What Happens When L4 is Released?

Does anyone know what the plan is when L4 is released? Will it simply overwrite the latest beta and preserve everything that has been customized or created by the beta testers? Or, will we need to uninstall the beta and/or lose all user generated data/customizations?

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Bradley Grainger (Logos)

Does anyone know what the plan is when L4 is released? Will it simply overwrite the latest beta and preserve everything that has been customized or created by the beta testers? Or, will we need to uninstall the beta and/or lose all user generated data/customizations?

It will be an upgrade from the latest beta just as Beta 5 was an upgrade from Beta 4. You will not need to uninstall.

At the moment, we do not foresee any change that would require deleting data you've created during the beta period.

Bob Pritchett

It shouldn't be much different from any of the beta installs -- it's just one more release. We'll try to not destroy any of your data, though if there's a significant format change before release (unlikely) we may have to, as we already did for a couple of things earlier in the cycle.

Jacob Hantla

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/18201#Comment_18201

Are you allowed to disclose the targeted release date for v4?

Bob Pritchett

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/18220#Comment_18220

Are you allowed to disclose the targeted release date for v4?

Yes, but then I'd have to...

No, I can't disclose it yet, but we will give advance notice here on the forums so that you can tell me it is too soon, and then I can explain why we need to release it anyway and promise that we'll add those important missing features ASAP, and then, I hope!, you'll all be ready on release day to twitter, blog, and generally say nice things to encourage a massive number of upgrades and new purchases, thereby funding our ongoing development and the near-term release of the things that should have made it into the first release but didn't.

Are you with me? :-)

Rich DeRuiter

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/18227#Comment_18227

No, I can't disclose it yet, but we will give advance notice here on the forums so that...you'll all be ready on release day to twitter, blog, and generally say nice things

Okay, you can't tell us the date for the release of L4. Can you tell us how soon we should be ready to "say nice things?"

Seriously, I've been using L4 exclusively all this week and am coming to like it more and more. So I'm probably ready, already.

BTW, did you notice the new B5 tester who signed on today? Pretty lost at first. It will be interesting to see what happens after a day or two. It seems the transition will be hardest for L3 "power users."

spitzerpl

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/18227#Comment_18227

Are you allowed to disclose the targeted release date for v4?

Are you with me? :-)

I stand ready, willing and able...

No, I can't disclose it yet,

Then could you at least tell us how many Beta's you expect to release and if you expect them to come out weekly? [:D]

Alex Scott

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/18227#Comment_18227

What happens to those of us who are Beta testing under a different name than our regular LDLS Customer ID?

Jacob Hantla

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/18227#Comment_18227

Are you with me? :-)

Absolutely. Wishing I could be counting down the days ;-)

It takes all the self-control that is within me not to blurt out all the cool new features of v4 when my friends are sitting their in ignorant bliss using v3.

Bradley Grainger (Logos)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/18246#Comment_18246

What happens to those of us who are Beta testing under a different name than our regular LDLS Customer ID?

Hopefully nothing. We're moving towards identifying you using the email address and password that you use to sign in to Logos.com. For existing users who originally activated Libronix DLS with a different email address, you can set up a link between your two accounts by editing the "Libronix Customer ID" listed at https://www.logos.com/MyAccount. If you continue to run LDLS3 and Logos 4 side-by-side, that link will keep your accounts in sync.

(‾◡◝)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/18255#Comment_18255

Thanks for the responses Bob and Bradley.

I have been purposely not doing much more than experimenting here and there with the betas rather than doing some heavy tagging, note taking, etc. for fear that it might all be lost. But I have to agree with other posts in the forum that this has been a remarkably clean beta! And, I think Logos has manifested a very high degree of Golden Rule attitude in the development of the new L4 and the way you folks support and listen to your customers. Very refreshing!

So refreshing that I will remain a dedicated Logos customer (just don't sell out to Harper Collins [;)]). In fact, I am even willing to accept 'the cloud' for this one application just so it can help you get your tech support costs down and that money can be used elswhere.

May the Lord continue to bless your efforts!

Ebbe Andréasson

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/18227#Comment_18227

No, I can't disclose it yet

I think it will be on my 50th birthday but I will don't disclose the date to anybody [;)]

George Somsel

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/18336#Comment_18336

No, I can't disclose it yet

I think it will be on my 50th birthday but I will don't disclose the date to anybody

I'm hoping it comes before my 39th birthday. [H]

Kenneth Morris

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/18255#Comment_18255

What happens to those of us who are Beta testing under a different name than our regular LDLS Customer ID?

