Getting New iPad
Who will be getting one? I ordered mine.
Dr. Kevin Purcell, Director of Missions
Brushy Mountain Baptist Association
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Kevin A. Purcell said:
I ordered mine.
Can I come over to visit? [:)]
I've got "No Money, No Money, No Money!" Other than that, I'd be getting one too. [Insert Drool]. [:'(]
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I ordered mine. Finally I will have an iPAD, the phone seems way too small for reading on. Now there waiting is the hardest part….
Ala. You do know that apple fin aces it for 3 payments same as cash if you order higher end...
-Dan
PS: You are likely wise to not purchase what you can;t afford so forgive me offering the temptation.
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I ordered mine and one for the wife as well. I waited six weeks for the first on I can wait nine days for this one.
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I ordered one too. The Apple online store in the UK was hammered by the volume of traffic, and they also stopped taking phone calls for the same reason. They finally started accepting orders at midnight!
It is an expensive habit trying to keep up with the "latest and greatest" products from Apple - but selling my first generation iPad on eBay a few weeks ago helped to soften the blow!
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Anyone selling their old ipad 2?
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Kenneth Morris said:
Anyone selling their old ipad 2?
Kenneth, check out the new price of refurbished iPad 2s from Apple. They're just dropped the price after last night's announcement. I bought my iPad (first generation) as a refurbished model from Apple and was delighted with it. It really was like brand new (right down to the clingy cellophane wrap which covers sparkly new Apple products!), and came with the same warranty as a brand new model.
If I could buy the new iPad as a refurbished model, I would. [:D]
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Paul Clarke said:
If I could buy the new iPad as a refurbished model, I would.
By summer, if you persistently check, you will be able to.
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Yes I've ordered. I've been holding off for the better display which should make it better to read.
I had to wait until this morning though as I couldn't get on the Uk store.
I can't wait to load up logos on it!
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Just preordered mine. I'm just glad I wont have to stand in line for. My wife and kids are excited because we won't be struggling Over the opportunity to use n our current ipad
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For right now, I am going to hold off on buying the IPas 3. IPad 1 does all I need it to do right now.
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I'll get one before too long - once they're in stock at Target (where I can get a bit of a discount). My wife's itching for my iPad 2. This is the best way to oblige her.
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I"m getting one for my wife and one for me. Haven't ordered yet, she hasn't decided what color she wants[*-)]
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As a soon-to-be iPad 3 owner, what are your thoughts re:
16 vs. 32 vs. 64GB
WiFi + 4G or WiFi only?
AT&T's 4G iPad rate plans: http://appadvice.com/appnn/2012/03/att-offers-cheapest-4g-lte-plan-for-new-ipad
On the other hand, I may just get the iPad 3 for my wife and I'll get a new Ivy Bridge Notebook computer in a couple months when they IB processors start showing up, which would give me total access to, and use of, Logos, which would be perhaps my main use for an iPad (I have an iPhone 4S).
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I like white (my iPhone 4S color) but a coworker who has the iPad 1 and will be getting a 3 said he feels the black makes the screen colors stand out more. That may be true. But white looks nice!
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Pre-ordered mine last night. Now only 8 more days to wait! I have had the iPad 2 for the past year and have found it to be a near perfect fit for my life. My wife has been asking for one since I got mine so she will be getting my iPad 2 to use for herself and homeschooling the kids. The biggest problem for us has been that I am a counselor and because I keep a large amount of confidential material on my iPad, no one, including my wife, can use it. Getting the 3 will remedy that and give me a new toy to boot. My iPad 2 is a 32gb wifi only model. I have found the 32gb to be limiting for my purposes but that is because I keep a large number of files on it in addition to music, movies, etc. So I will be getting the 64gb this time and am also opting for a 4g lte model on the verizon network. One of the few places I cannot get wifi access is in my Sunday School class at church and would like to access online resources when teaching. Can't wait!
