Logos asks, what do you wish you could search for, but can't?
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Graham Criddle said:
I don't know if these are complete - I very much doubt it -
Think about what canon they use and you have your answer.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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I'm not sure if this example is within the scope of what you are asking about.
But, sometimes one can find a passage that seems to shed light on a question that may be in the back of my mind. I would like to be able to search the general concept even though different words may be used to decribe what one is looking for.
A specific example would be Philipinans 3:21, where with verse 20, indicates that we will be transformed to be like His glorious body. It would be interresting to be able to search the Bible on what that means and where else it talks about the same thing. Searches using like sun gives Matt 13:43, Matt 17:2, Rev 1:16, Rev 10:1 Searches using like him gives Matt 13:43, Philippians 3:21 and 1 John 3:2 Searches using transform gives Philippians 3:21 and 2 Cor. 3:18. All these passages seem to be related to the subject, but could they, and others be found in one search? Also, could references to this be located in other source material.
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Bob Pritchett said:
(If you've ever had to query an SQL database, you understand the problem. The real power is in the SQL, but it's complicated and requires a knowledge of the underlying table structure. So we write forms and interface for generating reports. But then users can only write queries that are structurally supported by the user interface. A novel query that joins on multiple tables, and wasn't anticipated by the UI designer, is impossible without resorting to the SQL language. In this case, we're talking about exposing the underlying query language -- and complexity. It's no substitute for a good user interface, and a poor solution for simple queries, but it allows you to do things you simply could not do any other way.)
Bob, there are several of us who find SQL far simpler than some of the oddities of the UI - bring it on.[8-|]
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:
Bob, there are several of us who find SQL far simpler than some of the oddities of the UI - bring it on.
Very diplomatically phrased, MJ!
Dave
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Personally would like to group Bible Word Study by case usage (e.g. nominative, dative, ...)
Dave Hooton said:MJ. Smith said:Bob, there are several of us who find SQL far simpler than some of the oddities of the UI - bring it on.
Very diplomatically phrased, MJ!
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In addition to what I've already said I wanted (and I still really, really want those things), I'd love to be able to search a field called "Messianic Promises/Prophecies" and search for all of them in the Major Prophets, Minor Prophets, outside the prophets, etc. This would be really handy this time of year! Related would be a field called. I'd like to search that field for the concept of the promise of a messiah coming, and another for what the messiah will do when he comes. I would like it to include prophecies that contain multiple fulfillments (as the one in 2Samuel 7:11b-16)
Another one might be lists of virtues/vices where the two occur together, or where they don't. Then I'd like to be able to compare all the Pauline lists and find the overlaps and uniquenesses.
Another one might be where certain things are used as metaphors/simile's. And be able to search for every instance where "light" (e,g,) is a metaphor for God's imminent presence, and compare them with instances where light is a metaphor for wisdom, insight, and/or virtue.
There are some other limited searches that could be handy, but are probably summarized in other resources, like the 7 "I am's" of Jesus in John, or the "Faithful Sayings" in the Pastorals.
A bit more difficult would be the 'songs' of the Bible. Some of these might be debatable (e.g. Col 1:15-18--cf. NA27), and of course the book of Psalms is full of them, as is Isaiah. But what about the songs in Biblical Narrative, as in the Lucan nativity stories, or (just picked randomly) the lament for Abner in 2Sam 3:33-34. Then I'd like to search within those songs for type (lament, praise, etc.), and perhaps content (Lord/Yahweh/God [or other divine reference], man/people, glory, 1st person singular/plural, etc.).
I'd love to be able to do the same as above for the prayers of the Bible.
This next one is not an SQL database thing, so maybe this one doesn't apply directly to this thread: Another thing I'd like to do is to click on an English phrase in an RI, or an original language phrase from a Greek or Hebrew Bible and have an option to do a search on the lemmas of all the Greek/Hebrew words in that phrase. I'd like to have the option to search for this as a phrase (without regard to case, gender, tense, voice, mood, etc.), or simply where these words all occur in the same verse, or near each other (but I can manipulate those results after the simple lemma list is sent to the search panel).
