Logos Android on Kindle Fire?
I am a power user of Logos 4 in my study (desktop w/ two screens -- laptop for the classroom). When I'm on the road I have been using a Kindle for a lot of general reading. I try to travel light -- especially overseas, and have looked at moving up to a tablet for basic reading and some look-up tasks on the road.
Does anybody know if the cut-down Android system on the Kindle Fire will support the Logos Android beta?
Thanks
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Hi John. I don't think there's a definitive word on this yet.
Pastor, Cornerstone Baptist Church, Clinton, SC
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Hi John. I don't think there's a definitive word on this yet.
This is true, but the current version of Logos for the Android requires an SD card, which the Fire does not have.
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I noticed Vyrso is available on the Amazon App Store and recall hearing that the Logos Bible app has been submitted but I believe both use external storage (SD). With less than three weeks left until the Kindle Fire ships is there any chance of getting word as to if these apps will work with the Fire? I am a pastor and have two on preorder for myself and my son...
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Most likely the bigger question is whether Amazon will approve the app since it is a reading app and therefore somewhat in competition with their own Kindle app. I'm a bit surprised they approved Vyrso and not Logos (at least not yet) since Vyrso is more broadly a reading app vs. Logos which is more for study.
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So, will Logos run on a Galaxy Tab 10.1? It doesn't have an SD card either...
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I think that the Fire has a good chance of running Logos since it does have a 8GB internal drive. If tabs like the 10.1 Galaxy Tab can run it (no SD card), it should work.
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The Logos app is now available on the Amazon App market. That is a good start!
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Kindle Fire is being DELIVERED today. I expect mine at my door at 6:00 PM tonight.
Amazon just placed a new Android Logos App for the Kindle Fire in their App Store on Oct 19, 2011 here:
We should know by tomorrow if it will work properly. As soon as the Fire is received it must first be charged for four hours and then upgraded to Firmware Version 6.1.
The Fire has 8 Gb of on board memory. However, I surely will not want all my Logos books cluttering it up. Is there some way to just load the NIV, The Bible Knowledge Commentary and Easton's Bible Dictionary and ignore all the other resources? How much memory on the Fire would that take including the basic app? Also, will it index itself upon installation so I could rapidly locate different passages in the Bible? I have 8 Note files for Logos and would like to sync them down to the Fire as well.
On my PC Logos takes up 5.66 Gb in 900 files. If I can reduce the size to half that for the Fire, it would work just fine.
If it takes up too much memory, I'll just use it on my PC and use the Amazon Kindle specific Direct Verse Jump KJV, NIV and NET (with 61,000 publisher notes). They can do the minimum job but not as good as Logos, of course.
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I received my Kindle Fire this morning and the first thing I tried (after the prompted os update) was to download the Logos Bible app. I was surprised to see it was not listed among my apps (I have it on my phone) and when I searched the store from the device it did not show up. I confirmed it is still on the app store when using my phone.
I did manage to sideload the beta from this forum. You have to first go to the settings on the Kindle Fire under the device section and tell it to "Allow installation of applications from unknown sources". I then downloaded the .apk file and installed.
So far it seems to work OK. I downloaded the KJV and Believers Bible Commentary and did not have any problems. I will work with it more and let you know how it turns out.
Also, I tried posting this comment from the "Silk" browser on the fire but it would not allow me to input text into the comment box for some reason...
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Chuck,
Have you tried the Vryso app? Not sure of the spelling but I thought that that app was available for the Fire. I am very interested to see if it will work. Thanks for any update.
Don
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I did manage to sideload the beta from this forum. You have to first go to the settings on the Kindle Fire under the device section and tell it to "Allow installation of applications from unknown sources". I then downloaded the .apk file and installed.
So far it seems to work OK. I downloaded the KJV and Believers Bible Commentary and did not have any problems. I will work with it more and let you know how it turns out.
Thanks for letting me know about that. Can you determine how many Gb the Logos App uses on your Fire? Also, are there any delays when searching for specific verses? It appears you were able to select exactly which Logos resources you would download.
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logos is not on the Amazon Kindle Fire right now.
Dr. Kevin Purcell, Director of Missions
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Kevin, did you see Chuck's post three above yours? He says he needed to "sideload" it, but it works on his Fire
Have joy in the Lord!
