Why I am starting to hate this software

After all the update I believe Logos has broken it's software.

I order this software 5 months back it opened fast and rocked. However after 3 or 4 major updates and countless little ones it takes 2 mins to open. I click on the Logos icon and then the logos 4 logo is on the screen for over a min before it launches, then I get a syncing prompt or preparing library screen which takes another min or so. Then another 20-40 sec or so for homepage to load.

1 out of 2 times when starting I am prompted for an upgrade. Upgrade of what I never know sometime it will tell me after the upgrade other times I have to search the forums.

I don't even like opening this software any more but for $600 I feel the need to at least try to use this pain in the neck software. Don't even talk to me about how it indexes my library every time it updates which locks up the software. So much for we only index once motto.

I am running a dual core celeron laptop and like I said before all these SP updates I had no issues now I think I had 3 or 4 SP updates . My laptop isn't slow it just that Logos4 has become slow after all these updates.

I am not trying to make anyone mad but, I really don't see why it takes so long to open, The only other piece of software that hates to open for me is Firefox which I compare to this.

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Don

Have you defragged / optimized your HD? Do you regularly clear cache files?

Rosie Perera

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/343075#Comment_343075

Have you considered turning off "Automatically Download Updates" in Program Settings? Then you have the choice to accept software updates only once every couple of months or however infrequently you want.

Mark Stevens

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/343076#Comment_343076

I still love this software but I must admit I have also noticed it is slower than usual and using more resources. Has anyone else noticed this?

NB.Mick

In addition to the hints from others: Did you perchance add the Perseus resources and other big resource counts to your Library? At least that was my experience regarding L4 performance - once I added these, I took a performance hit. Same again with Catholic Library Builder and the Catholic Scholar's package. My small Acer Extensa (I think it uses a single core Celeron) did well performancewise with up to 1000 resources. Now over 3000 I experience some things you describe - and others described in the forums before all these upgrades.

What is different now with the updates (since 4.5?) is that Sync2 openly works at the inital start of L4 - since one can bypass this, maybe Logos should contemplate putting some of this (as well as prefetching menu items etc) into background tasks that occur without being noticed by the user. Rosie has commented on this somewhere based on her Microsoft experience. However the small SPs shouldn't bother you - maybe they introduce performance improvements as well, and after all, you may turn them off. Bob (the CEO) commented that they have a larger than usual number of SPs to accomodate the companion side to the long-asked-for mobile sync functionalities.

There are some hints on the wiki regarding performance improvement - maybe these help you. Overall however, it seems that a machine that is spec'd more like that of a gamer or video amateur (i.e. fast and new processor [i7], super-fast HD with lots of free space, big memory, separate fast video processor with lots of own memory) would work better with Logos.

Rosie Perera

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/343080#Comment_343080

Here are some wiki pages with hints about speeding up performance:

http://wiki.logos.com/Logos_Running_Slowly

http://wiki.logos.com/Speeding_up_Logos_4_responses

Though frankly much of what is discussed in them I consider voluntary crippling of the software. You shouldn't need to limit your use of powerful software just because it's too slow when you're using it to the max. On the other hand, if you have a slower machine, it might be necessary in order to have a pleasant experience with the software. A dual core celeron laptop isn't exactly a "slow machine" but it's not among the top of the heap. Still, it's odd that everything would have been chugging along just fine when you first installed Logos and would have slowed down significantly just from a couple of recent updates, unless you're only talking about the startup experience, which is an exception at the moment.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/343077#Comment_343077

I've reached the point where I look at Logos 4 like I look at my wife's MG Midget: It looks good sitting in the garage and it's fun to play with sometimes but when you have to rely on it you realize how unreliable it is. Unfortunately, Logos 4 has been an experience in slow and glitchy performance from day one. I've upgraded both my computer and memory (now an i7 with independent video card) with only modest improvement. I like having access to all Logos' resources but I still can't get my head around why it's such a performance dog compared to every other program I use.

Mark Stevens

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/343096#Comment_343096

I know this might sound like a dumb question but would and upgrade from scholars to scholars Gold plus a number of large commentary additions slow performance?