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Eric Weiss said:
what are your thoughts re:
Eric Weiss said:16 vs. 32 vs. 64GB
My answers will all sound like: "It depends upon your needs" [;)]
If you will be primarily online and if you don't care about putting many apps/games/music/video on your device, the 16GB is just fine. Otherwise, go bigger. To negate the need, Apple has taken seriously the notion of "the cloud."
Eric Weiss said:WiFi + 4G or WiFi only?
I would only get the 4G if:
- You don't already have a smart phone with internet
- You will travel much or be in an area without wifi
I was given a 1 Gen 64GB iPad with 3G. We have really enjoyed using the 3G on trips, however, we were just given iPhones for Christmas. I don't plan on using the 3G again. Another option would be to get a mobile hotspot from a carrier. At least look at your options.
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Eric Weiss said:
As a soon-to-be iPad 3 owner, what are your thoughts re:
16 vs. 32 vs. 64GB
WiFi + 4G or WiFi only?
I've ordered a 64GB iPad. I previously had a 32GB iPad (1st gen) and, to be honest, that had plenty of storage. However, with the ability to take HD video, and be able to store more photos and music, I thought I would stretch the boat and go for the largest storage.
In terms of WiFi / 4G, I went for the WiFi only because I also have an iPhone which can be tethered to the WiFi only iPad to give me Internet access on the move (which, thus far, I've never needed.) Also, I've read the 4G capabilities of the new iPad will be incompatible with 4G networks when they eventually hit the UK (as we'll use a different part of the spectrum to in the US - I think!)
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I ordered one as soon as I could. I was refreshing the website while it was down hoping to jump on it as soon as it came back to life, but then I thought I'd be one who missed out because everyone who called got theirs first.
So I tried calling, and it took a while to get through, but I was able to place my order that way. It froze the system of the first two reps I talked to, but then they transferred me to a different sales department that was able to place the order. [They must run their sales software on PCs [;)] ]
I asked a couple of questions of the reps while I was waiting for them to figure out why their computer went down, and here are two interesting things they said.
1. Apple believes they will have enough stock to meet demand by the 16th. So people intending to flip on eBay may be out of luck.
2. When I asked if we would get it around the 16th, the rep said that they intend to ship them so that everybody gets them by the 16th. That sounds like a "Logos Christmas Credit" kind of promise to me! Not that I'm impatient or anything...
I cannot wait to load Logos on this bad boy, and I really hope it's an effective tool for studying and teaching. This is my first iPad, so I'm particularly excited!
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Eric Weiss said:
As a soon-to-be iPad 3 owner, what are your thoughts re:
16 vs. 32 vs. 64GB
WiFi + 4G or WiFi only?
I've never heard an iPad owner wish they had bought the smaller size, but several wish the other way. If you can afford it, the marginal increase in cost seems worth the marginal increase in capacity.
I don't know if this is true for "The New iPad 3 HD (tm)(R)", but someone told me that you would not get GPS in the old units unless you bought a cellular capable model. So even if you don't have to subscribe to a data plan, if you want that little blue GPS dot on maps, it might be worth it to get the 4G model. The specs page seems to indicate that it remains true for the new iPad.
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Eric Weiss said:
AT&T's 4G iPad rate plans: http://appadvice.com/appnn/2012/03/att-offers-cheapest-4g-lte-plan-for-new-ipad
It concerns me that LTE is bringing speeds up to 75 Mbps (I know it's just in theory) and the best data plans available give 5 or 10 GB / month. At top speeds you could blow through your monthly allotment in about 12 minutes.
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After having an iPad 2 wifi, I upgraded to the 4g. My main issue was the very rare times I need/wanted Logos and/or other cloud based apps to work and I wasn't near wifi. For example, I was at a conference the other day and wanted to pull up something from my library but I didn't have wifi connection. So, I plan to get the cheap ATT plan and only use it in the rare times I need it and don't have wifi.
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William Gabriel said:
At top speeds you could blow through your monthly allotment in about 12 minutes.
That's what the cell phone providers are counting on!