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Logos can be sideloaded on the Kindle Fire as I described above.
I have not tried to load Vryso app as it is not in the Amazon store and I wanted to use the Logos app first.
As for performance and memory usage: The overall performance seems very good. As you may guess, books that are downloaded to the device are much faster to access than those on the "cloud". There is minimal delay when changing passages or even switching books in the passage guide, I would consider it very useable.
I have only downloaded a few books and did not calculate the space they took. I have quite a few apps and books downloaded on the device and I have 5.9 gig of the useable 6.5 available so I don't think it will be a big issue.
My initial impressions of the Fire are good and the Logos app seems to be a nice fit. I have not used any of the original language resources so I cannot comment on them. Searching seems speedy and I have not had any crashes in the 30 or so minutes I have used the app.
Edit: I just downloaded the "KJV Bible Commentary". The free memory before the download was 5.92 gig and after it was 5.89 gig.
I also downloaded "The Complete Works of Francis A. Schaeffer" which is a larger volume. Free memory now 5.88 gig... Odd that it dropped so little on that one!
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Thanks for that information. You sold me on getting the Logos App.
The Logos App can be ordered here for zero cost:
My Kindle Fire did not appear in the order block but when clicking on it, I received this message:
"What happens next?
After submitting your email address or phone number*, you will receive a message with a link to download the Amazon Appstore for Android."I also noticed on the Mobile Readers' Forum the following:
"There is an SD built-in to the fire for apps that need it. It isn't removable though, according to the dev pages."
Thus, it appears set up to allow the Logos App to function just fine.
If the Amazon App Store is already inside the Kindle Fire, it should work from there as well. My Fire has not yet arrived but is due momentarliy. The Logos App will be the first I try after charging and upgrading.
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My Fire has not yet arrived but is due momentarliy.
Okay guys, rub it in ... I took too long deciding to take the leap into e-readerdom. Mine is still "Shipping soon" with the 21st as the earliest predicted delivery date.[:'(]
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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If the Amazon App Store is already inside the Kindle Fire, it should work from there as well. My Fire has not yet arrived but is due momentarliy. The Logos App will be the first I try after charging and upgrading.
As I stated above, the app is on the store but will NOT show up on the Fire - I am not sure why. You have to download it through the browser on the Fire from the forum thread about the latest beta after setting your Kindle Fire to allow it.
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logos is not on the Amazon Kindle Fire right now.
I'll be looking forward to your full review, Kevin. You will write a full review somewhere, won't you? [H]
Pastor, Cornerstone Baptist Church, Clinton, SC
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As I stated above, the app is on the store but will NOT show up on the Fire - I am not sure why. You have to download it through the browser on the Fire from the forum thread about the latest beta after setting your Kindle Fire to allow it.
Android Market, here:
Shows Version 0.9.1 dated October 1, 2011, available for download. I presume, by allowing the fire to install non-Amazon apps, one could install this version as well using the Fire's Silk browser. Is the beta version here at the same level? What is the link to the beta version here?
Do you have any ideas when the Logos App will go Gold? I presume that Android Market version is also beta. Maybe Amazon is waiting for the app to go gold to allow it to be officially available at their App store.
Later: after I received my Kindle Fire I went to the Amazon Android App Store to the Logos App. My own device's name was there in the purchase window with an "X" next to it indicating its not yet compatible with the Fire. I'll just check that site and install it when the "X" is removed.
I also noticed that after loading songs to my Fire the PC shows there are 5 Gb available on my Fire but the Kindle Fire shows there are 6 Gb available. Evidently, that extra 1 Gb is the SD internal card for Android Apps which is sealed into the Fire. Thus, once Amazon decides the Logos App has gone Gold, then we should all be able to use it without problems.
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you can't download any apps from the android market place onto the Kindle Fire, only from the Amazon app store... the Logos app is on the Amazon app store, but for some reason you can't download it on the kindle fire from the Amazon app store, you have to side load it...
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I was able to get this to work but thought I would add a little more detail.
