Selection of note file
When adding a note to a text, the choice is presented of adding it to one of the currently open note files (or, perhaps to the last opened one if none is open). I would suggest that when no note file is open or even when one or more note files are open there be another option -- the "other" option. If one chooses the "other" option there would then be a fly-out from which it would be possible to select from any of the note files already created.
george
gfsomsel
יְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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George
I think this would be a very useful option - but I think I have heard that Logos are trying to minimise fly-outs in the UI.
Could be something for Uservoice?
Graham
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I like the idea too. In order to avoid a fly-out, perhaps if you click "other" they could expand it into a scrollable list of all the Notes files. Kind of like how other expandable things work in other parts of the UI (more >> in Passage Guides, for example).
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Graham Criddle said:
George
I think this would be a very useful option - but I think I have heard that Logos are trying to minimise fly-outs in the UI.
Could be something for Uservoice?
Graham
One more thing I think would be good to add to any fly-out to choose a note file would be to have the option of "New note."
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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George Somsel said:
One more thing I think would be good to add to any fly-out to choose a note file would be to have the option of "New note."
Yes! [Y] That could be done even if my suggestion for avoiding fly-outs were implemented. And I think that option ought to be on the menu from the beginning, not only after "other" is clicked. I don't like having to create new Note files first before being able to add notes to them.
This whole discussion applies to Clippings files too.
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Rosie Perera said:George Somsel said:
One more thing I think would be good to add to any fly-out to choose a note file would be to have the option of "New note."
Yes!
That could be done even if my suggestion for avoiding fly-outs were implemented. And I think that option ought to be on the menu from the beginning, not only after "other" is clicked. I don't like having to create new Note files first before being able to add notes to them.This whole discussion applies to Clippings files too.
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This being said, I do believe that clippings (along with the sermon addin) needs to be merged with notes to create just one spot to store our information.
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tom collinge said:
This being said, I do believe that clippings (along with the sermon addin) needs to be merged with notes to create just one spot to store our information.
Perhaps I simply don't understand the purpose of clippings, but I never use them. It seems like it's simply "mini-notes." Too many mini-notes could get out of hand so that you have no idea what you have. I just put everything into notes and label my notes mostly by passage unless it's a sort of excursus (with a suitable non-passage label) linked to an existing note file. I rarely attach notes to other books -- normally they're the target of a note. Why do you use clippings? Perhaps I might use them if I saw a real value to them.
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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George Somsel said:
Why do you use clippings?
They're a quick way to collect snippets of content from a variety of resources into one place. I suppose I could use Notes for them (copy from a resource, Add Note, and paste into that note). But once the Clippings file is open, adding more clippings to it is one step instead of three if you copy that content to a Note instead. Either method gives you the opportunity to add your own annotations to or around the content, but clippings are most convenient if all you want to do is collect the content. Think of it like the old old fashioned method of doing research for a paper, where you'd make up a bunch of 3x5 cards and copy quotes out of your books onto these cards, with the bibliographic citation at the top of the card. If it was a really long quote you might have to staple two or three cards together. And you might have used some sort of keyword system or filing system to organize all your cards. Well, Clippings are the new way of doing all of that.
I must confess I'm not using Clippings yet either (apart from test documents and a really nice TOC for the Early Church Fathers collection that I made by taking clippings of the TOCs of each volume; I know that info was available elsewhere from you in fact, George, but I like how the formatting looks in Clippings; however they are awfully slow!!! [:(]). On the other hand, I'm not really using Notes much yet either.
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George Somsel said:tom collinge said:
This being said, I do believe that clippings (along with the sermon addin) needs to be merged with notes to create just one spot to store our information.
Perhaps I simply don't understand the purpose of clippings, but I never use them. It seems like it's simply "mini-notes." Too many mini-notes could get out of hand so that you have no idea what you have. I just put everything into notes and label my notes mostly by passage unless it's a sort of excursus (with a suitable non-passage label) linked to an existing note file. I rarely attach notes to other books -- normally they're the target of a note. Why do you use clippings? Perhaps I might use them if I saw a real value to them.
George,
We are in the same boat. I too do not see the value of clippings. I too only use notes. I use notes more as a file cabinet to store information so that I can link the information back to the biblical text.
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George Somsel said:tom collinge said:
This being said, I do believe that clippings (along with the sermon addin) needs to be merged with notes to create just one spot to store our information.
Perhaps I simply don't understand the purpose of clippings, but I never use them.
I use clippings in the same way I used 3 by 5 cards in college - okay I'll admit to using larger cards as I advanced through college. I could achieve the same thing with a copy and paste into a note but I find reading through clippings can be a nice devotional.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Well I really don't, but I'll tell you how I would use them if I needed them: Research papers.George Somsel said:Why do you use clippings?
Just like the old notecards I can see putting myself in reading mode for a term paper and just hammering through article after article and tossing note after note into a clippings file, without slowing down to do much more than make a small annotation here or there as needed.
Of course then what would be needed (for me) would be a quick export to some document format (.DOC) which pasted every clipping file with the reference data as a footnote. At that point I could edit to my little hearts content.
That's just my imagination mind you and I already see problems, but that's where I envision them being useful to me.
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Oh yes.... and as for the original suggestion, I'm all in favor.
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MJ. Smith said:George Somsel said:tom collinge said:
This being said, I do believe that clippings (along with the sermon addin) needs to be merged with notes to create just one spot to store our information.
Perhaps I simply don't understand the purpose of clippings, but I never use them.
I use clippings in the same way I used 3 by 5 cards in college - okay I'll admit to using larger cards as I advanced through college. I could achieve the same thing with a copy and paste into a note but I find reading through clippings can be a nice devotional.
Wasn't it hard putting much information on even a large note card with a felt marker? [:)] Sorry, the devil made me do it.
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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George Somsel said:
Wasn't it hard putting much information on even a large note card with a felt marker?
It would be no problem for the guy who engraved the Lord's Prayer on the head of a pin.
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Rosie Perera said:George Somsel said:
Wasn't it hard putting much information on even a large note card with a felt marker?
It would be no problem for the guy who engraved the Lord's Prayer on the head of a pin.
With a felt marker ? Amazing !!
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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George Somsel said:Rosie Perera said:George Somsel said:
Wasn't it hard putting much information on even a large note card with a felt marker?
It would be no problem for the guy who engraved the Lord's Prayer on the head of a pin.
With a felt marker ? Amazing !!
Who said notes on note cards had to be taken with felt marker? If the microscopic pin engraving expert didn't help you envision how it might be done, how about Ernest L. Blystone, the guy who could write large amounts of text on a single grain of rice or a piece of paper the size of a postage stamp? Practice and patience, that's all it takes.
But I'm sure glad we don't have to take notes on 3x5 cards anymore!! [:)] I used to keep stacks of them in my desk, but I almost never use them anymore. Even the more recent use I made of them (as bookmarks) has fallen by the wayside, since I do much of my reading on the computer now.
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Going back to George's original idea:
George Somsel said:When adding a note to a text, the choice is presented of adding it to one of the currently open note files (or, perhaps to the last opened one if none is open). I would suggest that when no note file is open or even when one or more note files are open there be another option -- the "other" option. If one chooses the "other" option there would then be a fly-out from which it would be possible to select from any of the note files already created.
I agree [Y][Y]
This was not meant to be critical of subsequent discussion of clippings, for I thought that was also worthwhile. I just wanted to add my vote to the original proposal.
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