Hopefully nothing. We're moving towards identifying you using the email address and password that you use to sign in to Logos.com. For existing users who originally activated Libronix DLS with a different email address, you can set up a link between your two accounts by editing the "Libronix Customer ID" listed at https://www.logos.com/MyAccount. If you continue to run LDLS3 and Logos 4 side-by-side, that link will keep your accounts in sync.

I was under the impression that if I edited my Libronix Customer ID I would mess up my ID on the server and I could possibly lose my license. Are you telling me it is okay to change my libronix customer ID to match my current email address? Will it affect L3 as my current installation has my old email address as my Libronix Customer ID?

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/18363#Comment_18363

I was under the impression that if I edited my Libronix Customer ID I would mess up my ID on the server and I could possibly lose my license. Are you telling me it is okay to change my libronix customer ID to match my current email address? Will it affect L3 as my current installation has my old email address as my Libronix Customer ID?

I took it to mean that you should transfer your current (Logos3) ID to the new (Logos4) account eg. my ID is already different to my login credentials because I can change my Email address!

Juanita

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/18229#Comment_18229

No, I can't disclose it yet, but we will give advance notice here on the forums so that...you'll all be ready on release day to twitter, blog, and generally say nice things

BTW, did you notice the new B5 tester who signed on today? Pretty lost at first. It will be interesting to see what happens after a day or two. It seems the transition will be hardest for L3 "power users."

Well, my husband tried v. 4 on Saturday, never having used v. 3 or other Logos versions, but has used other Bible software and found them easy to use. In short, he found it diffcult to learn, looked for "help" within the program-there is none yet-, said he didn't have the time it would take to learn to use it. Yes, he could type in a Bible passage and hit "go". But the next screen he got with 6 panes on it was overwhelming to him at first. I could hear him say "how did that happen?" when he moved the cursor and "how do I get back to where I was?" and "why aren't more Bible versions showing up in this window?" . He did like the appearance-soft colors- and thought it was cool that when he moused over English words, he had a window with Greek look ups. At first, he liked the pop ups with info for KJV, etc. but then after he saw it a few times said "that would be very annoying, if it continues; how do I turn it off?" He is used to software like MS Office 2007 and is a power user of all of that. He thinks that if you have a position where you are in full time Christian work, you would have the time and motivation to learn v. 4. But for him, he just could not sit and watch videos or attend a seminar. No time; his job requires a lot of time because he has a lot of responsibilities. And really needs a interface with more structure that "helps" him rather than having so many choices confronting him that he was confused.

And I made sure he didn't have to go through an indexing round or two. IOW, the program was up and running well. So, I don't think it is just hard for v.3 power users.

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/18403#Comment_18403

And I made sure he didn't have to go through an indexing round or two. IOW, the program was up and running well. So, I don't think it is just hard for v.3 power users.

Yes, that would have seen him off for good! Each user is conditioned by their experiences with other programs and would really feel at home if a new application fell into that same class of "intuitive" look and feel. I don't feel I have arrived at that point - still can't predict where a tab will open with multiple panes available. So I feel not much better off than v3 in that regard (I'm sure to get a response to that!). The important point is that the "new" user will not be as receptive as Bob had hoped.

Juanita

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/18406#Comment_18406

Dave,

Thanks for your comment. Yes, if he had to endure indexing, he would never have kept the program. He expects that from a high end, expensive piece of software realistic startup guides and in program help should come with it that removes any confusion from the new user. He doesn't think he should have to pay more for videos or training. (Other Bible software does come with training included; it is not asking too much to provide it with Logos.)

I guess I realize that what I mean by intuitive is really "learnable". I should be able to open up v. 4 and have a successful first experience in using it. Yes, challenging but also rewarding in the sense that if I have a question as a new user as to "how to prioritize?", then the program should explain why it is necessary to prioritize and how to do it.

Quite frankly, I am coming to the conclusion that the reason the majority of beta testers do not find v. 4 difficult to use is because they truly have brilliant minds. And I am not in that group; v. 4 is difficult to use for me and it is not because I have used v. 3. It is because I do not have a lot of time to do things by trial and error and learn from my errors. I would prefer to read something on "why prioritize and how to" and something on "how resources are organized, e.g. subsets to search on". And when I first get the software, not wait months until videos are posted or have to pay a lot of money for training.

