [:)]
Nice, but I find it frustrating that I was in on the first day of the Hermeneia pre-pub several years ago, the first day (I believe) of the Continental commentaries, spent $800 (ok, $798) for the two sets, and now it's being offered for $600. Ouch.
Nice, but I find it frustrating that I was in on the first day of the Hermeneia pre-pub several years ago, the first day (I believe) of the Continental commentaries, spent $800 (ok, $798) for the two sets, and now it's being offered for $600. Ouch.
I'm in the same situation. But I've have two years' worth of Hermeneia, which as to be worth something. Part of my wishes that everyone who bought Hermeneia all those years ago should get Continental for free, but I know that's unreasonable. We paid our money for Hermeneia, and were happy with the value offered at the time. If Logos now want to offer even better value to others, I guess I need to rejoice with those who rejoice!
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We realize that many people recently bought the Continental Commentary Series as a standalone package from Logos, and they have graciously agreed to offer full refunds of the Continental Commentary Series to anyone that commits to buying the new complete Hermeneia download after October 1st. For more details, please contact Logos after October 1st at 800-875-6467.
Will there be any kind of discount for people who recently bought Hermeneia?
Thanks
Rosie, if you'll remember my question just a few short weeks ago regarding what I needed to buy here shortly to prep myself for seminary in two to three years, this was one of the items on my list.
I don't know why, but for one of the first times in my life, I decided to wait.... 
I just didn't feel comfortable digging into a payment plan at that moment, for some reason ...
So, I waited and then this comes along in my RSS reader. OMW, what a value. Essentially, this is over $1800 in stuff for $600 - my chips are in!
Wilson Hines
I also have the Hermeneia 43-volumes (40 + 3 upgrade), for which I paid (I think) about as much as the current package offer. I don't think I have the Continental Commentary set, so I would have a pretty good benefit from the package. But it would be the first time I double-bought something that expensive.
Maybe I could give the old ones to someone (at least the CD-ROM original).
Will there be any kind of discount for people who recently bought Hermeneia?
Depends on how recently is "recently." Their official policy is a full refund if you return it within 30 days, but they've been known to be gracious even after that time period if there are special circumstances. I would call Customer Service and see if they'll let you return Hermeneia if you commit (by placing a prepub order) to buying the Hermeneia & Continental Commentary bundle, and I would guess they will likely accommodate your request. But act soon, since the bundle is shipping on Oct 1.
I would call Customer Service
Thanks, I was aware of the 30 return policy. I bought this in early August but I ordered it from the sales person I normally contact at Logos. Since Logos Sales people get credit (and I assume a commission) for sales I'm not sure that returning Hermeneia would be fair to the sales person even if I was within the 30 days. I wouldn't be concerned about this is it was only a matter of a price difference for something I've already purchased. I did contact customer service about a resonable upgrade and they referred me to the Suggestion email link. My sales person didn't know that there was any difference in this new bundle and the 43 volume set. At this time I'm waiting to hear back from him.
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We realize that many people recently bought the Continental Commentary Series as a standalone package from Logos, and they have graciously agreed to offer full refunds of the Continental Commentary Series to anyone that commits to buying the new complete Hermeneia download after October 1st. For more details, please contact Logos after October 1st at 800-875-6467.Will there be any kind of discount for people who recently bought Hermeneia?
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Mike, I purchased the Hermeneia CD just a couple of months ago. I paid
more than the current $600 sale price and did not get the Continental
Commentary with it nor the new volume. I have no desire to return it for a refund or sell it but, if I understand your question correctly, I would also like to ask, Will there be any kind of discount to purchase the Continental Commentaries and the additional Hermeneia volume for persons who recently purchased the Hermeneia 43 volume CD?
Did I ask the same question? I do concede I am owed nothing from Logos or Fortress press in this matter.