Pastor Michael Huffman

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/343104#Comment_343104

I love Logos and have been using it since 1997, but my fear is that when other software (i.e., BibleWorks) that already focus on original text, begin to add other resources, which is just a matter of time, Logos is going to start hurting for business. I am suprised that Logos as not already lost some Mac users to other software like accordance. They need to do something to make this software faster and more reliable. I simply refuse to download an update until I read the forums and 10 times out of 10, people are having difficulties and many times, it is the same problems all over again. So I usually run a couple of upgrades behind.

I hate to use the same comparision, but I have a friend that works for Ford Motor Company. He said that they were constantly having problems with their diesel engines built by International. It was not until Ford broke ties with International and began to build their own diesel engines that Ford stopped having so many problems.

Maybe if Logos depends too much on Microsoft and the Microsoft programs are slowing it down and causing other incompatible problems, maybe they should create their own platform. I dont know, I am not a computer programmer, I am a pastor.

Shawn Drewett

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/343112#Comment_343112

I always tell my wife that Wal-Mart will "go down" one day if they don't do something about the 15-20 minute check out times. You can get what you want there, but you WILL have to wait for it. I avoid WM if I can get the items I want elsewhere-even if I have to pay a bit more for them. Why do I mind waiting? Because I know I can check out quickly at the dollar store, so why waste time at WM?

It may be a strange illustration but the point is "Logos needs to fix it's speed problem or they will lose business to faster software programs".

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/343096#Comment_343096

Gregg ... at least your wife has good taste. I thought your comment was so funny, since two years ago, we compared L4 to a jag sitting in the garage.

I do think, though, that like the absence of good help files and manuals, a good set of company advice on what drags L4 vs makes it go would have been nice. Every time I see one of these threads, I wonder if Logos even has performance goals (computer-wise). It 'sounds' like the Beverly Hillbilly's (that's a compliment) where they just keep adding furniture on the little truck.

Shawn Drewett

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/343120#Comment_343120

. It 'sounds' like the Beverly Hillbilly's (that's a compliment) where they just keep adding furniture on the little truck.

Love the analogy! lol

toughski

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/343112#Comment_343112

Maybe if Logos depends too much on Microsoft and the Microsoft programs are slowing it down and causing other incompatible problems, maybe they should create their own platform. I dont know, I am not a computer programmer, I am a pastor.

Bob has defended their position, by saying basically "do you want us to write display code all day OR do you want us to write Bible Study software?" to which my reply would be BOTH. They chose the path that is better for their business, the only recourse we have is to vote with our wallets. As a full-time pastor myself I am constantly frustrated with having to wait and maintain L4 (choosing to delay indexing due to updating, clicking out of unnecessary browser reminders that pop-up, waiting on slow startup, unsubscribing from over-zealous promotional emails, ...)

15-20 minute check out times

obviously you never lived in Russia [:)] We long for Walmart to come in and introduce real customer service.

Pastor Michael Huffman

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/343124#Comment_343124

do you want us to write display code all day OR do you want us to write Bible Study software?" to which my reply would be BOTH.

Amen!!!! Both!!!!! We surely pay enough. Now, I must admit at this point that I have been very blessed y not having the problems others have reported.....to which I am very thankful!!!! I do wish; however, that they would work on their speed and I wish that I could trust the new updates to download them. When I have the program running well, I am afraid to download the new one for fear of having the same problems as others.

Shawn Drewett

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/343124#Comment_343124

Hey toughski I feel for you. I've never lived in Russia and am thankful for Wal-Mart just making a comparison. People raise their expectations when the overall standard is raised. I visit India frequently and they wish they COULD wait in line for items.

Paul-C

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/343129#Comment_343129

I visit India frequently and they wish they COULD wait in line for items.

Come to the UK. We just love a good queue. [H]

Room4more

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/343131#Comment_343131

Hmmm, this is interesting:

I run on a laptop using a wireless and a server. To be honest the only time I really experience a slow L4 is when it is updating or doing a sync. Although , I must admit that I usually have the use the internet and the auto-update unchecked and not running, and usually check once or twice a week for them.

Not having these checked reduces the start-up time as well as having it load the home page every time I run the program. I also have those ‘other guys’ and to be honest I really do not see much difference. If you start L4 with a particular set-up every time, then there will be a slower runtime at the beginning, as opposed to starting with a blank screen. You can also keep the ‘history’ clean so that it will run smoother.

