ICC : International Critical Commentary
To those who already have and use ICC: What makes this set valuable and useful to you compared to your other commentaries (given the average age of ICC volumes) ?
Do you find the whole set useful or just a very few specific volumes (and if so which and why ?)
On a first round of research it appears to be VERY expensive for a set with most volumes recieving only a lukewarm review and a low rating relative to other commentaries. The set could never have sustained such a high price if everone felt that way about it so there must be more to the story...... 
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Regarding your last question, your emoticon speaks volumes. Logos is obviously not a supply/demand equation.
And liking a commentary is very personal, which in this case can easily be checked by reading the older PDFs. The newer volumes of course would be author specific.
I buy a lot of the older volumes but recognizing that it's 'touch and go' ... ICC Exodus for example was a complete wash for me. I'd hate to throw a lot of money at 'touch and go'.
Community Pricing is just the opposite. It's also 'touch and go' but not much invested. A single good volume pays for the whole investment.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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David J. Wilson said:
most volumes receiving only a lukewarm review
I don't have the series nor is it on my immediate purchase list, but were the reviews a broad mix of reviews or a particular source?
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Well, I want it. However, the majority of the volumes are old and in public domain, but many of the old ones are still very good. The ICC was done by the very best scholarship of its day. I would like to have them in Logos, but agree those volumes are over priced.
On the other hand the set is being redone volume by volume, and the new volumes are magnificent in my opinion. Cranfield on Romas is the very best thing ever written on the book. Davies on Matthew, Thrall on 2 Corinthians, and I. Howard Marshal on the Pastorals are second to none.
I have three of the new volumes, and so I may just try to purchase the new ones, but they are expensive.
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Denise Barnhart said:
And liking a commentary is very personal, which in this case can easily be checked by reading the older PDFs.
Denise,
I agree with you. One thing, however. The public domain PDF's of the ICC are not very good. Because the ICC is based on the Greek text in the NT, the OCR used to scan these PDF's is pretty bad in the ones I tried to read.
Most of this commentary is older, but the newer volumes are great, and I wish that Logos would work a deal for just the updated volumes.
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Denise Barnhart said:
And liking a commentary is very personal, which in this case can easily be checked by reading the older PDFs. The newer volumes of course would be author specific.
Feast your eyes on the OT volumnes. http://publishersrow.com/eBookshuk/Book/International_Critical_Commentaries_ICC_Tanakh_Old_Testament_Hebrew_Bible/
george
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The reviews were whatever I could glean from the internet searching for reviews and rankings of various commentaries.
Difficult to rate any such sources as "unbiased" as each has their own perspective and the number of sites reviewing/rating ICC commentaries or ranking various commentaries is very limited.
My comment on pricing is not just related to the cost of the set from Logos, but also the cost of the printed volumes.
Is the cost based on the publishers recognizing that what they have is of interest or value to only a very few potential commentary purchasers, hence they want to recover their costs against a very small potential market who would find them useful, or is the set in reality of interest to a much broader audience but the publishers are stuck in a 1950s paper book marketting price paradigm ? They may as well stick with a set price in the $2000 to $3000 range if their only market is 100 copies a year or less to various institutional libraries and a price reduction to $500 may only sell 5 more copies a year. There are lots of low value high priced resources in institutional libraries.
The message I seem to be getting is that there might be a couple of volumes that people find useful but that the majority are disappointing.
On contrast there seem to be other sets of commentaries where there are many volumes that users are excited about and use often with only a spare scattering of mediocre volumes. So recognizing that no commentary set is uniform, where do logos users think the ICC sits as a set and are there any specific volumes that should be rated highly ?
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Thank you Michael and George for your advice.
I've downloaded the ICC pdf's and am pretty used to digging through the older texts.
And when I can't find something in my main commentaries I head for my ICC pdfs. So I'm not panning them; just the price.
I'll have to try out some of the new ones. I'm kind of thinking AYBC but also wondering whether it's worth the inconsistency.
I was thoroughly underwhelmed by Continental (but like Hermenaia).
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Denise Barnhart said:
I've downloaded the ICC pdf's and am pretty used to digging through the older texts. And when I can't find something in my main commentaries I head for my ICC pdfs.
I have ICC in PDF but have a hard time reading them because my eyesight gets weak sometimes. I have deduced I do want them in Logos whenever it becomes affordable for the moment. (restate that as ,"when Logos' sale price meets my available funds" simpatico??)