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Ordered mine this morning. Been a proud owner of the first, second and now the third. I always get the highest capacity because the more you get used to it, the more you will fill it up. I also always get the version that allows connection to a carrier. Although I try to use it where free wifi is available, there are times when it isn't available and it is handy to be able to connect (and I live in metro Atlanta where free wifi is almost everywhere). Another thought is that with investing in a device like this, I want my 'Find My iPad' functionality to always be available.
Last year I was first in line at a WalMart to get the iPad2 but I had to wait two hours to get it. This year I ordered online to save the hassle of waiting in a line and the stress that goes along with that! [:P].
Bummer that the full Siri is not available on this version... oh well...gotta save something for later I guess!
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Personally I agree the black frames it in for the eye to focus on the screen. Then consider what case you will putnit in because lots of cases are black and cover the white/black border.
The tethering is a nice option but after my husband used it on his the iPhone battery drained pretty fast. After that happened enough times he bought another iPad2 with Wi-Fi+3G and dropped to the lowest Data Plan on his phone and increased the Data Plan on his iPad2. Has not regretted it at all. We wished we wouldmhave bought the Wi-Fi + 3G to begin with. Then we did some traveling via car and was very pleased we had the 3G capability and made use of it.
I have 32gb and will get 64GB next time because I use teaching videos for our Women's Bible Study as Facilitator I watch before Study to prepare. Video takes up space.
Also, the Apps themself take up space...when I updated to 5.1 it showed 10GB just for my Apps.
Take into consideration your needs and what you will use it for and then what you didn't even imagine it could be used for.
Chealer to buy the most capability than to not have the space and end up buying another one sooner than you had wanted or planned to.
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William Gabriel said:
1. Apple believes they will have enough stock to meet demand by the 16th. So people intending to flip on eBay may be out of luck.
2. When I asked if we would get it around the 16th, the rep said that they intend to ship them so that everybody gets them by the 16th. That sounds like a "Logos Christmas Credit" kind of promise to me! Not that I'm impatient or anything...
As for the 1st one, they are already seeing shipping times delayed so get in their soon if you want a pre-ordered. Otherwise you can wait in line at Apple, Best Buy and possibly Target, Radio Shack and the wireless carriers Verizon and AT&T.
As for the second, Apple almost always hits those dates. I've been preordering for a few years now and I've never had to wait even one day. If they say the 16th, you will almost certainly get it the 16th.
What I will do is take my tracking number to the FedEX place near me (assuming its FedEX again) and ask them to hold it at the local warehouse and pick it up so I don't have to wait at home all day.
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Kevin A. Purcell said:
Who will be getting one? I ordered mine.
Not me. I was ready to jump if it had the 4-core CPU. But alas, it only has a 2-core CPU. I'll wait for a 4-core processor. And a few other things.
I don't think Logos, or any of the other apps I use, will greatly benefit from the HD graphics. And, I don't buy iPads with 3G/4G (WiFi only) - I'd rather spend the data-plan $$ on other stuff - so the 4G support doesn't give me reason to splurge. The telecomm industry already gets enough of my hard-earned $$ to pay for their over-priced services. I can do without that on an iPad.
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Randal M Lane said:Kevin A. Purcell said:
Who will be getting one? I ordered mine.
Not me. I was ready to jump if it had the 4-core CPU. But alas, it only has a 2-core CPU. I'll wait for a 4-core processor. And a few other things.
I don't think Logos, or any of the other apps I use, will greatly benefit from the HD graphics. And, I don't buy iPads with 3G/4G (WiFi only) - I'd rather spend the data-plan $ on other stuff - so the 4G support doesn't give me reason to splurge. The telecomm industry already gets enough of my hard-earned $ to pay for their over-priced services. I can do without that on an iPad.
I think it is a quad-core machine. Isn't it?
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Randal M Lane said:
Not me. I was ready to jump if it had the 4-core CPU. But alas, it only has a 2-core CPU. I'll wait for a 4-core processor. And a few other things.