Yet, all in all, I can remember when it was L2, and in comparison to L4 – well there is no comparison really. But I guess it all comes down to a matter of preference. But then I do not have Scholars or Portfolio, just the OL, so my resources are not as exhaustive or as cumbersome in the start-up process.

Well that’s my star-bucks $1.50$

Alan Charles Gielczyk

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/343131#Comment_343131

I understand all the frustration BUT, we have all been pestering Logos for notes and highlighting on our mobile devices for almost two years now and we finally have it. That said it comes at a price, the syncing to keep every platform in line with each other takes time. There are trade offs for every feature we all want so I just want to speak up and say thank you Logos for putting up with all of us and still trying to make all our desired features a reality!

Into Grace

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/343152#Comment_343152

I understand all the frustration BUT, we have all been pestering Logos for notes and highlighting on our mobile devices for almost two years now and we finally have it. That said it comes at a price, the syncing to keep every platform in line with each other takes time. There are trade offs for every feature we all want so I just want to speak up and say thank you Logos for putting up with all of us and still trying to make all our desired features a reality!

[Y]

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/343152#Comment_343152

Alan ... you need a 'star'!! I was wondering how many entries it would take before the 'we deserve this'.

Mitchell

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/343152#Comment_343152

I understand all the frustration BUT, we have all been pestering Logos for notes and highlighting on our mobile devices for almost two years now and we finally have it. That said it comes at a price, the syncing to keep every platform in line with each other takes time. There are trade offs for every feature we all want so I just want to speak up and say thank you Logos for putting up with all of us and still trying to make all our desired features a reality!

This is good perspective to keep, but at the same time these features do not necessarily mean performance should take this much of a hit.I guarantee you that there's still of a lot of architectural changes and code optimization that can be done to L4, it's just a matter of prioritizing that over new features.

My take on it is that Logos 4 is still relatively new in terms of powerful commercial software (think Photoshop, Office, AutoCAD, etc.). I realize Logos as a company has been around for a while but L4 is a ground-up rewrite, and in my experience complex, powerful applications tend to take about 5 years to reach full stability and optimization (Aperture is a great example of this). So while I'm often frustrated with the state of Logos now, I still have hope that things will get significantly better as the application matures.

With that said, we should also note that this won't happen if feature bloat becomes more of a development priority than optimization. It's good to keep bringing up these stability and performance issues (in a respectful and patient manner) because it keeps the pressure on Bob and the team to focus on optimization and stability before adding cool new features.

It looks like we're getting towards the end of a major development cycle that's revolved around synchronization and feature parity for the Mac version, so hopefully the next round of updates will focus on performance and stability.

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/343131#Comment_343131

I visit India frequently and they wish they COULD wait in line for items.
Come to the UK. We just love a good queue.

[:D] Cracking me up here. I like the little numbered tickets they use at the DMV *Department of Motor Vehicles

Now I am not anywhere near "hating" this software but I have a few observations.

I have heard others (smarter people than me) say that updates do not index. If that is true, I am fine with keeping auto updates turned on.
I have asked myself if the free books offered frequently on Vyrso are worth the daily indexing that goes along with them.
Yes, the larger the library, the slower my performance. My netbook has run Logos 4 for over a year now. But my library has finally become too large for the netbook to keep up with. I had to order a "real" laptop and am awaiting it's delivery.
My wife schedules her computer to update when she leaves for school. By the time she is home from class it is finished. As Rosie said, you could just update once a month if you are so inclined.
It is not necessary to shut Logos down every time you walk away from the computer. I leave mine open for days or weeks at a time.
One still could revert to Libronix 3. [;)]

Logos 4, offline use, manually update monthly.........not for me. It renders backup,syncing, multiple devices all useless.

George Somsel

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/343112#Comment_343112

I love Logos and have been using it since 1997, but my fear is that when other software (i.e., BibleWorks) that already focus on original text, begin to add other resources, which is just a matter of time, Logos is going to start hurting for business. I am suprised that Logos as not already lost some Mac users to other software like accordance. They need to do something to make this software faster and more reliable. I simply refuse to download an update until I read the forums and 10 times out of 10, people are having difficulties and many times, it is the same problems all over again. So I usually run a couple of upgrades behind.

If anything, I think Accordance has probably lost business to Logos. Originally Logos was PC only while Accordance handled the MAC. All of the MAC users of Logos either were or could have been Accordance users (and some may use both programs.).