Help links: WIKI; Logos 6 FAQ. (Phil. 2:14, NIV)
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Richard DeRuiter said:
A bit more difficult would be the 'songs' of the Bible. Some of these might be debatable (e.g. Col 1:15-18--cf. NA27), and of course the book of Psalms is full of them, as is Isaiah. But what about the songs in Biblical Narrative, as in the Lucan nativity stories, or (just picked randomly) the lament for Abner in 2Sam 3:33-34. Then I'd like to search within those songs for type (lament, praise, etc.), and perhaps content (Lord/Yahweh/God [or other divine reference], man/people, glory, 1st person singular/plural, etc.).
I'd love to be able to do the same as above for the prayers of the Bible.
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In the meantime the Forms of Old Testament Literature Series, a comprehensive collection of Westermann, Patrick D. Miller's They Cried to the Lord... get us a bit of the way there ... oops some still need to be added to Logos[;)]
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Sam Henderson said:
I want this: I want Logos to do a better of job of the kind of condensed searching that Libronix used to do under the heading "Topic Browser". I want an elaborated / subheaded index of all the index pages of all the the books in my 1000 plus Logos library. It seems such a simple thing to implement, but it is so far preferred to the hundreds/thousands of undifferentiated and useless word occurence matches that pour out from any search that I do under Logos now.
I agree with Sam. I really like the opportunity to do the things that Bob is talking about but think that they should be put later on down the priority list until simple things like
1. Searching headings
2. Better prioritization of results
3. Being able to generate lists of word frequency within a selection of textare addressed.
I'm excited about the option of keeping the more massive databases in the cloud for these searches but don't want to be limited to the cloud. I think that some of the features of "basic" search that users are utilizing everyday should be addressed as a priority.
Jacob Hantla
Pastor/Elder, Grace Bible Church
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I would like to ask:
What are the declarative and absolute statements that Jesus makes about himself? (Cf. The I AM statements of John's Gospel...)
John
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MJ. Smith said:
Okay, I've had more time to think about it.
I'd like to search lectionaries and prayer books finding all the uses of a particular scripture AND what scriptures are used with it.
I'd like to search for scriptural reference near my input passage - within the same parenthesis, the same sentence, the same list, the same paragraph ...
I'd like to search for groups of words (e.g. rhetorical terms, grammatical terms, ...) near references i.e. rhetorical terms, grammatical terms, ...
I'd like to be able to navigate search terms results a WordNet approach
I'd like to search for strings of cross-references i.e. I ask for Xrefs for passage 1 [from study Bibles please] and it gives me a set of passages ... and the passages xref'ed to the first results .... and the references xref'ed to the 2nd results ... Study Bibles tend to have more reliable links and link to a broader canon
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I'm with those who would rather see Logos development spend more time on things that have already been requested (both for search and other promised features such as PBB, requested feature improvements, bug fixes, etc.) than coming up with new things not yet dreamed of for search.
My number one priority is being able to search for a word or phrase that shows up within major section headings in monographs, and/or to be able to search just in the Tables of Contents of all my books. Currently it is next to impossible to find monographs that have major coverage of a particular topic. This is a huge need.
Also finish implementing the search fields for all books in the Logos catalogue. Search for text in the author field should work in all multi-author works, whether journals or monographs, for example.
EDIT: added more...
Also ratchet up the speed with which you're continuing to implement LCV across a large number of books in the catalogue.
And continue fixing the metadata problems so that limiting searches will be more accurate.
Add the ability to restrict a search to any library filter (e.g., author:Calvin) on the fly without having to first create a collection with that criterion.
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Rosie Perera said:
I'm with those who would rather see Logos development spend more time on things that have already been requested (both for search and other promised features such as PBB, requested feature improvements, bug fixes, etc.) than coming up with new things not yet dreamed of for search.
My number one priority is being able to search for a word or phrase that shows up within major section headings in monographs, and/or to be able to search just in the Tables of Contents of all my books. Currently it is next to impossible to find monographs that have major coverage of a particular topic. This is a huge need.
Also finish implementing the search fields for all books in the Logos catalogue. Search for text in the author field should work in all multi-author works, whether journals or monographs, for example.
EDIT: added more...
Also ratchet up the speed with which you're continuing to implement LCV across a large number of books in the catalogue.
And continue fixing the metadata problems so that limiting searches will be more accurate.
Add the ability to restrict a search to any library filter (e.g., author:Calvin) on the fly without having to first create a collection with that criterion.