I wonder how many other people are out there who have never participated in the forums/newsgroups that have purchased a package from Logos and never made another purchase of resources because they found the program difficult to use and hard to learn. I am just determined and stubborn enough to have hung around because I do love the software. Thanks for listening[A]

George Somsel

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/18421#Comment_18421

Quite frankly, I am coming to the conclusion that the reason the majority of beta testers do not find v. 4 difficult to use is because they truly have brilliant minds. And I am not in that group; v. 4 is difficult to use for me and it is not because I have used v. 3. It is because I do not have a lot of time to do things by trial and error and learn from my errors. I would prefer to read something on "why prioritize and how to" and something on "how resources are organized, e.g. subsets to search on". And when I first get the software, not wait months until videos are posted or have to pay a lot of money for training.

I won't lay claim to being the sharpest knife in the drawer, but on the other hand I don't intend to sell myself short either -- I am a tad smarter than the average bear. Having said that, I don't find L4 particularly intuitive. There have been a number of instances when I have raised a problem only to be told that I can do that. I too don't have time to be poking around at great length to find how to perform an operation in L4. I know what I want to accomplish and would appreciate a succinct but clear explanation of the steps involved to accomplish it. As to videos, does Logos sell videos? I know there is a link in the Help section to viewing online tutorials, but I didn't think that was operational at this point (my mistake?).

Juanita

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/18426#Comment_18426

George,

Maybe not a knife, but you are one of the shiniest apples in the bunch.[:D]

Morris Proctor, who is a great instructor, puts out dvd's and other materials for sale.

George Somsel

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/18428#Comment_18428

George,

Maybe not a knife, but you are one of the shiniest apples in the bunch.

Morris Proctor, who is a great instructor, puts out dvd's and other materials for sale.

Thank you for your kind words. I'll try to not allow my head to become bigger than it already is.

Of course, I knew about MP's training materials, but I thought you were speaking of something Logos published separately.

Robert Pavich

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/18428#Comment_18428

I also think that there is a basic underlying issue that needs to be addressed.

Photoshop is a great example. I've been using Photoshop since the 3.0 days and the first time I opened it I sat there and said....now what??

I was very motivated however and I dug and dug and learned. My mother, or even my wife or brother in law will not do that. for them; "Picasa" with it's "do you want to remove red-eye now?" sort of "big button/low flexibility" interface is fine for them.

It's hard for a piece of software to be both Photoshop with it's power, and Picasa with it's dumbed down "click here to take out red eye" interface...that's an issue that's tough to resolve.

The only way that I see out of it is to make it stupid upon launch.

click here to study a passage

click here to study a word

click here to study a topic;

click here to open your favorite bible

Juanita

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/18432#Comment_18432

Robert,

I think something like a Quick Start guide even in print, laying the foundation of just how to set up v. 4 and then how to begin to use it...maybe Logos has this planned. What I think I am referring to doesn't have to be part of the main software but a separate section.

If the Help section was up and running, perhaps my words now would be needless.

George Somsel

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/18432#Comment_18432

I also think that there is a basic underlying issue that needs to be addressed.

Photoshop is a great example. I've been using Photoshop since the 3.0 days and the first time I opened it I sat there and said....now what??

I was very motivated however and I dug and dug and learned. My mother, or even my wife or brother in law will not do that. for them; "Picasa" with it's "do you want to remove red-eye now?" sort of "big button/low flexibility" interface is fine for them.

It's hard for a piece of software to be both Photoshop with it's power, and Picasa with it's dumbed down "click here to take out red eye" interface...that's an issue that's tough to resolve.

The only way that I see out of it is to make it stupid upon launch.

click here to study a passage
click here to study a word
click here to study a topic;
click here to open your favorite bible

Does it also have a button labelled "Click here to throw this in the trash"?

J.R. Miller

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/18428#Comment_18428

Morris Proctor, who is a great instructor, puts out dvd's and other materials for sale.

I think the video tutorials should be included in L4 not as a separate purchase.

Ted Hans

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/18432#Comment_18432

The only way that I see out of it is to make it stupid upon launch.

click here to study a passage

click here to study a word

click here to study a topic;

click here to open your favorite bible

You mean like V.3 Home page. Seriously, V.3 home page was the selling point when introducing newbies to Logos. After getting them use to how the home page works, they were prepared to explore more. The complain has always been, it is difficult to use bible software. Getting newbies to see how easy V.3 home page was to use, quickly caught their attention and gently introduced them to the other amazing feature of Logos.