George Somsel

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/343115#Comment_343115

I always tell my wife that Wal-Mart will "go down" one day if they don't do something about the 15-20 minute check out times. You can get what you want there, but you WILL have to wait for it. I avoid WM if I can get the items I want elsewhere-even if I have to pay a bit more for them. Why do I mind waiting? Because I know I can check out quickly at the dollar store, so why waste time at WM?

It may be a strange illustration but the point is "Logos needs to fix it's speed problem or they will lose business to faster software programs".

The dollar store? LOL ! I shop at the dollar store as well, but not for the same things as a WM. When you can find a set of cookware or a pair of jeans at the dollar store, let me know. BTW: Perhaps you need to try a different WM since I don't usually wait 15 min to check out.

Kenneth Neighoff

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/343172#Comment_343172

I run the program on a Acer Netbook, I just it download and index in the evening when i know that I am not going to be using the program. Normally I do the updates at least one or twice a week. I understand and know the performance issues of my computer and work with it, not against it.

I really do think sometimes we become our own worst enemy when we expect too much or expect it too soon, because we are not willing to work within the limits of ones computer system.I know the limitations of my Acer netbook. I know what having almost 8,000 resources does to it performance wise. So I have learned to adapt to what it can and cannot do.

Sometimes as I read the forums, I have this thought, If Jesus, himself developed a computer software system, to help one study the Word, there would be someone on this forum to complain about something, that Paul could have done it better.

BillS

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/343077#Comment_343077

I still love this software but I must admit I have also noticed it is slower than usual and using more resources. Has anyone else noticed this?

[Y] + 1

Especially at startup... And a goodly portion of that time is spent NOT starting up but synchronizing... I'd sure vote to go ahead & start it up & sync AFTER we can start using it. Don't delay us any more than it already does.

/end whine.

[:P]

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/343186#Comment_343186

And let's not forget in an earlier thread that version 4.3 was given by God for our study of the Word (not sure about 4.5 or 4.5a).

NetworkGeek

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/343165#Comment_343165

Here are some stats...this is tested on a very fast 1 month old laptop, Sand Bridge 4 core/8 threads CPUs, 60Mbps/12Mbps Internet line, very fast SSD disk: This is also a version of Logos with over 11,000 resources.

Starting Logos -- With Use Internet and Automatic Updates turned on, it takes 23 seconds to hear the music start, and 31 seconds for the Home Page to be up.

With Use Internet and Automatic Updates turned off, it takes 4 seconds to hear the music start, and 9 seconds for the Home Page to be up. Huge difference!!

Logos must be doing a ton on the Internet at startup. This was also with a system that was Sync'd, no updates were needed, etc. It had been up all morning, I just closed it down and started the test.

I would be willing to bet there can be some optimization of this by Logos, but in the interim if startup time drives you crazy TURN OFF Use Internet and Auto Updates until you need them.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/343120#Comment_343120

Gregg ... at least your wife has good taste. I thought your comment was so funny, since two years ago, we compared L4 to a jag sitting in the garage.

I do think, though, that like the absence of good help files and manuals, a good set of company advice on what drags L4 vs makes it go would have been nice. Every time I see one of these threads, I wonder if Logos even has performance goals (computer-wise). It 'sounds' like the Beverly Hillbilly's (that's a compliment) where they just keep adding furniture on the little truck.

Amazingly, she's had the car since high school when she brought it new. Besides the quirky electrics the other problem is getting OUT of the darn thing ... makes me realize I'm not as flexible (or as small) as I once was. I'll stick to the motorcycle!

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/343186#Comment_343186

I run the program on a Acer Netbook, I just it download and index in the evening when i know that I am not going to be using the program. Normally I do the updates at least one or twice a week. I understand and know the performance issues of my computer and work with it, not against it.

You are correct about working within our computer's limitations.

My little netbook is an Acer Aspire One and has done satisfactorily all the past year. I just made the fatal flaw of turning off my computer while it was indexing. That action triggered a complete "first time indexing" of the whole library (10K+ resources.) I think it was 60+ hours of continuous indexing. I won't make that mistake again.

