Notes: How do they work, where do they go, what am I supposed to do with them?

After two months of beta testing (give or take) I'm almost ashamed to admit that I'm just now trying to figure out notes. I have long used another method of note taking and I'm attempting to see if L4 Notes can be functional for me. So far It just doesn't work the way I want to.

Now it appears that notes is hopelessly convoluted and disconnected both from the ways they are created as well as the way I bring them back.

1. I can create a note document, right click a book anywhere and send a note there. Great I know where to find it. (I think).

2. I can create a passage guide and click little note entries, make notes and I never see them again? Where do I see these notes? Why - when I create a note on a passage guide for a scripture passage (e.g. Luke 1:1-4) do I not see a note icon in my bible at that reference?

When I close my passage guide where do my passage guide notes go?

Ok, I've tested by closing everything and running another passage guide and my notes come back there, But how can I get to them without running a passage guide? Clearly all my notes should be related to the passage for which the PG is run, why not append the notes in an icon to the Bible text?

I'm confused Hmm

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Todd Phillips

I've always assumed that those notes were notes about the content of the passage guide, not the passage. Like which commentaries are most helpful, and so on. So they only make sense in the context of the PG.

TCBlack

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/22875#Comment_22875

Fair enough, I can't imagine ever using them then. Just not the way I work I guess.

Thanks for the feedback Todd.

Rich DeRuiter

To see a note in a Bible, the note must be attached to the Bible at that passage, not the PG at that passage. Notes in PG's (I didn't even know you could do this), would only show up when the PG guide for that passage is open, in the same way that a note on a Bible passage would only show up when that Bible is open to that passage.

I don't know why anyone would want to save a PG, but if you take some notes on which commentaries were particularly helpful (unhelpful) for that passage, this would begin to make sense.

Notes are attached to the documents/resources in which you create them. So you only see them when those documents are open. In L3 (at least) you could attach a note to a passage (i.e. verse), which would enable you to see the note in any version. I have not tried to do this in L4, so I can't tell you if it's possible. I take all my primary notes on my preferred Bible.

George Allakhverdyan

Yea the notes tabs inside the guides are meant to be notes particular to that guide/section. If you save a note for a particular section in a guide, and then later run a guide for the same exact passage/verse or whatever, the notes you wrote previously would show up. A notes document is completely different and does exactly what Richard said it does except that it is particular to the bible you are viewing, they will not be carried across bibles.

Bob Pritchett

Clearly all my notes should be related to the passage for which the PG is run, why not append the notes in an icon to the Bible text?

This is a good idea I hope we'll implement in the future.

But the primary goal was to takes notes in guides about the guide content; we figure you'll use "regular" notes for annotating the text.

In the Passage Guide there's weak motivation for this -- maybe commenting on the most useful commentaries, for example.

In Bible Word Study it makes more sense. If you takes notes on your study of the word, then every time you run a guide on that word again -- even from a different passage -- you'll get those notes. That's a much better place to put word related notes, because if you attach them to one instance of a word in a note you'll never see that note on any other verse, just the one where you first took it.

(This feature was in response to our observation that many people had a note file attached to references and then a second note file attached to nothing in which the title of each note was a word.)

Also, as we build more guide sections that you can use in customized guides, you might start using a guide as a type of sermon starter/outline, making notes on the guide more useful.

TCBlack

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/22914#Comment_22914

In the Passage Guide there's weak motivation for this -- maybe commenting on the most useful commentaries, for example.

In Bible Word Study it makes more sense. If you takes notes on your study of the word, then every time you run a guide on that word again -- even from a different passage -- you'll get those notes. That's a much better place to put word related notes, because if you attach them to one instance of a word in a note you'll never see that note on any other verse, just the one where you first took it.

That clarifies a lot Bob thank you. I note now that if I run a passage guide on a verse that was part of the prior pericope that I get a link to my other PG notes as well. I'm beginning to see the usefulness of it, albeit limited.

Clearly all my notes should be related to the passage for which the PG is run, why not append the notes in an icon to the Bible text?

This is a good idea I hope we'll implement in the future.

Me too, it just seems a good idea. May I suggest that when you do implement it that instead of the little yellow square representing notes, that it's a small highlighted "PG" instead? That would immediately let me know what was going on.

spitzerpl

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/22914#Comment_22914

In the Passage Guide there's weak motivation for this -- maybe commenting on the most useful commentaries, for example.

Actually I can think of a really good motive for using them now. For instance, In the Cross references block I can add links to verses that do not appear. In the commentary section I can add links to Journals and book passages that do not show up in the commentary section. The problem is this is currently very difficult to do. Verses are easy enough bout I have to step outside of Logos to make a link to a journal and then paste it into the note section. Easier hyperlink creation would be very welcomed.

Even better would be a section in the passage guide that works like the "Hidden resources" section in the settings. Dragging a tab into the section adds a link to the location.

I agree wholeheartedly that there should be some way when looking at a passage in a Bible to know if there is a passage guide created for it. I have given this some thought in the past with scroll bar marks or color coded verse numbers. Whatever the method, this would make savable guides a very valuable addition to the L4 features.

Charlene

After two months of beta testing (give or take) I'm almost ashamed to admit that I'm just now trying to figure out notes. I have long used another method of note taking and I'm attempting to see if L4 Notes can be functional for me. So far It just doesn't work the way I want to.

Thanks, Thomas, for your confession! I too am in the same boat. I have never used notes due to the overall complaint by many and was hoping to start using them in L4. And I would want the notes connected to the verse, since that is the purpose of my studying, to see what the Word says!

Charlene

spitzerpl

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/23050#Comment_23050

And I would want the notes connected to the verse, since that is the purpose of my studying, to see what the Word says!

While notes can be attached to guides, they can also be attached to verses. Open a bible, highlight text, right click, add note to. These are stored in a standard note file (file>create note).

Charlene

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/23055#Comment_23055

While notes can be attached to guides, they can also be attached to verses. Open a bible, highlight text, right click, add note to. These are stored in a standard note file (file>create note).

Thanks, Philip, for being sure that I understood this, but I had already understood. I guess I was a bit unclear in my statement. What I was trying to communicate was that it was more important for me to have notes attached to the verse(s) (or to the word itself) rather than the PG. But thanks for taking the time to make sure I did understand!

Charlene

TCBlack

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/22914#Comment_22914

Clearly all my notes should be related to the passage for which the PG is run, why not append the notes in an icon to the Bible text?
This is a good idea I hope we'll implement in the future.

One more suggestion of the same sort:

I made a note on a clipping today and went back to review the book. I suggest that notes made on clippings also append themselves to the resource:

spitzerpl

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/22922#Comment_22922

Actually I can think of a really good motive for using them now. For instance, In the Cross references block I can add links to verses that do not appear. In the commentary section I can add links to Journals and book passages that do not show up in the commentary section.

I take this back. I thought passage guide notes could handle hyperlinks...they can not :-( They just looked like hyperlinks. Am I the only one that sees the value in being able to add your own resource links to a saved passage guide?

Sean Boisen

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/23113#Comment_23113

I'm hoping we will eventually support hyperlinks pretty much anywhere we accept text, including links within Logos 4 to other resources.