Denise Barnhart said:I'm kind of thinking AYBC but also wondering whether it's worth the inconsistency.
Any multi-volume commentary is going to have the jewels and the duds. Sometimes I find my favorite authors (Harry Ironside, for example) have their strengths and their weaknesses. But even the multi-author New International Commentary has some great writers (F.F.Bruce) and some not so impressive [:#]. I like AYB for it's wide breadth of perspective. I would not really want anything more liberal than AYB.
Denise Barnhart said:I was thoroughly underwhelmed by Continental (but like Hermenaia).
Sorry to hear that. I like Hermeneia and was looking forward to adding Continental to it.
Getting back on topic: I recommend scanning a few of the ICC volumes online. If you like what you see and it is affordable, get them in Logos.Just because a commentary is 100 years old does not negate it's usefulness. Ancient Christian Commentary (available from third party sellers) and Catena Aurea are proof of that.
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Well, on Continental (and obviously this is just one person's perspective), I too often find myself in Continental reading the long version of the Bible. Kind of a modern Targum if you will.
Using the 'arrow' key to move across resources on a passage (with the window title not providing many clues as to which commentary I'm in), I can always tell when I've hit Continental. Surprisingly they're usually pretty tame (meaning traditional).
ICC on the other hand can often be quite intriquing, and even more so when the older authors also write in some of our other Logos resources. I've seen some issues brought up in the older ICC's that more modern ones ran out of page-space for (I assume).
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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David J. Wilson said:
The reviews were whatever I could glean from the internet searching for reviews and rankings of various commentaries.
I put a lot of stock in the ratings at this website: http://bestcommentaries.com/
Because there is a likelihood of biased reviews, I tend to take the advice of my Pastor friends and Bible students I respect. As much as I like my forum family, there are the wildest differences in our preferences. [C] You can have a little peace of mind knowing Logos will refund your purchase if you discover you purchased a commentary that is horribly disappointing or heretical. [;)]
disclaimer: Hey Denise, I was writing this post while you were writing the one preceding it. I am in no way calling you or Continental Commentary heretical. I don't know either one of you well enough to make a call. [:P] j/k ) I still want Continental & I still enjoy your posts.
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Denise,
How does Hemenaia compare AYBC in your opinion. Which would you recommend if you had to chose?
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Regarding Hermeneia vs AYBC, easily I like Hermeneia.
First, of course, it's very affordable when on sale. And I appreciate publishers that periodically 'help out'.
Secondly if WBC leans a bit toward the conservative side, Herm leans a bit on the more liberal side, but both contribute pretty evenly to the various discussions on a passage.
Frankly, if I see Herm covers a passage, I want to see it and certainly WBC. And of course Herm covers some of the outliers (e.g. Enoch, Hermas, Apostolic Traditions, Didache, 4Ezra, apostolic fathers, Sermon on the Mount, and a critical edition of Thomas).
AYBC tends to be considerably more wordy and having to wade through, to find anything the others didn't mention. But I'd like to get it before Bob & Co begin to leave Libronix behind. It certainly can't be ignored.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Super Tramp said:
Because there is a likelihood of biased reviews, I tend to take the advice of my Pastor friends and Bible students I respect. As much as I like my forum family, there are the wildest differences in our preferences.
You can have a little peace of mind knowing Logos will refund your purchase if you discover you purchased a commentary that is horribly disappointing or heretical. 
The "heretical" ones are the ones I most often enjoy since they offer a different interpretation which should be considered. After all, I already know the traditional interpretation since I grew up with that so why should I be interested in a commentary which simply regurgitates the same-o, same-o?
george
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Michael Childs said:
Denise,
How does Hemenaia compare AYBC in your opinion. Which would you recommend if you had to chose?
DISCLAIMER: I am not Denise.
That would be a difficult question to answer since commentary sets are not completely even in their quality. I like Speiser's Genesis since it deals in many places with Ancient Near Eastern matters and is thus quite provocative. Hermeneia is, however, a good set too. Pace those who don't care for the Continental Commentaries, they are generally highly rated as well (even if they are more traditional).
george
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Denise Barnhart said:
I've seen some issues brought up in the older ICC's that more modern ones ran out of page-space for (I assume).
or took as "common knowledge" or traded space for a more current academic fad. Structuralism moving towards Deconstruction was the fad in my era. Fortunately, my prof was a European-trained philologist which provided a counter balance.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Super Tramp said:
if you discover you purchased a commentary that is horribly disappointing or heretical.