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Jacob Hantla
Pastor/Elder, Grace Bible Church
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Rosie Perera said:
I'm with those who would rather see Logos development spend more time on things that have already been requested (both for search and other promised features such as PBB, requested feature improvements, bug fixes, etc.) than coming up with new things not yet dreamed of for search.
My number one priority is being able to search for a word or phrase that shows up within major section headings in monographs, and/or to be able to search just in the Tables of Contents of all my books. Currently it is next to impossible to find monographs that have major coverage of a particular topic. This is a huge need.
Also finish implementing the search fields for all books in the Logos catalogue. Search for text in the author field should work in all multi-author works, whether journals or monographs, for example.
EDIT: added more...
Also ratchet up the speed with which you're continuing to implement LCV across a large number of books in the catalogue.
And continue fixing the metadata problems so that limiting searches will be more accurate.
Add the ability to restrict a search to any library filter (e.g., author:Calvin) on the fly without having to first create a collection with that criterion.
I would also generally second these sentiments ... especially the problem with searching and/or creating a collection of an author's work, when that author has numerous papers in Journals/Books of Collected Papers/ and Dictionary articles. (I think it is related to whether multi-part resources (like journals or books of papers or dictionaries) can be treated as multiple (user defined / partitioned?) resources - although I am sure there are other ways of tackling this problem.
Having more resources with the "heading:" tags would help, as would the "author:" tag working on part resources.
Another desire of mine, although not strictly related to searching, is the use of a general resource language, in every reference in every resource, so that all references automatically become cross-references when the target resource becomes available. If there was ambiguity, I wouldn't even mind resolving it on the fly (although, ideally, only once for a resource - not for every reference).
Thanks for listening.
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More precise searching is a great direction
I would like to see places where a SPEAKER [user defined] is speaking TO someone else [user defined]. For example: places where King David speaks to the Lord; places where Peter speaks to Jesus; places where Jesus speaks to: scribes or Peter, or the Father or the disciples.
Also, structural aspects of a particular test: Is there a Chiasmus
or a signal that there is a break or beginning in the text (ie - vayyiktol). I would like to see the Logos team come up with ways for us to search out any / all of the grammatical forms, structures that are mentioned in the important Grammars and textbooks (both Hebrew and Greek) as well as improving Logos' ability to accurately create all the visual filters mentioned in the Logos Learning Hebrew / Greek videos and other resources.
I would also like to be able to direct a search so that it searches my HISTORY, so if I read something yesterday but didn't notate it, I can just search the books / range of pages that I had open in the last few days.
Thanks, great and exciting plans
Oh, one more thing: a way to combine "search in" parameters such as checkboxes to combine Collections / Open Resources / or some other groupings.
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Rosie Perera said:
I'm with those who would rather see Logos development spend more time on things that have already been requested (both for search and other promised features such as PBB, requested feature improvements, bug fixes, etc.) than coming up with new things not yet dreamed of for search.
I'm for the specific resources need to work on indexing, performance and bugs do so. But I also like someone doing a bit of R&D for the next phase.[:D]
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:Rosie Perera said:
I'm with those who would rather see Logos development spend more time on things that have already been requested (both for search and other promised features such as PBB, requested feature improvements, bug fixes, etc.) than coming up with new things not yet dreamed of for search.
I'm for the specific resources need to work on indexing, performance and bugs do so. But I also like someone doing a bit of R&D for the next phase.
Yes, Bob tends to work on 5 year plans so we shouldn't be too alarmed[:P]
Dave
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One search request is that there be a way of going to a resource and searching that. I often find I have a resource open which I am working with, and I want to do a simple search on it. There is even a nice little box to type my search into ... except it doesn't take searches!!
I know I can open a search tab, and then select the resource in question ... but that is not the natural way I want to think about it. Typically I will have more than one resource open, so I will have to be more specific than all open resources. However, if there was a search box for each resource, the mere fact of typing in that box would indicate which resource I wanted to search.
I hope this is not too simple a request, as I would like it very much.
Cheers,
Steve
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Are you on Mac or PC? There is a search this resource function on the PC side - click on the book image in the upper left hand corner or go to the wiki for function keys to find it.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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A challenge for your programmers: I'd like to search for "Q", as in the somewhat hypothetical Q document, but not get every other "Q" in existence...
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"Q saying" works pretty well if you turn off match all words.