1. On the Kindle fire I browsed to the forum on the beta and clicked on the link for the beta. It does not show a download complete like I get on IE so did not even know it had downloaded it so I did it from my computer and was about to copy it via USB and figured out I had downloaded it three times as I kept clicking the link.
Here is that link from the other post http://downloads.logos.com/Android/Logos/beta/Logos-23.apk
2. I went into the settings, then Device, and as noted turned on allowing the 3rd party apps to install
3. I downloaded the Easy Install App from the Amazon App Store and ran it. Once I ran it it found the downloaded file and Logos installed and seems to be working fine. I have this on my IPad and the search actually seems to work better. I did note that at this time my Reading Plan does not appear.
Here is the link for the installer: http://www.amazon.com/INFOLIFE-LLC-Easy-Installer/dp/B004RDMXSI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=mobile-apps&qid=1321459139&sr=1-1
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Gene - THANKS SO much for your instructions. This is NO easy task, but I WAS able to get it . . and just in time to get familiar with it all on a convention trip.
For everyone else's sake, I certainly hope this process becomes much easier, but for now, it's good to know there IS a way to get Logos installed on Kindle Fire!
Thanks again.
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Logos was also an immediate install for me, and I side loaded as described above.
If you browse to the app on Amazon's website, it shows an X next to it indicating it's not compatible with the Fire. This is why it's not available directly from the App Store on the device.
It appears that the Fire soft buttons overlay the bottom row of Logos menu buttons, so I'm guessing this is why Amazon flagged it as incompatible. Hopefully, someone from Logos is testing it to make appropriate adjustments.
Personally...I'd love to see a nice Logos app optimized for the Fire!
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Logos was also an immediate install for me, and I side loaded as described above.
If you browse to the app on Amazon's website, it shows an X next to it indicating it's not compatible with the Fire. This is why it's not available directly from the App Store on the device.
It appears that the Fire soft buttons overlay the bottom row of Logos menu buttons, so I'm guessing this is why Amazon flagged it as incompatible. Hopefully, someone from Logos is testing it to make appropriate adjustments.
Personally...I'd love to see a nice Logos app optimized for the Fire!
helpful comments, John, thanks!
I like Apples. Especially Honeycrisp.
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It appears that the Fire soft buttons overlay the bottom row of Logos menu buttons
John, does this make vital features of the Logos app unusable?
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How are search speeds for the Logos Android App on the Kindle Fire? On my PC Logos gets to verses almost instantaneously since it has indexed itself there.
I've noticed on the Kindle Fire other Bibles specific to the Kindle used to index and have instantaneous access to verses on the 3rd Generation Kindle Keyboard WiFi but on the Kindle Fire they have NOT indexed and searches take a very long time for specific verses.
If Logos does not index on the Kindle Fire, then searches for specific verses will also take a long time.
Since Logos will be using an Android App, it should work fine. I'm temporily using the Tecarta NIV and KJV which is also Android and approved by Amazon and it works perfectly with instant searches.
Logos should be even better once it's Android App is approved by Amazon.
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I don't feel it makes it unusable but it would be nice to have fixed. The biggest problem is when you press and hold a word to do a "look up" you have to carefully tap the button that would perform a search as it is mostly covered. Other than that it is not a problem for what I have used to this point.
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The biggest problem is when you press and hold a word to do a "look up" you have to carefully tap the button that would perform a search as it is mostly covered. Other than that it is not a problem for what I have used to this point.
wonder if you'd be able to make a video of your use? it'd be an instant hit!
I like Apples. Especially Honeycrisp.
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helpful comments, John, thanks!
Dan,
I opened the app again tonight. It looks like the soft buttons don't cover the app menu on the home screen, but the soft buttons do cover the menu buttons on the text screen.
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I opened the app again tonight. It looks like the soft buttons don't cover the app menu on the home screen, but the soft buttons do cover the menu buttons on the text screen
How about the Logos speed of searches on the KIndle Fire for words and locations of verses? Are they as fast as on a PC or is there a noticeable slow down. It appears that the Kindle Fire inhibits indexing of eBooks. Logos definitely requires indexing on the PC.
It may be that Amazon has the Logos Android App classified as not yet suitable for the Fire for that reason. Once that problem is cleared, the Amazon Android Store will probably clear it for regular downloads by customers.
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