Mormon Studies Collection
http://www.logos.com/product/16021/mormon-studies-collection
On community pricing.
Oh my word!
How cool is this, where else but Logos could you get such a marvelous resource without any risk that a penny will go to the LDS.
This is really exiting.
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Let's pick a low price and all go in together at that price point, so we can keep this from getting out of hand. Right now the projected price is right at the higher end of the spectrum, but it's early in the game so a few low bids could change that.
I bid $25. I could go up to $30 but I don't think more than that. What saith the hivemind?
Let's pick a low price and all go in together at that price point, so we can keep this from getting out of hand. Right now the projected price is right at the higher end of the spectrum, but it's early in the game so a few low bids could change that.
I bid $25. I could go up to $30 but I don't think more than that. What saith the hivemind?
The lower the better but if people always lowball it will never move into production, my personal view is that a realistic price is anywhere over $50. Just look at what you are getting here.
The lower the better but if people always lowball it will never move into production, my personal view is that a realistic price is anywhere over $50. Just look at what you are getting here.
Point taken but if you look at the spectrum they offer, this is one of the lower prices set to produce (which makes sense, if my assumption is correct that these works don't often directly reference Scripture or other Logos-offered books). Generally if something starts peaking around 1/3 of the way up the scale it will make it into production. Especially for something like this where it's all public domain, you're not going to get a lot of "sure, why not" bids at $50.
Point taken but if you look at the spectrum they offer, this is one of the lower prices set to produce (which makes sense, if my assumption is correct that these works don't often directly reference Scripture or other Logos-offered books).
I would think that these works will reference the book of Mormon extensively (which will itself form part of this collection) which presumbably will have to be referenced, hopefully we will find out soon. It will be rather fun wondering which book of Mormon to prioritize, I never thought I would be saying that.
Was hoping to see "Mormon Doctrine" by Bruce McConkie (sp), but it is probably still in copyright.
In at $30
http://www.logos.com/product/16021/mormon-studies-collection
On community pricing.
Oh my word!
How cool is this, where else but Logos could you get such a marvelous resource without any risk that a penny will go to the LDS.
This is really exiting.
I know!! The minute I saw the post flash on my newsreader, I rushed to the forums to post in excitement! I really want to see this get published soon, it would be an amazingly helpful resource for my almost daily conversations with LDS here. I am in at $30 (the current suggested price.) Let's see if we can't get this pushed through fast!
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Overview
At the turn of nineteenth-century came America's second Great
Awakening. Out of the ashes of this second awakening arose what would
eventually become one of America's largest and somewhat controversial
churches, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
"...and somewhat controversial..." [:|]
Only somewhat...? Overall description and book descriptions are too modest IMO and may cause some to think Logos is legitimizing Mormonism.
Overview
At the turn of nineteenth-century came America's second Great
Awakening. Out of the ashes of this second awakening arose what would
eventually become one of America's largest and somewhat controversial
churches, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints."...and somewhat controversial..."
Only somewhat...? Overall description and book descriptions are too modest IMO and may cause some to think Logos is legitimizing Mormonism.
It does come with a disclaimer:
NOTE: Logos Bible Software does not endorse the teachings in the Mormon Studies Collection. TheMormon Studies Collection is another tool for research within your library—especially for apologetics and comparative studies. Logos strives to carry texts that will allow you to better study the Word of God.
@ $25
I'm in at $30.
I’m impressed that Logos would be willing to put up the Book of Mormon for sale. I hope that with this set of reference books that people will read the whole verse from the Book of Mormon, or sermon, from the Journal of Discourses, and not the little blurb that they might read from a book that is against the LDS church.
I hope that with this set of reference books that people will read the whole verse from the Book of Mormon, or sermon, from the Journal of Discourses, and not the little blurb that they might read from a book that is against the LDS church.
I have always found it helpful to go directly to the source material when trying to discover what is really said. Not all critics are informed or honest.. (This goes for any controversial discussions.)
I have owned the Journal of Discourses as well as D&C, Pearl of Great Price, and Book of Mormon in my digital library for a few years. It will be nice to have much of the material in my Logos library.
edit: I am in for $20 to start $30 and will raise it as necessary near closing.