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Mike, I purchased the Hermeneia CD just a couple of months ago. I paid more than the current $600 sale price and did not get the Continental Commentary with it nor the new volume. I have no desire to return it for a refund or sell it but, if I understand your question correctly, I would also like to ask, Will there be any kind of discount to purchase the Continental Commentaries and the additional Hermeneia volume for persons who recently purchased the Hermeneia 43 volume CD?
Any "discount" for purchasing a collection that contains something you already own is usually best achieved by having you return the former for a full refund and then purchasing the new more complete set. A sales rep can take care of all of this for you in one call. There's no guarantee they'd do the refund after two months (their official policy is only 30 days), but in my experience they usually do, particularly for good customers (anyone who has bought extra books beyond their base package is already a good customer), since they value the long-term relationship with their customers.
Thank you, Will and Fortress Press. I'm one happy camper and my wife is relieved at Fortress' and Logos' generosity in offering the full refund. Peace + joy reign in the tent of this septuagenarian and his spouse of 52 years[:D]
Steve Maling
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Hermeneia Upgrade (3 Vols.) is the upgrade included with it or it has to be purchased separately`?
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Hermeneia Upgrade (3 Vols.) is the upgrade included with it or it has to be purchased separately`?
Upgrade is include Tes. When Hermeneia was originally released it was 40 volumes. A little bit later 3 more volumes were added so the full package when up to 43 volumes and the 3volume upgrade was made available for those who had purchased the 40 volume package.
wow thats what I call a price cut! Would being downloadable cause this to be so much less expensive?
Probably not, but they're probably trying to offer an incentive on it since this set has probably not sold many copies the way it was priced before. I'm guessing they will still make enough of a margin on it at this price to make it worth their while or they wouldn't be doing this. The previous price was probably somewhat constrained by the publisher, but now without having to ship it on CD they might have more freedom to negotiate a lower price.
I'm very excited about this and have emailed my Sales Rep to see if that's the bottom line price or if he can do even better than that. I'm ready to spring for it even at that price, though. Who knows how long the sale will last.
Actually there is a basis for your question that could account for this new price level. See this FAQ http://www.logos.com/support/lbs/faq#transferlicenses
and note the last line (red text emphasis added by myself)
Q: How do I Transfer my Licenses?
A: Licenses for shippable products on CD-ROM or DVD-ROM, which come with a Serial Number, can be transferred from one person to another. (See the EULA
for more information.) Unlocks can only be transferred as part of a
full license transfer. There will be a processing fee charged on all
transfers which is subject to change without notice. As of 6/17/09 the
fee is equal to $20.00 per transfer. Either party involved with the
transfer can pay the fee. We require the transfer request in
writing (email is accepted) from the person to whom the software is
currently registered. Please provide the following information:
The name and contact information of the current user, including email address.
The Libronix Customer ID of the current user. (This can be found under Help | About Libronix DLS.)
The name and contact information of the person receiving the license, including email address.
Recipient's Libronix Customer ID, if they have one.
The product name(s) and serial number(s).
Note: Licenses for unlocked, downloadable products are non-transferable.
So everyone who purchases Hermeneia by download can only sell it in conjunction with the transfer of their complete collection.
I purchased the CD Rom version a few months back. It only includes the Hermeneia set (not the Continental Commentaries) Although I can sell it individually because it is on a CD with a serial number, it is one commentary I will not want to sell.
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However see this thread and Bob's response. Apparently everything has either not been cleared up, what Bob said he was willing to do (treat downloaded and CD resource licenses the same way) cannot be implemented, or the web page has not been updated. There may have been an update to this thread but I didn't find it in a quick search.
http://community.logos.com/forums/t/87.aspx?PageIndex=4
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I agree, it has not been totally settled. When you read the dates on the thread you referred to, all posts appear to be from last year. When you check the FAQ page I referred to the "last update" was 09/16/2010, as stated in the bottom right corner. I'd say my info should be more correct to the textual critics on the forums. [:P]
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