George Somsel

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/343199#Comment_343199

Amazingly, she's had the car since high school when she brought it new. Besides the quirky electrics the other problem is getting OUT of the darn thing ... makes me realize I'm not as flexible (or as small) as I once was. I'll stick to the motorcycle!

Just beware of the rapid exits from the bike going forward. I was involved in one of those years ago; it was no fun. [:S]

Brother Mark

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/343186#Comment_343186

Sometimes as I read the forums, I have this thought, If Jesus, himself developed a computer software system, to help one study the Word, there would be someone on this forum to complain about something, that Paul could have done it better.

That made me nod my head in agreement, chuckle out loud, then shake my head because its a crying shame [:#]

Rich DeRuiter

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/343083#Comment_343083

Though frankly much of what is discussed in them I consider voluntary crippling of the software.

Sure, but you could turn off what you don't, or what you rarely use. For example, the Information Pane is nice for some things, but I really don't need it, and find it a distraction. Even if I would want it open, I'd set it to "Click" rather than "Follow." I also reduce links to open panels, because I don't want everything scrolling along as I read. I don't want all my highlights showing either, since some of my highlights (which I should probably just delete) are old, experimental, or do too much (add too much color and not enough info) so that it's disruptive to the reading/studying process. And I only have tools open when I need them.

In this case, I'm speeding up Logos (albeit slightly), by disabling features I don't use, or find intrusive to the way I work.

As to how it should work, I have no comment, since I have no idea what it would take to make it work that way. Besides, I'll gladly take some performance hits, if Logos can finish delivery on other promised features that I'm eagerly anticipating (Sermon File Addin being a top contender).

Rich DeRuiter

1 out of 2 times when starting I am prompted for an upgrade. Upgrade of what I never know sometime it will tell me after the upgrade other times I have to search the forums.

See Bob's comment here.

To find out what just upgraded open your home page. The most recent upgrade should be near the top of the page (note: you may need to press SHFT-F5 to refresh the page).

GregW

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/343172#Comment_343172

It is not necessary to shut Logos down every time you walk away from the computer. I leave mine open for days or weeks at a time.

[Y][Y]

I rarely shut down my laptop, but just hibernate it every time I want to power it off, leaving Outlook and Logos open when I do so. That way, I only have to start them up again if I reboot, inadvertently shut it down or am prompted to restart Logos (which, I concede, has been happening rather more regularly lately, and normally when I'm in a hurry). I don't think Logos 4 takes any longer to start up on my laptop than Outlook does, and I don't hear many people compalining about Outlook startup times (although within an hour someone will probably post a dozen examples here!)

I also have *****works, and that isn't exactly fast starting up, and even the new desktop PC version of *****tree just took 25 seconds to start up on my HP Pavilion dm1 - not much quicker than Logos, where I have approximately 3,000 resources, as opposed to hardly any on the other two applications.

The Sync2 update does seem to have slowed down startup, but it's doubtless because it is now syncing a great deal more than it used to (because we asked for a whole raft of stuff to be available cross-platform). This thread also acted as a good reminder to schedule updating for a time when it's not inconvenient.

Lynden O. Williams

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/343217#Comment_343217

Here are my start up times using this computer.

HP Pavilion Laptop: G71340 US

17.3" diagonal widescreen LED display
Presents 1600 x 900 resolution (WXGA)
Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 4500MHD (shared) with up to 1759MB of total available graphics memory
Intel Core 2 Duo processor T6600
The HP Pavilion Laptop provides powerful performance with 2.2GHz speed, an 800MB frontside bus, and 2MB L2 cache
4GB of DDR2 system memory
Furnishes enough memory for today's demanding applications and can be expanded to 8GB
320GB SATA hard drive (5700 RPM)
The HP Pavilion Laptop stores up to 90,000 photos, or up to 79,000 songs, or up to 38 hours of HD video, and more
LightScribe SuperMulti DVD optical drive with double-layer support
Plays and creates CDs and DVDs with support for 11 different formats
LightScribe technology etches custom labels right onto LightScribe-ready discs
Wireless Wi-Fi and wired Ethernet
Connect the HP Pavilion Laptop to a broadband modem (cable or DSL) wirelessly or using the wired 10/100 Ethernet port
Also wirelessly connects to a Wi-Fi signal/hotspot with 802.11b/g wireless LAN
Built-in 56k modem for dial-up connections

Using a cold boot, the splash screen came up right away. It took 55 seconds to bring up the sync screen, and another 30 seconds to open up to the home page. Nothing needed to be synced, as I had just shut the software down, after letting it sit idle for a while.

