Bought a Kindle Keyboard ....& Logos Biblia.com WORKS on it!
I decided to create a new post out of my answer on another thread.
I just got my Kindle keyboard a couple of weeks ago. I can access my Logos books on it via Biblia.com AND library.logos.com using the wireless router connection. You can use your computer to sign into these sites to see how much of your library would be available to read on a Kindle. I have a large library and 94 percent of it is available.
You can use the experimental browser to log into the sites.
I like using Biblia.com the best in "mobile view" since I can change the font size and it makes my Logos resources more like the other books that you can read on the Kindle. The drawback is moving from one screen to the next as you have to tab the "arrow cursor" to be over the arrows that advance biblia to the next screen. Advancing down the same screen works well with the "next page" "previous page" buttons. I have done passage guides using library.logos.com and they have worked fine. It takes some getting use to the Kindles way of navigating the pages, but it works and the more I use it the easier it seems to get. For a reader I am really liking it. The e-ink is much more enjoyable than a back lit screen.
Photos below are of the Kindle using the experimental browser logged into biblia.com. The book is ICC Romans by Cranfield. The first one is at 200% the second one is at 300%
I'm REALLY LIKING IT.
I can access every website that I have tried using the browser with my home wireless router.
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OK, cough it up. How do I connect? I haven't figured that out yet and I don't recall seeing any instructions on it (And you think Logos doesn't provide enough documentation? 
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Posted this in the other thread...
Press the Menu button (you can see this button in the photos in the top posting) and the following shot will pop up:
Select Experimental and it will take you to:
Select Launch Browser and it will search out nearby wireless routers. My home wireless router is password protected, so I had to put in the password to access it.
From there you can launch the browser and login to Biblia.com [:D]
YES - you can connect via the free 3G to anything you want - I've been using my Kindle for exactly this for months - in fact that is why I went with the Kindle over the NOOK - you can access the web, including the LOGOS sites on 3G.
I've used my first generation Kindle ever since library.logos.com was released to read Logos stuff. Never had a problem.
Jacob Hantla
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I've used my first generation Kindle ever since library.logos.com was released to read Logos stuff. Never had a problem.
Wireless, or 3G?
I've used my first generation Kindle ever since library.logos.com was released to read Logos stuff. Never had a problem.
Wireless, or 3G?
3g...probably been 2 years now without issues.
Jacob Hantla
Pastor/Elder, Grace Bible Church
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great news! 3g, by definition, is accessible via cellular data connection. So you may access Biblia.com, etc., even when away from a wireless hotspot but still within range of your provider's cellular towers.
"I read dead people..."
Yes, but I don't pay a monthly cellular fee for the 3G...Kindle gives it to Kindle owners to have access to their Kindle store of books...so...I don't yet know if the 3G can be used for anything other than the Kindle store yet.
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Found in the user agreement - "Your Conduct. You may use the wireless connectivity provided by us only in connection with the Service. You may not use the wireless connectivity for any other purpose."
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From reading this it looks like I thought it might...that the Kindle 3G service ("wireless connectivity provided by us ") is only to be used to connect to the Amazon Store not to use the browser with. Especially since they refer to their wireless carriers in the "Availability" section just beneath what you quoted. Using a home wireless network, is not using their 3G carrier provided wireless service. I am using the browser that came with the Kindle to access my Logos account using my wireless router, so therefore I'm not using their 3G service.
This makes sense, since why would they provide an experimental browser if they did not intend for users to use it with their own wireless internet connection (not their 3G connection)? The Kindle somehow has a direct connect to the Kindle store and you can get books downloaded without using the browser.
The experimental browser is a great addition to the Kindle, I hope they develop it further.
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It works!!b here in Albania. Now to see if I get a bill for 3G use....