Are you sure they publish any that aren't heretical?[:P]
Sorry George, I forgot to check that the quote functioned correctly. I appear to be a very slow learner.
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MJ. Smith said:George Somsel said:
if you discover you purchased a commentary that is horribly disappointing or heretical.
Are you sure they publish any that aren't heretical?
I think you're quoting Matthew Jones rather than me here.
george
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I really want AYBC but I doubt they'll ever put it on sale.
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Maybe I have 'wishful-thinking-memory'. But many months back I got a top-secret email and indeed it had a 10% off AYB (woops ... I think I may have spilled the beans!!). At the time, I was a little tired of fake 'savings' from 'retail' and then someone got mad at me because I joked about good commentaries being $3000 and above (there not being any unless you use the fake retail price).
Maybe Logos will have mercy on me for my negativity! (Which unfortunately seems to continue!)
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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It really depends what you are looking for. IMHO ICC are good at what they claim to be, viz. scholarly historical-critical approaches to the text. I have several individual volumes in print which were bought for specific study projects. I also have a coupe of individual volumes in Logos.
As I said, it all depends what you are looking for. If you want a lot of historical background then they have considerable value, but if you are looking for a commentary which focuses more on the biblical text as a literary or rhetorical text, then ICC are less satisfactory. If you are looking for commentaries that provide homiletic or devotional material, then again ICC won't provide that.
Personally, I am not tempted by the special offer, as I doubt if they would ever repay their investment costs in terms of the usage I would get from them either academically or in bible study/sermon preparation.
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10%? Wow! What a bargain! Forgive me, please Denise. I'm thinking more along the lines of 30%. I know! It'll never happen.
Is negativity contagious?
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Denise Barnhart said:
Maybe I have 'wishful-thinking-memory'. But many months back I got a top-secret email and indeed it had a 10% off AYB (woops ...
Maybe when they saw who the secret offer was going to, they placed their thumb on the wet ink and smeared the 40% discount to make it a 10% discount. [:D]
[:-*] You should try offering them a deal where you only say nice things in your posts if they give you 40% off. (now I've gone and spilled the beans of my secret negotiating technique.) [:#]
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Just as I suspected! (I love Get Smart.)
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Denise Barnhart said:
Regarding Hermeneia vs AYBC, easily I like Hermeneia.
Thanks. Your comments were very helpful. I have WBC and NICOT/NT, and I think balancing those with Hermeneia would be good.
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Point well made.MJ. Smith said:
Are you sure they publish any that aren't heretical?Super Tramp said:if you discover
you purchased a commentary that is horribly disappointing or heretical.
Yes, that is when the fun starts. If I purged my Logos library of those dangerous books, I would only be left with a Bible. Imagine trying to hear from God with just one book!George Somsel said:The "heretical" ones are the ones I most often enjoy since they offer a different interpretation which should be considered. After all, I already know the traditional interpretation since I grew up with that so why should I be interested in a commentary which sim
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Super Tramp said:
I would only be left with a Bible. Imagine trying to hear from God with just one book!
Perhaps you should elaborate, its hard to understand you with your tongue in your cheek!
"For the kingdom of God does not consist in words but in power"
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Gee, Super Tramp. It's worse than you said.
Right off the bat, before anyone could suggest great Christmas specials, NO AYB!
I keep thinking 'naughty or nice' ... 'naughty or nice' ... 'naughty or nice'.
Mmmm .... which was it? Which 'n' caused them to pull AYB?
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Danny Baskin said:
10%? Wow! What a bargain! Forgive me, please Denise. I'm thinking more along the lines of 30%. I know! It'll never happen.
Apologies: not know about never happen.
One day in October had a Logos twitter sale that included ICC => Logos on Twitter
$ 974.95 => Hebrew Bible Bundle (54 vols.) (not a download, so add some shipping for CD's)
- - - - - - - Twitter sale was 50 % off $ 974.95 (bit less than buying HALOT and JPS Tanakh individually)
$ 769.95 => International Critical Commentaries: Old Testament (23 vols.)
$ 379.95 => JPS Tanakh Commentary Collection (JPSTC) (9 vols.)