From the homepage it took 48 seconds to pull up this layout.

9 Bibles, 9 Commentaries, 1 Customized Exegetical guide, 16 dictionaries, plus informatin, highlighting, compare bible versions (4).

All of the Bibles except one are linked to A.

The commentaries in the top right corner are linked to A.

the dictionaries in the bottom right corner have six linked together as B.

Power lookup is set to follow the active pane.

Cited by seems to be checking the entire library, except the tabs are not expanded.

Power lookup is set to A.

Notes feature is linked to several books of the Bible.

My observations are that, many computers are not optimized (Windows only), and we cannot have an intelligent discussion unless we are all running the same layouts, with similar linking capabilities, history and updates set alike.

The specs on the computers will need to be factored in.

My experience tells me that:

1. Logos runs best when it is left running, rather than shutting it down and restarting it each time, (so does windows).

The first time you run a search, or use some of the dropdown menus, (parallel resources) it will take a second or two, the next time you use it, it will perform immediately.

I would still like for Logos to develop some tool, that looks at the state of the computer, programs running, and how the individual is using the software, along with standardized tests (similar to benchmark) so we can see where the bottlenecks are.

Anonymous

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/343217#Comment_343217

When I boot my TabletPC, I immediately run Logos and OneNote. They stay open until the next time I reboot, or Logos crashes, whichever comes first. Usually this means about once a month. I use sleep mode normally, so I rarely ever reboot.

Updates I do if:
a) I see a feature I want in one of the updates
b) I see a bugfix for a bug I am encountering regularly in the updates
c) I have a lot of prepubs that I've bought, but haven't bothered to install yet, accumulating.

Generally, I typically go a month or two, maybe more sometimes, between updates. Why would you update if there's nothing in the update for you?

J. Kane

Randall

A lot of folks have weighed in. I wanted to add my 2 cents and encourage you to breathe in and not "hate" Logos.

I think a lot of this is simply a matter of perspective.

I'm a pastor and have used Logos for years. I have a pretty large library - over 4,000 books. I've had every Bible study app except BibleSoft. I use Bible Works often. I use Logos for hours each and every day studying for the 2 to 3 messages I preach/teach a week.

I'm glad they update the basic program as often as they do - fix bugs - I'm glad they fix typo's as often as they do. There is an investment of time involved in learning to use it and so on, but the efficiency of study and flexibility of study Logos offers me is a blessing. I often used to carry 6 to 10 books and more home at night and have huge briefcase. I used to come in on Sunday mornings at 5am and dig back in. I can now do that at home by simply launching Logos and loading the desktop I saved from Saturday.

I'm going to a conference next week. The core of my library that I will be using to study during breaks there is coming with me in my laptop.

I believe as you use the program and get oriented to it and follow suggestions it will turn out to be a great blessing and encouragement to you.

Ed W. Visser

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/343217#Comment_343217

I'm actually enjoying this software more and more.

After skimming through some posts here, I closed L4, waited a bit, and then timed the load-up time. 29 seconds from start to finish with this result --

On my ACER Aspire, Timeline X, Nividia GEFORCE, GT 540M CUDA 1GB, Windows 7 64bit, home premium SP-1

Logos Bible Software 4.5a (4.51.0.2048) (Beta)

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/343253#Comment_343253

Well, Ed, that sounded to be like a bold challenge. Especially since you have a 5.9 WEI and pen input. Matches me (Lenovo 220T)

Frist, in each of the below tests, I have my Logos4 settings to no-internet and no-updates. Plus I don't use notes, highlights, collections, etc. Just tags. But on the other hand, I have the CPU running at 50% while on battery.

So I tried loading my 55 resource 4-window behemoth, and it timed to 1 min 30 seconds. In fact I couldn't even get a Logos entry page before you finished.

Then I tried playing around with the WIFI. First I turned off access to my router. No difference; same 90 seconds.

Then I turned the WIFI radio off on my PC. Woohoo >> 30-35 second load!! That Logos4 is indeed a speed-demon.

