Is Themelios searchable by Bible citation?

Sam Henderson
Sam Henderson Member Posts: 166 ✭✭
edited November 2024 in English Forum

It's great to have Themelios at last. However, for the life of me I can't seem to make it receive searches by Bible reference, not does it appear to offer itself to reference by the Cited By tool.

What am I doing wrong with this text?

 

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  • Rosie Perera
    Rosie Perera Member Posts: 26,194 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Have you waited until Indexing is finished? Cited By won't work while Indexing is still going on. This is a new resource which I'm guessing you just downloaded, so this is most likely the cause of what you're seeing. Cited By works fine with Themelios on my machine, but I've finished indexing.

  • Ted Hans
    Ted Hans MVP Posts: 3,174

    I can't search Themelios by 'Large Text' or 'Heading Text'[:(]. If my
    memory is correct on this, I was under the Impression that all new
    resource put out (published) by Logos would be searchable by 'Large
    Text' and 'Heading Text'.

    This has proven not to be the case with this resource, another resource to add to the backlog of Items that needs attention.

    Ted

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  • Mark Smith
    Mark Smith MVP Posts: 11,845

    Ted,

    I searched by both of these last night.

    Be sure the drop down list under Search Fields is showing.

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    Bridgeport, CT USA

  • Ted Hans
    Ted Hans MVP Posts: 3,174

    Thanks Mark for the confirmation. I have finished Indexing but I can't search by Large Text. I am not sure what I am doing wrong.

    Ted

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  • Ted Hans
    Ted Hans MVP Posts: 3,174

    I am posting a screen pics, seems strange I can't search by Large Text. I am not sure what seems to be the problem, is there any solution to this? Thanks. Ted

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  • Ted Hans
    Ted Hans MVP Posts: 3,174

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  • Mark Smith
    Mark Smith MVP Posts: 11,845

    Ted Hans said:

    Help,help anyone help.Crying

    Click the Search Fields box and the drop down menu will appear.

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    Bridgeport, CT USA

  • Ted Hans
    Ted Hans MVP Posts: 3,174

    Thanks Mark, I have done as you suggested but no Joy. On a different resource I get this

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    but on Themelios I get this

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  • Rosie Perera
    Rosie Perera Member Posts: 26,194 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Ted Hans said:

    but on Themelios I get this

    image

    Hmmm, I get these search fields in Themelios:

    image

    Perhaps rebuild index would fix the problem for you. EDIT: Someone else was having odd search problems in Themelios too (different sort of problem than this though), and rebuild index fixed it.

  • Mark Smith
    Mark Smith MVP Posts: 11,845

    I think Rosie is right because what I get is a little arrow next to Search Fields and you don't show one. You need that to be able to get the drop-down menu.

    If you had diagnostic logging turned on when indexing was occurring I'd expect to see a crash log or a bunch of errors in the Indexer log. No matter, the only way I know to fix it is do what Rosie suggested and rebuild index. Sorry.

    image

    Pastor, North Park Baptist Church

    Bridgeport, CT USA

  • Ted Hans
    Ted Hans MVP Posts: 3,174

    Thanks Rosie for the response. Oh no not rebuild Index, at ten thousand plus resource this is going to take forever! I will set my PC to rebuild Index before going to bed tonight and let it run.

    Many thank for the suggestion and kind regards

    Ted

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  • Ted Hans
    Ted Hans MVP Posts: 3,174

    I think Rosie is right because what I get is a little arrow next to Search Fields and you don't show one. You need that to be able to get the drop-down menu.

    If you had diagnostic logging turned on when indexing was occurring I'd expect to see a crash log or a bunch of errors in the Indexer log. No matter, the only way I know to fix it is do what Rosie suggested and rebuild index. Sorry.

    Thanks for the help Mark. So rebuilding index it is. Blessings

    Ted

     

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  • Mark Smith
    Mark Smith MVP Posts: 11,845

    Ted Hans said:

    Oh no not rebuild Index, at ten thousand plus resource this is going to take forever!

    I can help you with this. Just transfer the licenses for 7,000 or so of your resources (I'll be glad to get more specific) to me and I will index them. [I]

    I would not want to have to do this for the 99 Themelios volumes.

    I wonder if you tried deleting them from your Resources folder whether Logos would then re-download them and try to reindex just those 99??? Its worth a try.

    If you haven't done so, enable permanent diagnostic logging to give development a clue about what might be going on should you not be alone with this problem.

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    Bridgeport, CT USA

  • Rosie Perera
    Rosie Perera Member Posts: 26,194 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If you haven't done so, enable permanent diagnostic logging to give development a clue about what might be going on should you not be alone with this problem.

    Yes, save your Logos4Indexer.log from now before you start reindexing overnight, as it might contain some clues as to why the indexing failed. You are not the only one who had to force a full reindex after Themelios downloaded.