I would strongly suggest keeping to the terms of their 3G carrier usage and use it only for the Kindle Store. If using their 3G for the browser, it looks like you could open yourself up to some huge bills or arbitration that could cost you plenty. [:|]
Use it where you can get a free wireless router connection and enjoy it. [:D]
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I bought and await the arrival of my non-3G Kindle Keyboard. I'm excited. I've been playing around with Biblia so that I can be more accustomed to it once I have to use it on the Kindle. Since the experimental browser allows one to access websites via the Kindle Keyboard, I wonder then how well it is suited for blogging... as I envision a scenario in which I research some topic in Biblia, and then blog the results in a blog posting along with Ref.ly links, etc... what a world that will be at my Kindle Keyboard fingertips...
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I researched the Kindle for months before I bought. The 3G is free for anything the Kindle can access (that includes any website that it wil open) - I have been using it for 9 months. There are no bills. You initially pay extra for the 3G version of the KIndle precisely for the 3G - it clearly states that there are NO monthly fees.
Within the license agreement it sets a $5 per week rate for international use and a $1 /GB data transfer rate for downloading "personal" files. Now all they have to do is convince a judge what data is "personal" and what data is not. The danger of opening yourself up to huge bills occurs when you connect to third parties. Amazon has stated the service access costs in the user agreement. And the very fact they issue a caveat about connecting with third party carriers proves they know you can and expect you will, connect to 3G carriers other than their own.
I really don't believe Amazon is trying to prevent 3G access to URLs other than the Amazon/Kindle.store. I think they are just insulating themselves from liability for huge bills from other providers. It would be hard to convince a court Amazon did not facilitate and intend for Kindle buyers to access multiple websites when the functionality was included and demonstrated in Amazon's documentation and marketed in comparison with the WiFi only models.
Of course, if all Kindle users start using the free 3G to surf the web and not buy books from the Amazon/Kindle.store, the economics of that business model will collapse and Amazon will have to implement access fees or termination of the service. (When a socialist system has more benefactors than contributors, it collapses. That is also why Logos must remain profitable to survive. [;)] And if we think Logos should operate as a ministry rather than a "for-profit" business, we should start sending contributions to support the new pricing model we want to see.)
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Notice that the User Agreement was last modified on September 28, 2011, just a few weeks before the new Kindle Touch WiFi/3G was released. It is my understanding that the 3G of the Touch has been modified to be used only with the Amazon Store and Wikipedia, while the WiFi is much broader in capability.
I've had my Kindle 3, now called Kindle Keyboard, for a year and use it on occasion to access biblia.com. There was nothing previously to give any pause in so doing. Frankly, browsing with e-ink and the fairly clunky non-touch K3 is not joyful experience. I suspect the data used is pretty inconsequential. The selling point was a one-time $50 fee for lifetime usage. Of course, with technology, "lifetime" is only a few years, at best.
It is suspected on the Kindle Boards forum that the Touch version makes for a friendlier browsing experience and may be behind Amazon's restricting the 3G use. That is why I kept my K3 and did not upgrade to the new Touch. Regardless, I definitely would not pay $50 just so I could download Kindle books when I am without WiFi connectivity.
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I tried to use Biblia.com on my WiFi Kindle 3 at church tonight. My pastor likes to, at times, use multiple Bible versions as he teaches. Sadly, the setup was too slow to keep up with him, even when he wasn't switching translations. For some reason the Amplified Bible was really hard pressed to keep up. It only displayed one verse at a time and was very unresponsive when trying to advance merely one verse at a time. My signal strength was 3 bars.
This is largely irrelevant with wifi - meaning that you should always have a similar signal strength in that building, in that spot. A cellular signal is different in that other factors (such as weather, cars driving by, etc) impact your signal strength. The real question is how many other parishioners were using wifi and how fast is the church's internet.
You were trying to switch translations? That would be cumbersome, but to be fair, try doing that with a dead tree version. [;)]
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biblia.com has been truncating chapters at least twice in Vyrso's Success is not an accident. I guess there may be a limit to the size of the chapter it can download, as the book works OK in L4, and someone has found it worked on biblia.com on his computer. Kindle does admit that the browser is experimental. I shall use it less as I may be missing out on great chunks of my books. Pity, as I like the epaper.
You will not get a bill - it is clearly included