I am not sure how this will work out in V.4, i wish we had a customised home page for newbies after the like of V.3. That said. V4 is amazing and it is the way forward. Now that i am getting the hang of it, it is really that good.

Ted.

J.R. Miller

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/18440#Comment_18440

That makes sense Ted... Logos v4 with training wheels, then turn off the training wheels down the road.

George Somsel

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/18439#Comment_18439

Morris Proctor, who is a great instructor, puts out dvd's and other materials for sale.
I think the video tutorials should be included in L4 not as a separate purchase.

Since L4 is a new product, I imagine the easiest way to do this would either be to license new videos from MP or to bring him onboard as a regular Logos employee. Of couse, it would be possible for Logos to begin to issue their own materials in competition with MP, but I'm not sure Logos would want to do that.

Robert Pavich

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/18448#Comment_18448

Ok....test at lunch time here at work.

I have a friend who is a bit of a newbie to bible study. He's smart; has a degree in mechanical engineering, is pretty software savvy also.

He knows i have bible study software and all he does is read and look at a commentary once in a while.

I sat him down in front of v4's home page and just said: "now what do you think you should do?"

He said.."Well it says type a passage here so I will"

When he typed the passage, this is what he got...it was overwhelming. His words...not mine:

"What in the heck am I looking at?"

then I launched v3 and asked him what he thought. He said that the interface is more what he would be comfortable with; Passage guide, Bible and commentary. When he clicked bible and commentary and that came up he said "yes! that's what I'd expect to happen!"

Note: this screen shot is a simulation from Photoshop because the bible that came up was the wrong one and the commentary was "not located" because of a resource path issue. he understood when I explained to him that his favorite bible and commentary would come up after he pushed the button.

This is just a reinforcement that there needs to be a severe training wheel mode that is the default for newbies....

Juanita

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/18448#Comment_18448

Morris Proctor, who is a great instructor, puts out dvd's and other materials for sale.
I think the video tutorials should be included in L4 not as a separate purchase.

Since L4 is a new product, I imagine the easiest way to do this would either be to license new videos from MP or to bring him onboard as a regular Logos employee. Of couse, it would be possible for Logos to begin to issue their own materials in competition with MP, but I'm not sure Logos would want to do that.

Logos does put out video tutorials on their website and they are very helpful but the issue is timing. If I recall correctly, it took them months before they had really gotten them up and running. There are some for beginners, intermediate and more advanced.

Juanita

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/18456#Comment_18456

Ok....test at lunch time here at work.

I have a friend who is a bit of a newbie to bible study. He's smart; has a degree in mechanical engineering, is pretty software savvy also.

He knows i have bible study software and all he does is read and look at a commentary once in a while.

I sat him down in front of v4's home page and just said: "now what do you think you should do?"

Yes, exactly. That was going to be my next step with my husband-show him version 3 and not because I am pushing version three but because I am trying to isolate just what it is the new user needs to know in order from him/her to have a feeling of both challenge and success when they first use the program. As experienced users, we already are sold on Logos Bible software because we see results and have those moments of "serendipitous discovery".

And what Ted said about the home page, was what sold me on Logos software. It is a winning, engaging display and both organizes and summarizes what is now at the fingertips of the user. A whole new world opens up. And if you love to study the Bible, how can you not love Logos Bible software?

Ted Hans

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/18478#Comment_18478

Ok....test at lunch time here at work.

I have a friend who is a bit of a newbie to bible study. He's smart; has a degree in mechanical engineering, is pretty software savvy also.

He knows i have bible study software and all he does is read and look at a commentary once in a while.

I sat him down in front of v4's home page and just said: "now what do you think you should do?"

Yes, exactly. That was going to be my next step with my husband-show him version 3 and not because I am pushing version three but because I am trying to isolate just what it is the new user needs to know in order from him/her to have a feeling of both challenge and success when they first use the program. As experienced users, we already are sold on Logos Bible software because we see results and have those moments of "serendipitous discovery".
And what Ted said about the home page, was what sold me on Logos software. It is a winning, engaging display and both organizes and summarizes what is now at the fingertips of the user. A whole new world opens up. And if you love to study the Bible, how can you not love Logos Bible software?

Hi Joan,

Your observation is like mine and i have written about this somewhere in this forum. I am glad someone other than i is making this observation. So take heart, you are not alone in your observation.