Josh

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/343268#Comment_343268

The problem is not the software - it's us. We think that anything that takes longer than 2 minutes (more like 5 seconds actually) to load is too slow. Our standards have been increased to a ridiculous level. I remember when a 56k modem was considered fast. Even if Logos took 5 minutes to run a passage guide that would be fast compared to me running to my bookcase and opening up all my commentaries to the correct page and organized for study.

Randall Lind

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/343165#Comment_343165

I did disable updates but that has nothing to do with starting the program. Yes I got every free stuff and that slowed it down a little I guess. However I bet it the SP that does more slowing then the free books.

Logos need to make the engine or books smarter. If the goal is to get more money out of me for books which I don't mind then the programs should handle it. Beside when indexing the program should not lock up.

I formatted my hard drive and reinstall everything I am running O&O Defag after I did all the Windows updates. I am going to run it again when Logos4 is done. I will see i that helps.

Randall Lind

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/343194#Comment_343194

WOW sounds like my problem but it more like 5 mins total. Which is insane since all books are on my hard drive.

Mitchell

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/343278#Comment_343278

WOW sounds like my problem but it more like 5 mins total. Which is insane since all books are on my hard drive.

Randall, those symptoms sound like the signs of a hard drive that's on its last legs. Make sure you have a current backup of your system.

Room4more

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/343278#Comment_343278

WOW sounds like my problem but it more like 5 mins total. Which is insane since all books are on my hard drive.

Jeepers. BUT - come to think of it, I do remember that I did a defrag when I went from L3 to L4, it was a IBM recommendation, so I accepted what it told me. But that was so long ago, I never remembered till just now.

Oh, I forgot: Xp/SP3, IBM R60, T2400, dual 2ghz, 2gb ram, [3/4rd] 120gb, external servered - 1/2'vd - 300gb Sata(s). Startup time averages 20-30sec empty layout from a cold boot. [IBM:TOOLBOX keeps everything topnotch for me and gives warnings and the like - ne'er a problem yet...VPN to server]

[[edit: I believe someone said something about the Perseus collection that was handed out as free.Well I got it when it came out but did not notice any slow-downs during the startup process...]]

Garrett Ho

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/343222#Comment_343222

Here are my start up times using this computer.

To provide another data point, I launched Logos 4 on my 2006 Macbook (2ghz, 2gig ram) with 7102 resources. It took 25 seconds to sign in, sync, and open to my blank layout. Not bad at all. I credit my SSD.

I'm currently indexing a small resource download, but a full library search of "Jesus" took 10.93 seconds. Maybe it'll be faster when the indexer is finished. In either case, not bad at all.

Dean J

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/343283#Comment_343283

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Randall, those symptoms sound like the signs of a hard drive that's on its last legs. Make sure you have a current backup of your system.

How does one make a back-up?

Jonathan

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/343320#Comment_343320

How does one make a back-up?

See this article: http://lifehacker.com/5816453/how-to-back-up-your-computer

Friedrich

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/343191#Comment_343191

I'd sure vote to go ahead & start it up & sync AFTER we can start using it. Don't delay us any more than it already does.

I don't know if this is what you are talking about, but I see the start up screen as a little button that allows us to open it up sooner if we like. Also, I right click on the Logos icon and select "pause for 4 hours" if I need it.

[:'(] is okay, btw. We all do it! [;)]

Friedrich

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/343240#Comment_343240

I think a lot of this is simply a matter of perspective.

no kidding. I often think about what it was like lugging my books around and how LONG it took to open the pages, to set them up in a half circle on a large enough desktop around me, etc. etc. In view of that 20-190 seconds seems like nothin'.

on the other hand, when I have my laptop at a basketball game and want to show a seminary student something in Logos and it takes 40 seconds to load, that is really annoying. i'm soooo deprived.

Kenneth Neighoff

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/343331#Comment_343331

I think a lot of this is simply a matter of perspective.

no kidding. I often think about what it was like lugging my books around and how LONG it took to open the pages, to set them up in a half circle on a large enough desktop around me, etc. etc. In view of that 20-190 seconds seems like nothin'.

on the other hand, when I have my laptop at a basketball game and want to show a seminary student something in Logos and it takes 40 seconds to load, that is really annoying. i'm soooo deprived.

Having the books on your books with you on the laptop or the iPad you don't have to worry about them being checked out of the library or only at the reserve desk with a two or three hour limit.