4.2 beta 3 INSTANT parallel resources
WOW!!!
That was fast!
Regards, SteveF
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Thank you Logos for listening!
And thanks for the Last Updated field in the Library display.
Peter
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Wow, missed that in the release notes. That might just change how I do things a bit....
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Yes it is great.
As mentioned in the release notes, Headword resources are not faster. But could someone check to see if their collections are not working with Dictionaries, etc (Headword resources) when using Parallel resource button. Thanks.
EDIT: false alarm. Something broke in my rules for my dictionary collection.
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This is amazing. Time for some optimizing on the Mac side. Well done!
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steve clark said:
EDIT: false alarm. Something broke in my rules for my dictionary collection.
Do you need to change "type:Dictionary" to "type:Encyclopedia"? http://community.logos.com/forums/t/24033.aspx
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This is absolutely awesome!! I have been very critical of Logos on the parallel resource problem. But this is the best update so far. It makes Logos SOOOO much more usable.
Thanks!
Fred Greco
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Bradley Grainger said:
Do you need to change "type:Dictionary" to "type:Encyclopedia"?
Thank you Sir! That was exactly the problem. Guess i missed that post [:D]
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I wouldn't say "INSTANT" (it took 2-3 seconds for me), but it's clearly much faster than it was before, and I'm sure it would be even snappier if I had a machine with better benchmarks. Thank you!
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Thank you Logos! This sure does make this feature more usable!
John
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Rosie Perera said:
I wouldn't say "INSTANT" (it took 2-3 seconds for me)
Is it 2-3 seconds every time you use the menu, or just the first time you drop it down? (The first time it's used it may take longer, particularly if you have many collections.)
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Bradley Grainger said:Rosie Perera said:
I wouldn't say "INSTANT" (it took 2-3 seconds for me)
Is it 2-3 seconds every time you use the menu, or just the first time you drop it down? (The first time it's used it may take longer, particularly if you have many collections.)
First time per resource. Subsequent times it's instantaneous. But then if I switch tabs to another resource, it again takes 2-3 seconds to populate.
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Rosie Perera said:
First time per resource. Subsequent times it's instantaneous. But then if I switch tabs to another resource, it again takes 2-3 seconds to populate.
The "first time" I spoke of was per-session, so if you're seeing that same delay with a new resource, it's probably due to the amount of work that has to be done to compute the available parallel resources (even with the improved code).
Do you have a lot of collections with "Show in parallel resources" checked? On a typical resource, how many different collections appear on the parallel resources menu once it does appear?
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Bradley Grainger said:Rosie Perera said:
First time per resource. Subsequent times it's instantaneous. But then if I switch tabs to another resource, it again takes 2-3 seconds to populate.
The "first time" I spoke of was per-session, so if you're seeing that same delay with a new resource, it's probably due to the amount of work that has to be done to compute the available parallel resources (even with the improved code).
Do you have a lot of collections with "Show in parallel resources" checked? On a typical resource, how many different collections appear on the parallel resources menu once it does appear?
Not a lot. I've got All Commentaries, English Bibles, Bible Dictionaries, Biographical Resources, Greek Lexicons, and Hebrew Lexicons. On a typical resource, there are two collections on the parallel resources menu. There can be up to 70 items in a single parallel resource list (for Bibles in particular). I've got a library of 4,229 resources.
As for the performance: Just for example, I've got a bunch of tabs open -- among them TNIV and two copies of NRSV. TNIV has a check mark on the English Bibles collection in the parallel resources menu. Both copies of NRSV have the checkmark on the "All parallel resources" side of the menu. I can click on the three tabs in sequence, and thendrop down the parallel resources menu of each, and even if I'm just going from one of the NRSVs to the other, the menu takes 2-3 seconds to populate. If I drop it down again immediately, it's instantaneous. If I return to a tab which I'd previously selected and again drop down the menu, it's again instantaneous. You'd think the menu could be populated once and the same menu would work on any of the resources that were in the same collections.
BTW, I wish there had been a quick way to answer your first question -- either a keystroke to open the next collection in alphabetical order, or a grid view of all collection names, with a column for whether the "show in parallel resources" checkbox is checked and a column for total number of resources in the collection. As it was I had to open up each of my 79 collections in turn to check for that checkbox. I did a bit of tweaking while I was at it (removed the checkmarks from all my collections of individual commentary types -- since I realized they are all included in the overarching "All Commentaries" one), but it didn't improve things.
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SteveF said:
That was fast!
But not necessarily accurate. On a Strong's Number in type:lexicons (19 resources) I'll get 12 resources of which half don't have an index! On another occasion I'll see 6 resources in Lexicons.
Dave
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Mine is instant the first time and every time. Wow - this is a welcome improvement!
My number one request is performance improvement, followed closely by letting us know what is being downloaded.
Good job, Logos!
Jerry
iMac (2019 model), 3Ghz 6 Core Intel i5, 16gb Ram, Radeon Pro Graphics. 500GB SSD.
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truly welcome! indeed!
Peace to all!
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4.2 beta 3 INSTANT parallel resources
Great news. Fast PRA's make working on notebooks (with their small displays) wonderful. Back in the L3 days, I learned the location of my frequently accessed resources, so checking them was as automatic as touch-typing. E.g. In a Bible window, from my default Bible, 2 left arrows was the NIV, 1 right arrow was HDNT, etc. It may sound strange, but I found it less "stressful" to check other resources this way than mousing and clicking on tabs.