Kind Regards,

Ted.

P.S. Please Logos a customised V3 home page on V4.

Juanita

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/18481#Comment_18481

Thanks, Ted!

Ken McGuire

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/18468#Comment_18468

In Logos' defense, when I got the version 3 upgrade, it included a CD of training videos, and the Beta already has links to training videos on the help menu. They are for version 3 still, but that is an obvious enough thing that they will fix when the time is right. Also, the recent betas have had significant improvement in the basic reports, which makes it easier for new users.

That said, the results you get can be, well, unexpected if you don't have the favorite book settings set right. The release version needs to come out of the box with results that make sense. This either means that Logos has a sense of picking defaults other than Alpha order, or there is a setup script that walks the new user though setting these favorites. The present system where we have to make sure we have five of each type of book is not a realist option for the release.

Back in "Logos 4 Philosophy" Bob pointed out that there are only a limited number of peope who are tech savy enough to really be interested in the under the hood stuff that we all are used to handling in Libronix, and so that is why it takes care of all that stuff for us. Admittedly, I come from a Main-line background, but in my experience there is also a very limited number of people who are used to anywhere the detail of bible study Logos offers, since they already know what the bible says...

By speading up whole library searches with "best" results coming first, Logos 4 is a step forward, but while I LIKE having all the reports open when I type in a reference, it does take a lot of screen space and is not obvious what exactly all those things are.

Rich DeRuiter

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/18456#Comment_18456

"What in the heck am I looking at?"

I thought the same thing when I saw your screen. I don't see anything like that when I open from the home page. The Bible that I have open, is the last one I had open before switching to the home page, or that was open when I closed L4. Apparently you had the LGNTI open. That interlinear, with all the lines open, confuses and intimidates me, and I've been working with interlinears in Logos since version 2.x.

This is an unfair comparison. Try closing all Bibles but an English Bible, then open from the home page and see if your friend finds it a little more accessible.

Simon’s Brother

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/18421#Comment_18421

Quite frankly, I am coming to the conclusion that the reason the majority of beta testers do not find v. 4 difficult to use is because they truly have brilliant minds. And I am not in that group; v. 4 is difficult to use for me and it is not because I have used v. 3. It is because I do not have a lot of time to do things by trial and error and learn from my errors. I would prefer to read something on "why prioritize and how to" and something on "how resources are organized, e.g. subsets to search on". And when I first get the software, not wait months until videos are posted or have to pay a lot of money for training.

I wonder how many other people are out there who have never participated in the forums/newsgroups that have purchased a package from Logos and never made another purchase of resources because they found the program difficult to use and hard to learn. I am just determined and stubborn enough to have hung around because I do love the software.

Joan, I am far from the sharpest tool in the shed around here either, there are many more learned and seminary trained people around here than myself. I would say I feel very comfortable working with computer applications in general and don't have a lot of difficulty working out new ones but I have not all been comfortable with working with L4. For me its not so much the information that is presented but the way to go about things in order to get things done. That said I can see the majority of people in my bible study group would not at all be excited by L4 they would not have a clue as to where to start with all the information that got thrown up at them after entering a passage in the home page box. L3 offfered I think a much better usser controlled entry into the program allowing the user to dermine whether they wanted their bible study to start with the works or just a simple bible and commentary or even just a bible to read. L4 you presented with a whole lot of information thrown up at you in what was not apparent to me was suppossed to be mimicking a newspaper and then when you get over that and work out you are suppossed to enter a passage in the box it gives you bible study on steriods...and thats great I like that and many of us beta testers like that..but someone new to bible study software who is unsure of the benefits of using such an application...I am not sure it is really going to make the right first up impression upon them. i.e. the average person in my bible study group they will consider opening up their favourite commentary alongside their bible a much easier method...now someone who is a more of an academic type, who has a defininte reason to use bible study software, or the person like you or me who really wants to take their bible study a little further and explore wider topics, then they might be willing to stick it out a bit longer if they have a real desire to learn how to make use of such software. The L4 bible study on steriods with the works or nothing at all approach I think is not going to catch the needed entry points into bible software for all potential new users.

Simon’s Brother

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/18456#Comment_18456

Ok....test at lunch time here at work.

I have a friend who is a bit of a newbie to bible study. He's smart; has a degree in mechanical engineering, is pretty software savvy also.

He knows i have bible study software and all he does is read and look at a commentary once in a while.