$ 229.99 => Forms of the Old Testament Literature Series (FOTL) (17 vols.)
$ 159.95 => Hebrew and Aramaic Lexicon of the Old Testament (HALOT) (5 vols.)
Hebrew Bible Bundle nominally has 37 % discount compared to individual purchases; Twitter special offered 68 % discount.
Caveat: earlier this year JPS Tanakh Commentary Collection was on sale => http://blog.logos.com/2011/09/featured-commentaries-exodus/
Keep Smiling [:)]
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Denise Barnhart said:
Gee, Super Tramp. It's worse than you said. Right off the bat, before anyone could suggest great Christmas specials, NO AYB! I keep thinking 'naughty or nice' ... 'naughty or nice' ... 'naughty or nice'. Mmmm .... which was it? Which 'n' caused them to pull AYB?
Seems like you got TWO lumps of coal in your Christmas stocking! One called Anchor Yale Bible and the other called NICOT/NICNT. You must have been naughtier than we thought. [6]
I am a little skeered I'm gonna get coal too. Any chance we can have an Advent calendar sale or add Hanukkah to the 12 days? Things took a downhill turn tonight when the Pumpkin Bread came out of the oven..... I just want to be happy this Christmas!
Help Dan! don't make me choose.
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Logos seems to really be pushing the ICC; in addition to homepage promos, etc., I got a card via snail mail yesterday. Would somemone "bottom line" this for me? Is it or is it not worth $1200?
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Danny Baskin said:
Logos seems to really be pushing the ICC; in addition to homepage promos, etc., I got a card via snail mail yesterday. Would somemone "bottom line" this for me? Is it or is it not worth $1200?
Sell your first-born child and buy it.
george
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Danny Baskin said:
Logos seems to really be pushing the ICC; in addition to homepage promos, etc., I got a card via snail mail yesterday. Would somemone "bottom line" this for me? Is it or is it not worth $1200?
In my opinion, YES it is absolutely worth it! ICC in Logos cannot be compared to PDF's and hardback copies (which I was using before). I waited long for a good sale and picked up the Hebrew Bundle on the Twitter Daily Deal sale (it included the OT ICC). I had previously purchased the Matthew, Romans, Pastoral Epistles...and when ICC volumes started showing up on the Twitter Daily Deals I contacted my salesman to get a price on completing the set and took it. I'm glad that I did, even though it cost me a bit more doing it that way. Absolutely no regrets.
You do realize that if you purchase it you have 30 days to use it and determine if it is worth it to you. If you decide it is not something you value at $1200, you can return it and get a refund.
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Danny,
Logos has hyped the old ICC volumes (not the newer ones that have come out since the mid-seventies) through Twitter lately, too. I wouldn't buy a single one at half price.
I don't know you, your training, calling, or background, but my advice is to forget about it, especially if you were unaware or largely unaware of the ICC before all this promotion and have never looked at any of the volumes, I think you'd end up being disappointed in your purchase. If you don't know Hebrew and Greek, you'd be extra disappointed.
At one time ICC filled a spot that was not being filled by other commentaries. That has changed a lot in the last thirty-forty years and even the newest volumes of the ICC have significant competition. In most people's opinions there are superior volumes for every ICC volume, most of them available in Logos. Most of the ICC volumes you are buying are so dated they are only of interest to scholars, if even to them.
Save the $1200 and use it for resources you really have been looking at. If you are not proficient in Greek and Hebrew, look for less technical commentaries if that is what you feel you need. Lots of thread have been devoted to what those are.
$1200 is a lot to spend. Be convinced you need something before you spend that.
Pastor, North Park Baptist Church
Bridgeport, CT USA
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Mark,
Thanks so much for your help. Though some of the ICC NT volumes have appealed to me in the past, as I'm much more proficient with Greek than Hebrew, I've already got some great sets: NICOT/NICNT, NIGTC, Pillar, WBC, etc. I've also got quite a list of stuff I really want. I will definitely heed your advice and spend the money on those volumes I already have on my "wish list."
Peace,
Danny
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George Somsel said:Danny Baskin said:
Logos seems to really be pushing the ICC; in addition to homepage promos, etc., I got a card via snail mail yesterday. Would somemone "bottom line" this for me? Is it or is it not worth $1200?
Sell your first-born child and buy it.