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Whilst I appreciate that more advanced search capabilities would be useful or even vital to some users. I would like to see more work dedicated on updating some of the excellent resources we already have with LCV which will improve the topic type searches that frustrate many of us. In particular I would like to see the IVP Black Book Dictionaries and resources like the Dictionary of Biblical Imagery updated. At the moment these types of topic searches are not as easy as they were in Logos 3 was and I think should be a priority before extending the searching capabilities.
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I just wrote up this post requesting a return of the Fuzzy Search feature from L3, but an even smarter one: http://community.logos.com/forums/t/28390.aspx. Then I realized it probably belonged here instead, if you're still reading this thread, Bob, which I hope you are. There have been some great additional suggestions in the past few days.
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Paul Meathrel said:
I would like to see more work dedicated on updating some of the excellent resources we already have with LCV which will improve the topic type searches that frustrate many of us. In particular I would like to see the IVP Black Book Dictionaries and resources like the Dictionary of Biblical Imagery updated.
Those resources will all be part of the next LCV update.
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Sean Boisen said:
Those resources will all be part of the next LCV update.
When can we expect this update - RSN?
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Paul Meathrel said:Sean Boisen said:
Those resources will all be part of the next LCV update.
When can we expect this update - RSN?
Our usual placeholder for planning purposes is "yesterday" [;)]
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Subject or subjects of a Scripture or passage.
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We can't do that right now?
Robert Pavich
For help go to the Wiki: http://wiki.logos.com/Table_of_Contents__
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Prov. 15:23
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It would be nice to be able to search for hapax legomenon or other infrequently occurring words without knowing them first.
Prov. 15:23
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Rosie Perera said:
I'm with those who would rather see Logos development spend more time on things that have already been requested (both for search and other promised features such as PBB, requested feature improvements, bug fixes, etc.) than coming up with new things not yet dreamed of for search.
My number one priority is being able to search for a word or phrase that shows up within major section headings in monographs, and/or to be able to search just in the Tables of Contents of all my books. Currently it is next to impossible to find monographs that have major coverage of a particular topic. This is a huge need.
Also finish implementing the search fields for all books in the Logos catalogue. Search for text in the author field should work in all multi-author works, whether journals or monographs, for example.
EDIT: added more...
Also ratchet up the speed with which you're continuing to implement LCV across a large number of books in the catalogue.
And continue fixing the metadata problems so that limiting searches will be more accurate.
Add the ability to restrict a search to any library filter (e.g., author:Calvin) on the fly without having to first create a collection with that criterion.
YES. ALL of the above. Well spoken Rosie.
Windows PC - Android Phone - Surface Pro 4
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When I search for a word in the Gospels, I'd like the results to be arranged in such a way that I can see at a glance if the word is part of the same pericope.
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Bob,
I am a seminary student and while I was reading one of my textbooks it made reference to Augustin's City of God. I knew I had seen that somewhere in my library before and wanted to find it. As it turns out this is a source within a source (The Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers Vol. II) and no search tool I tried would bring it up. Since there are many resources in my Platinum Library that are embodied in other sources it would be great if I could search these out when needed.
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Donald Quigley said:
Bob,
I am a seminary student and while I was reading one of my textbooks it made reference to Augustin's City of God. I knew I had seen that somewhere in my library before and wanted to find it. As it turns out this is a source within a source (The Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers Vol. II) and no search tool I tried would bring it up. Since there are many resources in my Platinum Library that are embodied in other sources it would be great if I could search these out when needed.
I put together a note file, "Alpha Church Fathers", which might help. You can find it in the "Files" forum. It may not be my most recent edition since I have been updating it from time to time. Also, since we cannot yet share notes, you will need to put it into the L3 Annotations folder and import it into L4 (probably cleaning things up afterward).
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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Any way to identify the many pronouns in Scripture? Sometimes they may be ambiguous, but there are times where a "he" or a "they" or an "I" are clearly known. In these cases ... a search for the name of a person might show all the places where that person is referenced in a pronominal form. All the names of those (represented by pronouns) which receive the action of God / Jesus?
Also, more specific chronologies.Timing is everything
Ie- years between Kings of ISRAEL? How many years before the "cleansing of the Temple" was the middle wall restricting access of Gentiles built? how many years from Sennacherib's futile invasion to Antiochus Epiphanes' / till Titus's invasion? Simpler front end: Cascadia type searches - all the "subjects" in Philippians. All verb phrases in Jn 15.