I sat him down in front of v4's home page and just said: "now what do you think you should do?"

He said.."Well it says type a passage here so I will"

When he typed the passage, this is what he got...it was overwhelming. His words...not mine:

"What in the heck am I looking at?"

then I launched v3 and asked him what he thought. He said that the interface is more what he would be comfortable with; Passage guide, Bible and commentary. When he clicked bible and commentary and that came up he said "yes! that's what I'd expect to happen!"

This is the perfect example of the difference between L3 and L4 entry points into the use of bible software study...L4 is on steriods you get all or nothing..L3 you get a choice....I am not sure the average person in my bible study group would care for the exegetical guide or what it was presenting them or the informaiton window for that matter....I do I apprecaite them because I am not a new user of this sort of application...but someone who is uncertain if this sort of thing is really for them....it my be a case of Hi Ho Silver, away and never to use again....because its to much to quickly...which is a shame because the will be missing out on a really useful piece of software that can actually be softened up and then later when you are ready open the floodgates of information. To me L4 at the moment reminds me of neverous kid trying to make a good first up impression, maybe on the girl he likes, but in doing so just blurts it all out to quickly and the girl gets the wrong impression.

Robert Pavich

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/18486#Comment_18486

This is an unfair comparison. Try closing all Bibles but an English Bible, then open from the home page and see if your friend finds it a little more accessible.

I did exactly that. I had an english bible open. He came into my office. I closed all down but the home page and asked him to tell me what he thought...after he typed in the verse....that's what he saw....LOTSA STUFF!

For the record; I just did it 2 minutes ago with another "non bible software using" christian and his reaction was the same..."Why don't I just get a bible and a commentary...what's all this other stuff?"

and part of the reason that I did this was to see if he'd even know what to do on the home page....it took about 2 minutes before he realized that he was supposed to type in a passage...and all that other stuff he didn't expect...he expected to read the passage #1 and also have a commentary there along side him to help.

I ALSO ASKED if he thought that after he got comfortable that he'd be fine with "taking the training wheels off" and he said "probably yes"

J.R. Miller

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/18494#Comment_18494

These stories are exactly why Logos needs to have a "Video" home page for the first time users install. On the first time starting up, the user can play a video that shows the basics of what is the home page, where do I open a bible, and basic getting started info. After the first time, the video helps MUST be built into logos help. After all this beta testing, there are still features I am not sure how to use and all the text help is not helping. I need to see it working to understand it. I predict that without good help videos people will not respond well to v4 release. Which would be a shame, because I think it is a wonderful program that improves on v3.

Jacob Hantla

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/18549#Comment_18549

I ran the same test on my wife, who uses my Logos v3 infrequently. She sat down in front of V4 and I asked her to start her studies for the day. She guessed how to start (by typing a verse in), and it didn't do what she expected, but within a few minutes she had her study bible open and her bible where she wanted it. She was very confused by the right-click menu but caught on with some teaching. When I asked her if training videos would help..."probably, if I'd watch them, but I don't like to have to take a class to learn how to work it."

The first page made no sense to her at all. Without prompting, she wondered why the homepage wasn't used to help her get started with using the software. This was my initial impression as well...I continue to view the homepage as more of an interesting than a helpful feature.

Gabe Powell

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/18549#Comment_18549

These stories are exactly why Logos needs to have a "Video" home page for the first time users install.

I second Joe! A video home page for first-time install would go so far in helping new users.

TCBlack

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/18227#Comment_18227

but we will give advance notice here on the forums so that you can tell me it is too soon, and then I can explain why we need to release it anyway and promise that we'll add those important missing features ASAP, and then, I hope!, you'll all be ready on release day to twitter, blog, and generally say nice things to encourage a massive number of upgrades and new purchases, thereby funding our ongoing development and the near-term release of the things that should have made it into the first release but didn't.

Are you with me? :-)

Of course I'm with you Bob, but can we please have more than a two day notice. :-)

Since I'm still waiting on artwork and workflow in some areas to finalize I'm not doing my screenshots and walkthroughs yet.

I'm certainly hoping to spend a few days writing up a massive review and walkthrough complete (I hope) with a few video's and demonstrations. But I will need time to actually begin and finish.

Of course in the interest of scandal and sheer web traffic I'd love to post the whole thing about 24 hours before you announce it. [;)]

Simon’s Brother

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/18788#Comment_18788

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and sheer web traffic I'd love to post the whole thing about 24 hours before you announce it.