George, my firstborn is a great kid but I don't think he'd fetch 1200!
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Does anyoone remember the price of the ICC on pre-pub? I didn't think that I had bought it prior to 2003, but it doesn't seem to appear in my history. I think $1200 is only about $200 above what I paid on pre-pub. Definitely a good deal for an after-pub.
george
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Danny Baskin said:
George, my firstborn is a great kid but I don't think he'd fetch 1200!
I seem to recall that we paid a fee of about $1000 to the adoption agency when we adopted my son. You could try. [;)]
george
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George Somsel said:
Does anyoone remember the price of the ICC on pre-pub? I didn't think that I had bought it prior to 2003, but it doesn't seem to appear in my history. I think $1200 is only about $200 above what I paid on pre-pub. Definitely a good deal for an after-pub.
Yes, I remember and you are right about the pre-pub price, George. And, I agree it is a good deal after-pub.
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Danny Baskin said:
George, my firstborn is a great kid but I don't think he'd fetch 1200!
I'm not too sure about that. I think we paid a $1000 fee to the adoption agency when we got our son. You could try. [;)]
george
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Mark,
Mark Smith said:At one time ICC filled a spot that was not being filled by other commentaries. That has changed a lot in the last thirty-forty years and even the newest volumes of the ICC have significant competition. In most people's opinions there are superior volumes for every ICC volume, most of them available in Logos.
Great advice, Mark,
But I do think some of the new volumes are very good. No one would be disappointed with Cranfield's Romans, for example. It is worth it's weight in gold. Sell something and buy it is my advice. Can't wait for the ICC volume that N. T. Wright is working on.
The three volumes I own are very good. Read reviews and buy selectively
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Michael Childs said:
But I do think some of the new volumes are very good. No one would be disappointed with Cranfield's Romans, for example. It is worth it's weight in gold. Sell something and buy it is my advice. Can't wait for the ICC volume that N. T. Wright is working on.
The three volumes I own are very good. Read reviews and buy selectively
I don't know what to do - the NT series is tempting, but $700 is still a lot of money, though having Charles' commentary in Logos would be great. Bernard is old but has good discussion on the authorship of John also, and sadly isn't available in internet archive or google. Maybe the buy selectively is the best way forward. I have seen mixed reviews on Cranfield. I wish I had used that instead of the disappointing Fitzmyer for a Romans seminar I was in, so that I could gauge whether it's worth purchasing.
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Super Tramp said:
Sometimes I find my favorite authors (Harry Ironside, for example)....
[Y] Not a ton of us old Ironside fans left
"I read dead people..."
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Michael Childs said:
No one would be disappointed with Cranfield's Romans, for example.
I suppose not unless he/she was looking for interaction with the new perspective on Paul. That said, I have Cranfield in print and frankly think you need Sanday and Headlam as well. Cranfield left things unsaid that they said well (I had S & H in print before Cranfield so got familiar with that work before I could afford to buy Cranfield. I certainly value Cranfield and that is one of a few volumes in the ICC I'd be glad to have in Logos. Give me a 40% discount on the ones I'd like rather than the set and I'd be buying.
For the right person, the ICC deal makes a lot of sense. Most of us can skip it and if we have some of the other popular sets in Logos (NIC, WBC, BECNT, Pillar, Tyndale) we'll be in fine shape.
Pastor, North Park Baptist Church
Bridgeport, CT USA
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Michael Childs said:
I agree with you. One thing, however. The public domain PDF's of the ICC are not very good. Because the ICC is based on the Greek text in the NT, the OCR used to scan these PDF's is pretty bad in the ones I tried to read.
I am mistaken in this. It is the ePub and Kindle versions of the public domain of the ICC that are terrible. The Greek and Hebrew are garbled in these. However, the PDF files are pretty good. I had not realized this.
I would say buy the updated ICC volumes and use the PDF files of the old ones.
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Michael Childs said:
I would say buy the updated ICC volumes and use the PDF files of the old ones.
If money is an issue (true for for most of us) this is indeed the best course of action.
I just cannot justify buying outdated commentaries at a premium
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I tend to agree with the general tone of this thread. ICC is a bit outdated and at $1200, way too expensive. I have used it from time to time, but no where enough to justify this kind of money.
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Michael Childs said:
I would say buy the updated ICC volumes and use the PDF files of the old ones.
That is what I had been doing prior to getting the full set.
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