From some reviews, noted A5X processor is dual core CPU with quad core graphics => http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/12/03/08/a5x_chip_in_apples_new_ipad_doubles_ram_to_1gb___report.html
Appears Apple has more planned for 2012 => http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/12/03/07/apple_teases_there_is_a_lot_to_look_forward_to_in_2012.html
For Logos and Vyrso reading, the new iPad screen is better; Apple has side by side comparison => http://www.apple.com/ipad/features/
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Ordered mine yesterday: 16GB, WiFi, Black. I have an unlimited data plan (Sprint) for my iPhone and most things are cloud based, so 16GB should be plenty for Logos/Vyrso (my primary purpose for getting it) to read the couple/few thousand, cover-to-cover books I have in my library.
Now just waiting on the new laptops to arrive later this year for complete portability of Logos. I'm WiFi at home, church, all friend's homes, starbucks, McDonalds, etc. I'll use tethered to iPhone occasionally if needed.
At home I use my 27" iMac...I think I'm covering all the bases.
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Eric, I bought my iPad 1 just after the iPad 2 was introduced. I bought the 64 gig after having a 32 gig iPhone and seeing that it was not large enough to hold some movies and podcast and apps so I went large... larger than I really needed. I also decided to go with WiFi only, however, after I used it for a while, realized that I was going to need internet in places that I did not have WiFi... so what to do. I bought a mifi card from Verizon and went to buy service and found that it was cost prohibitive... $50/gig of data which is an unreasonable price. I could get it cheaper if I got a contract, but I don't need it all of the time... just at times. So Now I will not have internet unless I am on WiFi... but I will get by. For most people, a 32 gig unit will be large enough unless you need to put movies on for the kids or load all of your books plus a lot of other works, but I also thought that for $100, it might help me to get more for it some day when I would go to sell it. If you pay the extra for the 4G unit, but don't activate it, you may be able to get your service much cheaper than I could, I don't know for sure, but it would be nice to have that option, albeit, about $150 for the option. after having the iPad, iTouch, and iPhone, I would never go back to carrying a laptop for logos... too heavy and bulky... the current app with docs to go, I have more than once written my sermon while at the hospital while waiting for someone to come out of surgery. is it the same as on a laptop... no, but it is not bad, and so much smaller, lighter, more convenient, plus I can preach from it. just a few thoughts!
Eric Weiss said:As a soon-to-be iPad 3 owner, what are your thoughts re:
16 vs. 32 vs. 64GB
WiFi + 4G or WiFi only?
AT&T's 4G iPad rate plans: http://appadvice.com/appnn/2012/03/att-offers-cheapest-4g-lte-plan-for-new-ipad
On the other hand, I may just get the iPad 3 for my wife and I'll get a new Ivy Bridge Notebook computer in a couple months when they IB processors start showing up, which would give me total access to, and use of, Logos, which would be perhaps my main use for an iPad (I have an iPhone 4S).
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Randal M Lane said:
I don't think Logos, or any of the other apps I use, will greatly benefit from the HD graphics. And, I don't buy iPads with 3G/4G (WiFi only) - I'd rather spend the data-plan $ on other stuff - so the 4G support doesn't give me reason to splurge. The telecomm industry already gets enough of my hard-earned $ to pay for their over-priced services. I can do without that on an iPad.
I disagree about the display and Logos but agree about going WiFi only. I have an iPhone 4S and pay too much for the little data I use. I've yet to take the tablet plunge but am very close to ordering the 32GB WiFi model.
The display, though, would be one of the main reasons for my getting a iPad. When I saw an iPad 2 in an Apple Store last summer, the display of book fonts left a lot to be desired for me. It was too much like reading from my Lenovo ThinkPad. The long-rumored display for the long-rumored iPad 3 kept me from buying an iPad 2.
Right now I'm trying to determine how many GBs of Logos resources I have. I will want to have a lot of them on an iPad, especially going with WiFi only.
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Bill Moore said:
Right now I'm trying to determine how many GBs of Logos resources I have. I will want to have a lot of them on an iPad, especially going with WiFi only.