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I’m impressed that Logos would be willing to put up the Book of Mormon for sale. I hope that with this set of reference books that people will read the whole verse from the Book of Mormon, or sermon, from the Journal of Discourses, and not the little blurb that they might read from a book that is against the LDS church.
Well, I hope they will read "The Pearl of Great Price" and the many other extreme teachings of Joseph Smith and B. Young which contain their teachings that are far outside orthodox Christian boundaries.
Not intended as an attack, but this is a chance to see for oneself what the Mormon faith teaches, and its most unusual teachings are not in the Book of Mormon.
"In all cases, the Church is to be judged by the Scripture, not the Scripture by the Church," John Wesley
You are surprised? They offer the even more controversial Catholic collection.one of America's largest and somewhat controversial
churches, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints."...and somewhat controversial..."
Only somewhat...? Overall description and book descriptions are too modest IMO and may cause some to think Logos is legitimizing Mormonism.
Has it occurred to you that there are Mormon users of Logos? Just saying - don't assume that it's only of use for apologetics. We don't want to make Mormons stay in the "closet".
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
I am just amazed that people feel the need to defend and refute on this site. I understand that the content of our software leads us to think about religion, to include, to exclude. But this site is not about that. Most of us don't go through our day, checking who is Catholic/Protestant/Pentecostal/Mormon/Atheist/Hindu as we accept hamburgers and fries, buy a bus ticket, open the door for a person, yield for a merging car on the interstate, etc. In many cases, we can be thankful, grateful, and show love to all of them. Let's try a little more of that on this website, without worrying about if being nice and civil will compromise our own values and truth and staking out our plot of land--it doesn't seem to in those other instances I mentioned. Peace.
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I am just amazed that people feel the need to defend and refute on this site. I understand that the content of our software leads us to think about religion, to include, to exclude. But this site is not about that. Most of us don't go through our day, checking who is Catholic/Protestant/Pentecostal/Mormon/Atheist/Hindu as we accept hamburgers and fries, buy a bus ticket, open the door for a person, yield for a merging car on the interstate, etc. In many cases, we can be thankful, grateful, and show love to all of them. Let's try a little more of that on this website, without worrying about if being nice and civil will compromise our own values and truth and staking out our plot of land--it doesn't seem to in those other instances I mentioned. Peace.
I am all for being nice to everyone and not seeking to cause offence when it can be avoided but the idea that you can discuss LDS resources neutraly is just plain wrong. When we are considering the value of a Mormon collection the view of a Mormon should (in my humble opinion) be of little weight to both Logos and the customer base for a whole host of reasons. Coversely the view of a Mormon on Hambergers and fries is as likely to be as valid as anyone here, but the two situations are not analogous.
I am just amazed that people feel the need to defend and refute on this site. I understand that the content of our software leads us to think about religion, to include, to exclude. But this site is not about that. Most of us don't go through our day, checking who is Catholic/Protestant/Pentecostal/Mormon/Atheist/Hindu as we accept hamburgers and fries, buy a bus ticket, open the door for a person, yield for a merging car on the interstate, etc. In many cases, we can be thankful, grateful, and show love to all of them. Let's try a little more of that on this website, without worrying about if being nice and civil will compromise our own values and truth and staking out our plot of land--it doesn't seem to in those other instances I mentioned. Peace.
I am all for being nice to everyone and not seeking to cause offence when it can be avoided but the idea that you can discuss LDS resources neutraly is just plain wrong. When we are considering the value of a Mormon collection the view of a Mormon should (in my humble opinion) be of little weight to both Logos and the customer base for a whole host of reasons. Coversely the view of a Mormon on Hambergers and fries is as likely to be as valid as anyone here, but the two situations are not analogous.
Mike, while I still stand by what I said, I was my own victim of skimming the thread and conflating my perception with other threads when I replied. Most of the conversation here was fairly sane. I was thinking of other threads that went over the top. whether or not the "two situations are analogous" or not, i suppose I can leave that to you, but my point is, this is a software company that helps with Bible and theology study. I have thousands of works in this, with which i agree and disagree. I get what will be helpful to me in my studies. I don't feel the need to rant against X, Y, or Z. I am trying to point out that what Logos offers does not change my viewpoint or theology, just by offering it. This website and forum IS kind of like the hamburger check-out line. It's about how to use the software and about the resources the software company is selling. it's not the Harvard Yard or Areopagus or Mel's Diner.
