Where would a new user start?

Bradley Grainger said:

The default list of "KeyLink destinations" (as we used to call them in LDLS3) is completely unordered in Logos 4 Beta 2. (It may be alphabetical, it may be in order of internal resource ID, it may be the order in which you discovered the resources; I don't know.) A more sensible default ordering will be established in an upcoming beta.

We'll also be correcting resource metadata to stop Latin dictionaries and Greek lexicons being used as destinations for English words.

For the first, YIPPEE!!  For the 2nd, while there is certainly clean up work required,  I wouldn't at all mind if, say, Jerusalem, were looked up in Greek or Hebrew Resources.  If this does not happen, I would at least ask that the BWS report somehow allow us to go between languages to do this.

Ken McGuire

Robert Pavich said:

even though you were addressing Tom, I'd like to chime in if I may.

So the one thing that really needs to be implemented is what Damian suggested: the "first time user dialogue box" thing....a person like my wife WOULD NEVER figure out what we've been figuring out about setting priorities!

When a first time user fires the app up, he/she should see something like the following to make the setup painless...first impressions are important! If the software isn't set up right...the results will be wrong, and the user will become disenchanted, and tell his /her friends that E-sword was better...not realizing any of the nuances that power users know...

this whole thing should take 10 minutes or less and set all the important things; preferred resources, home page yes or no, whatever...

I like your suggestion Robert but it needs to be something that can be re-initiated because if my wife is going to use it she will come along and inherit the way I have set it up. Thus it will not include her favourite Bibles, etc. My wife prefers the older versions of E-Sword because the format is so simple. There are three panes on a divided screen: Bible, dictionary, commentary. If you want another Bible translation you just click on its abbreviation at the top and you can toggle between every translation you have. If you type in a word in the dictionary it will show you every dictionary that has an entry for that word and then you just click on the abbreviation to read it. Ironically she likes it because it's so visual - visual in a way that anyone can come along and understand it in 10 seconds. If Logos is trying to be like an iPhone I think the old E-Sword set up is the way to go. The iPhone is powerful at what it does, but it does little. You can't run PhotoShop on an iPhone. If it was possible to have a basic three panel screen for new users and yet have the option to be what it is for us that would be great. With all the tagging Logos has done I don't see why that wouldn't be possible to have more than one "face."

Tom

Damian McGrath said:

TomReynolds said:

The WINNER for confusion was clicking on "sexual" in 1 Cor 7:2 in the LEB. It took me to "diaspora" in the Dictionary of the Later NT and Its Developments.

You really did take the program out for a whirl!

Speaking of "whirl" it opens up the Enhanced BDB!

Tom

Bob Pritchett said:

Our thought was the 4.0 would offer a lot of "places to start" to new users right away, and that the simple three button interface in the upper left -- home, library, search -- would be easy to understand quickly.

Bob - I too am trying very hard to bring fresh eyes to Logos 4. I am a Power User of L3 and I am struggling. While I agree that the three buttons for home, library and search are easy to find their functionality is not so easy. The Home Page offers a great box that says "Enter passage or topic" but a single word entered here doesn't do a topic search it just locates the word. I tried "marriage" and it isn't searching topically. In L3 the same search gave a list of dozens of resources that had been "topically" searched. In L4 I only get three and then a list of dozens of resources that use the word "marriage" not the topic. That is confusing for a new user for sure. The Home Page functionality of  Study Passage, Study Word, or Study Topic was a very easy entrance point for new users. Much easier than Logos 4.

sorry again - it has been hard for me to find the known issues in here.