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Having been one of the biggest complainers about slow parallel resources, can I just say a very big thank you for quietly slipping out this improvement. Would you care to share what, technically you have done?
Some bugs do remain, however, seemingly with resources with an irregular coverage. For example, opening a commentary to 2 Corinthians 5:21 shows Harotounian's Calvin commentary whose index jumps about all over the place, and you just end up going to the title page.
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I too, am very grateful for this improvement. thank you for your continued work and improvements.
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Mark Barnes said:
Having been one of the biggest complainers about slow parallel resources
Hi Mark,
I don't know if you are the biggest, I have been complaining about this too and I am 6' 6" tall which makes me bigger than 99% of the population.
I too am grateful that this feature finally works the way it should have from the beginning.
Thanks Logos.
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Dave Hooton said:
But not necessarily accurate. On a Strong's Number in type:lexicons (19 resources) I'll get 12 resources of which half don't have an index! On another occasion I'll see 6 resources in Lexicons.
Can you provide some details or a screenshot?
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Mark Barnes said:
Having been one of the biggest complainers about slow parallel resources, can I just say a very big thank you for quietly slipping out this improvement. Would you care to share what, technically you have done?
We started caching resource collections; collections are no longer re-evaluated every time the menu is dropped down. This will also help a lot for users with nested collections.
We also eliminated code that opens every resource in the "All Parallel Resources" collection and checks if it actually has the current reference; instead, we use metadata about the range of references that the resource contains to detect (much more quickly) if the resource is very likely to have the current reference. This logic was already being used for custom collections; we just extended it to All Parallel Resources.
Mark Barnes said:Some bugs do remain, however, seemingly with resources with an irregular coverage. For example, opening a commentary to 2 Corinthians 5:21 shows Harotounian's Calvin commentary whose index jumps about all over the place, and you just end up going to the title page.
This is a result of the less precise (but much quicker) verification that is happening in Beta 3. You would have experienced exactly the same behaviour in Beta 2 if Calvin: Commentaries (Haroutunian) was in a custom collection; in Beta 3, it's also now happening in "All Parallel Resources".
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Bradley Grainger said:
This is a result of the less precise (but much quicker) verification that is happening in Beta 3. You would have experienced exactly the same behaviour in Beta 2 if Calvin: Commentaries (Haroutunian) was in a custom collection; in Beta 3, it's also now happening in "All Parallel Resources".
I'll take the compromise. Good choice in my book.
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Philip Spitzer said:Bradley Grainger said:
This is a result of the less precise (but much quicker) verification that is happening in Beta 3. You would have experienced exactly the same behaviour in Beta 2 if Calvin: Commentaries (Haroutunian) was in a custom collection; in Beta 3, it's also now happening in "All Parallel Resources".
I'll take the compromise. Good choice in my book.
Just so I understand... are you saying that because of the quicker verification process, that we may receive 'hits' in the parallel resource drop down that isn't applicable to our text? How is that helpful at all? I'd rather wait a few seconds and know that I'm getting what I'm looking for. If I save time on the search but waste time on looking through a resource that doesn't have my applicable text is not helpful.
Did I misunderstand?
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Tom said:
Just so I understand... are you saying that because of the quicker verification process, that we may receive 'hits' in the parallel resource drop down that isn't applicable to our text? How is that helpful at all? I'd rather wait a few seconds and know that I'm getting what I'm looking for. If I save time on the search but waste time on looking through a resource that doesn't have my applicable text is not helpful.
Did I misunderstand?
I'm assuming its something along the lines of:
the current verse is 1 Cor 1:3, the parallel resource panel shows all commentaries that cover 1 Corinthians. One commentary may cover verses 2 and 4, but not three. It will be shown anyway.
I'd rather it show such a commentary. It may show me context that I would miss otherwise. I'm sure there will be differences of opinion, but this is mine.
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Philip Spitzer said:
I'd rather it show such a commentary.
I agree, but for it to be useful, it needs to take me to the nearest verse. Currently it just dumps me at the title page.
That said, in an ideal world, I'd like it to be accurate and fast. I hope this development is a step towards that, not a 'this will do instead'.
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Mark Barnes said:
I agree, but for it to be useful, it needs to take me to the nearest verse. Currently it just dumps me at the title page.
I didn't realize that. It does need to get you to the closest verse.
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Bradley Grainger said:Dave Hooton said:
But not necessarily accurate. On a Strong's Number in type:lexicons (19 resources) I'll get 12 resources of which half don't have an index! On another occasion I'll see 6 resources in Lexicons.
Can you provide some details or a screenshot?
Open DBL Greek and set the reference to G4033:-
Jump to Enhanced Strong's:-
Note 1. ESL initially showed the corresponding GK number, not the Strong's number.
2. If i jump back to DBL Greek it shows the same Lexicon list as ESL!
3. A similar case is G4100, but when it goes back to DBL Gk the list is the same 6 as ESL
4. It does not occur for all references in DBL Gk, nor is it repeatable for the ones I've shown here.
5. The story is the same for DBL Hebrew to ESL and back.
6. ESL can also give a verbose list & jumping to DBL provides the shorter list!
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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Mark Barnes said:
I agree, but for it to be useful, it needs to take me to the nearest verse. Currently it just dumps me at the title page.
I agree.
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Tom said:
I'd rather wait a few seconds and know that I'm getting what I'm looking for.
To wait (more than a few seconds), click the + sign (in the tab bar) to add a new tab; it still performs an precise search for parallel resources (and shows the results as they arrive).
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