I like Apples. Especially Honeycrisp.
The same with the Catholic Collection?I think it is clear that Logos intends these resources to be used for apologetic reasons - much like with the Islamic collection. I would have an issue with Logos marketing and labeling the Book of Mormon as a "Christian" resource. However, they have not - so I am fine with this collection.
Luther was the Father of the Reformation. EDIT: > Luther has been referred to as the Father of the Reformation. Have you studied why The roman church needed Reformation?Hey, Martin Luther was a Catholic!
I'm using "was" in a very strict sense here...
Reform:
1a : to put or change into an improved form or condition.
b : to amend or improve by change of form or removal of faults or abuses.
2: to put an end to (an evil) by enforcing or introducing a better method or course of action.
3: to induce or cause to abandon evil ways <reform a drunkard>
(Per Webster)
Martin Luther
"We here are of the conviction that the papacy is the seat of the true and real Antichrist...personally I declare that I owe the Pope no other obedience than that to Antichrist." (Aug. 18, 1520) Taken from The Prophetic Faith of Our Fathers, Vol. 2., pg. 121 by Froom. (In response to a papal bull [official decree]): "I despise and attack it, as impious, false... It is Christ Himself who is condemned therein... I rejoice in having to bear such ills for the best of causes. Already I feel greater liberty in my heart; for at last I know that the pope is antichrist, and that his throne is that of Satan himself." --D'Aubigné, b.6, ch. 9.
Luther was the Father of the Reformation. Have you studied why The roman church needed Reformation?
Need I remind you of the "Morningstar of the Reformation", John Wycliff? Or what about Jan Hus who read much of his writing and paid with his life? This was all before Luther. Of course, there was also Savonarola, but if my memory is correct, he was a bit of a kook.
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Point taken. Edited accordingly. It was not my intention to minimize the contribution of any other reformer. My only defense is that Luther is the one we were discussing. Now that Wycliff and Huss are included in the discussion, I might point out that they, also, saw the papacy as Antichrist. Thanks for pointing out my oversight.Luther was the Father of the Reformation. Have you studied why The roman church needed Reformation?Need I remind you of the "Morningstar of the Reformation", John Wycliff? Or what about Jan Hus who read much of his writing and paid with his life? This was all before Luther. Of course, there was also Savonarola, but if my memory is correct, he was a bit of a kook.
http://www.amazon.com/Martin-Luther-Father-Reformation-Signature/dp/0756515939
My only defense is that Luther is the one we were discussing.
May I remind you that this thread is on Mormon resources - not Luther, not the papacy etc.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
If people insist on harping on Reformed doctrine in a thread on Mormons, can we at least limit it to the Latter Day Saints Reformed Church? The Mormon Studies Collection is missing any coverage on that branch. I would surely welcome a few books explaining the differences.
What
Wycliff, Luther and the Popes have to do with this thread escapes me! [^o)]
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Logos 7 Collectors Edition
Looking at => http://www.logos.com/product/16021/mormon-studies-collection noticed Blood Atonement and the Origin of Plural Marriage: A Discussion has two authors, including: "Richard C. Evans was a member of the First Presidency of the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. He was later excommunicated from the Mormon Church for denying that God and Christ visited Joseph Smith."
Likewise noticed Mormon Studies Collection (45 vols.) has three volumes about systematic theology of Mormon doctrine.
... can we at least limit it to the Latter Day Saints Reformed Church? The Mormon Studies Collection is missing any coverage on that branch. I would surely welcome a few books explaining the differences.
Appears reformed branch has existed for 10 years, which is different than fundamentalist branch. Also
Searching Logos.com and Vryso.com for Mormon did not find any reformed nor reorganized Mormon resources; did find something to add to my wish list.
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[Y]Has it occurred to you that there are Mormon users of Logos? Just saying - don't assume that it's only of use for apologetics.
25 here....
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