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Ron Corbett said:
Any way to identify the many pronouns in Scripture? Sometimes they may be ambiguous, but there are times where a "he" or a "they" or an "I" are clearly known.
There is evidence that Logos is working on this type of project http://www.semanticbible.com/other/talks/2010/BibleTech-NTReferents/main.html
Prov. 15:23
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I ordered and paid for a book that is no longer in print. It is for a friend of mine who is a personal friend of the author (now deceased). I tried to download it, but wasn't successful. How can I get it? Thanks.
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Are you / is she a Logos 4 user? If so, the license needs to be in her name and the book would be downloadable only on her account.. You may need to contact customer service.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Carole Massey-Reyner said:
I ordered and paid for a book that is no longer in print. It is for a friend of mine who is a personal friend of the author (now deceased). I tried to download it, but wasn't successful. How can I get it? Thanks.
Carole, books from Logos are downloaded automatically by the Logos software. If you purchased a book with your account, it is licensed to you and isn't easily transferable to another person.
You should call customer service and explain what you are trying to do. They'll be able to help you in ways that we cannot here in the forums.
MacBook Pro (2019), ThinkPad E540
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Donald Quigley said:
Bob,
I am a seminary student and while I was reading one of my textbooks it made reference to Augustin's City of God. I knew I had seen that somewhere in my library before and wanted to find it. As it turns out this is a source within a source (The Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers Vol. II) and no search tool I tried would bring it up. Since there are many resources in my Platinum Library that are embodied in other sources it would be great if I could search these out when needed.
YES! This is a search that I often would love to do but can't. Please separate out books within books and allow us to search within them.
Jacob Hantla
Pastor/Elder, Grace Bible Church
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Donald Quigley said:
I am a seminary student and while I was reading one of my textbooks it made reference to Augustin's City of God. I knew I had seen that somewhere in my library before and wanted to find it. As it turns out this is a source within a source (The Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers Vol. II) and no search tool I tried would bring it up. Since there are many resources in my Platinum Library that are embodied in other sources it would be great if I could search these out when needed.
Donald (and others reading this who might be interested): Jacob has now added a specific feature request relating to this on UserVoice. Please take a look at it and vote for it if you like the idea: http://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-4/suggestions/1402517-better-control-of-multi-book-volumes-works
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Something I've sugested before is to make use of the wordbook database of semantic relations. So I'm searching for the word "elation" I could also search for synonyms (words that mean the same, like "high spirits"), antonyms (opposite, like "depression"), hypernyms (more general, like "joy"), and hyponyms (more specific like "euphoria").
But before you do that, speed up the parts of Logos that are so slow, they are unusable.
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I was wondering if after you did a search, and instead of doing another search you could just do a click and search what you already have? Kind of like a making a pyramid until you have refined it to the point you want. Or another way of putting it search the search results.
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Mathew Haferkamp said:
I was wondering if after you did a search, and instead of doing another search you could just do a click and search what you already have? Kind of like a making a pyramid until you have refined it to the point you want. Or another way of putting it search the search results.
Yeah, like the new "faceted" searching on the Logos website! That would be awesome!
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Rosie Perera said:
Yeah, like the new "faceted" searching on the Logos website! That would be awesome!
Yes!
Robert Pavich
For help go to the Wiki: http://wiki.logos.com/Table_of_Contents__
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I would like to be able to restrict a search to just the results of a PG-like search. For example, I want to be able to narrow a search for a particular word or phrase down to only where it appears in places in my commentaries where they are discussing Mark 8:15. Currently the only way to do that would be to do a PG on Mark 8:15 with a Commentaries section in it, then open each one of those resulting commentaries in turn and do Ctrl+F to look for the word in question. In this case I'm looking for commentaries which tell me which Herod the Herod mentioned in Mark 8:15 is. I know I can find that particular detail out through Biblical People, but this is just an example of the power such a search would provide if it were available. Find out which commentaries mention X when they are discussing such-and-such a passage.
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Rosie Perera said:
For example, I want to be able to narrow a search for a particular word or phrase down to only where it appears in places in my commentaries where they are discussing Mark 8:15.
Yes! I've very often wanted to do a search for something like: term1 IN section:term2 thus restricting my search to terms that appear in articles with a particular headword or reference - be it commentaries, dictionaries or whatever.
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