  • Ted Hans
    Ted Hans MVP Posts: 3,174

    I can help you with this. Just transfer the licenses for 7,000 or so of your resources (I'll be glad to get more specific) to me and I will index them. Idea

    Ha,ha,ha that's funny.

    Ted

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  • Otto S. Carroll
    Otto S. Carroll Member Posts: 693 ✭✭

    Ted Hans said:

    ...at ten thousand plus resource this is going to take forever!

    WOW!!!! [:O] [Y]

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  • Ted Hans
    Ted Hans MVP Posts: 3,174

    Yes, save your Logos4Indexer.log from now before you start reindexing overnight, as it might contain some clues as to why the indexing failed. You are not the only one who had to force a full reindex after Themelios downloaded.

    Will do, Rosie. Thanks.

    Ted

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  • Rosie Perera
    Rosie Perera Member Posts: 26,194 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Ted Hans said:

    Yes, save your Logos4Indexer.log from now before you start reindexing overnight, as it might contain some clues as to why the indexing failed. You are not the only one who had to force a full reindex after Themelios downloaded.

    Will do, Rosie. Thanks.

    Ted

    Actually, why not post it here now. We might find some errors in it that we could pass on to Logos devs.

  • Mark Smith
    Mark Smith MVP Posts: 11,845

    Ted Hans said:

    ...at ten thousand plus resource this is going to take forever!

    WOW!!!! SurpriseYes

    He isn't getting all that much sympathy is he? [;)]

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    Bridgeport, CT USA

  • Ted Hans
    Ted Hans MVP Posts: 3,174

    Hey Otto, remember you've got the Columbia Encyclopaedia and some of J.I. Packer's resource in your library which only an elite few are privileged[;)]. These resource are missing from my library.

    Ted

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  • Otto S. Carroll
    Otto S. Carroll Member Posts: 693 ✭✭

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  • Ted Hans
    Ted Hans MVP Posts: 3,174

    Actually, why not post it here now. We might find some errors in it that we could pass on to Logos devs.

    Sorry Rosie for the late response. For some unknown reason to me, my PC kept crashing when I tried to upload the Logos Logs.

    Ted

     

    7268.Logos4Crash.txt

    6204.Logos4Indexer.log

    0724.Logos4IndexerCrash.txt

     

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  • Dave Hooton
    Dave Hooton MVP Posts: 36,339

    Ted Hans said:

    For some unknown reason to me, my PC kept crashing when I tried to upload the Logos Logs.

    If the indexer log is the latest then it recognises that 127 resources need to be indexed but does nothing. It also implies you have a supplemental index (which you can check in Windows Explorer), so the cure will have to be a reindex  ie rebuild library index. Ensure logging is enabled before you start.

    Dave
    ===

    Windows 11 & Android 13

  • Ted Hans
    Ted Hans MVP Posts: 3,174

    If the indexer log is the latest then it recognises that 127 resources need to be indexed but does nothing. It also implies you have a supplemental index (which you can check in Windows Explorer), so the cure will have to be a reindex  ie rebuild library index. Ensure logging is enabled before you start.

    Many Thanks Dave, will do.

    Ted

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  • Mark Smith
    Mark Smith MVP Posts: 11,845

    Ted,

    All those logs date from April. May we assume the clock on your computer is set correctly? If so, those logs have nothing to do with yesterday's (or today's) problems.

    EDIT: I missed the middle one somehow. It is from today. As Dave said there is a note that 127 resources need to be indexed but no reason why the index process stopped.

    I'd still try deleting the Themelios files and seeing if a re-download will trigger a successful re-indexing.

    Pastor, North Park Baptist Church

    Bridgeport, CT USA

  • Ted Hans
    Ted Hans MVP Posts: 3,174

    Thanks Mark,Dave &Rosie for the help.Rebuild index solved the problem. Much appreciated and blessings.

    Ted

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  • Bradley Grainger (Logos)
    Bradley Grainger (Logos) Administrator, Logos Employee Posts: 12,191

    Hi Ted,

    Using your log file, we identified a bug in the software that would stop the indexer from processing newly-added books (and would produce the problem you were seeing). I don't yet know the full sequence of events that causes this to happen, but it probably involved indexing being cancelled on an earlier run of the program (possibly due to updated resources being downloaded and installed automatically).

    This bug will be fixed in v4.3. Thanks for posting your log files, and I apologise for the inconvenience of having to reindex your entire library to work around this.

  • Ted Hans
    Ted Hans MVP Posts: 3,174

    Hi Ted,

    Using your log file, we identified a bug in the software that would stop the indexer from processing newly-added books (and would produce the problem you were seeing). I don't yet know the full sequence of events that causes this to happen, but it probably involved indexing being cancelled on an earlier run of the program (possibly due to updated resources being downloaded and installed automatically).

    This bug will be fixed in v4.3. Thanks for posting your log files, and I apologise for the inconvenience of having to reindex your entire library to work around this.

    No worries Bradley, thanks and good to know that you will be looking to fix the bug for the next update.

    Ted

     

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