Downloading books doesn't use much space. It is movies and photos that do take up quite a bit. The photos in a Bible dictionary or study Bible equal quite a few books with just text. Of course I don't know any hard facts, just a general impression. I have a 32GB iPad and have all my important books and commentaries downloaded and don't think I have even made a dent in it.
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Bill Moore said:Randal M Lane said:
I don't think Logos, or any of the other apps I use, will greatly benefit from the HD graphics. And, I don't buy iPads with 3G/4G (WiFi only) - I'd rather spend the data-plan $ on other stuff - so the 4G support doesn't give me reason to splurge. The telecomm industry already gets enough of my hard-earned $ to pay for their over-priced services. I can do without that on an iPad.
I disagree about the display and Logos but agree about going WiFi only. I have an iPhone 4S and pay too much for the little data I use. I've yet to take the tablet plunge but am very close to ordering the 32GB WiFi model.
The display, though, would be one of the main reasons for my getting a iPad. When I saw an iPad 2 in an Apple Store last summer, the display of book fonts left a lot to be desired for me. It was too much like reading from my Lenovo ThinkPad. The long-rumored display for the long-rumored iPad 3 kept me from buying an iPad 2.
Right now I'm trying to determine how many GBs of Logos resources I have. I will want to have a lot of them on an iPad, especially going with WiFi only.
I already own an iPad, bought a year ago. I would certainly buy the new one if did not already own one, but I don' think the new one announced yesterday justifies the huge price to upgrade.
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Thanks for all the replies. I'm not a pastor or preacher, and only rarely teach at church. My main Logos uses or desires require the program on a PC - e.g., searches, original language tools, etc. - which is why I'm leaning more toward an Ivy Bridge notebook/laptop PC - 15-16" with 1920x1080 HD screen.
On the other hand, for simply reading my ginormous number of Logos resources, it sounds like the iPad would beat a notebook/laptop hands-down, if only for primarily holding it in portrait mode like a typical book and it being a tablet and not a screen + keyboard bulky item when riding on the train.
We may get a fully decked out one - 4G + Wifi @64GB - for us and the granddaughters to play with and use (assuming my wife and I can get it away from them!) and then decide what or if to get for a second one. The Logos books I've downloaded take up a fraction of my iPhone storage, I think. I can't tell from my phone what part is Logos. I assume my nearly 3,700 songs takes up most of my GB. I have very little in the way of video, and a few hundred photos, many of which I need to delete. So 64GB is probably overkill.
Decisions, decisions....
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Rev. Kelly Todd said:
If you pay the extra for the 4G unit, but don't activate it, you may be able to get your service much cheaper than I could, I don't know for sure, but it would be nice to have that option, albeit, about $150 for the option.
I have an iPad2 and I opted for the WiFi only model. Let me explain why I think this is the best option in my opinion, if you have a smart phone with a data package. In my case I have a iPhone 4s and I turn on the tether or hotspot function on the iPhone and I connect my iPad right to my iPhone's internet which already has the data package -- Wala!
Works great and you only pay for one data package via your smart phone. It is the best way in my opinion, because you are not locked down to the specific carrier in the iPad for the life of the iPad and you don't bay the extra fee on the iPad to get 3G/4G functionality.
I figure as long as I have a smart phone with a data plan I will just tether my iPad.[I]
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MJD said:Rev. Kelly Todd said:
If you pay the extra for the 4G unit, but don't activate it, you may be able to get your service much cheaper than I could, I don't know for sure, but it would be nice to have that option, albeit, about $150 for the option.
I have an iPad2 and I opted for the WiFi only model. Let me explain why I think this is the best option in my opinion, if you have a smart phone with a data package. In my case I have a iPhone 4s and I turn on the tether or hotspot function on the iPhone and I connect my iPad right to my iPhone's internet which already has the data package -- Wala!
Works great and you only pay for one data package via your smart phone. It is the best way in my opinion, because you are not locked down to the specific carrier in the iPad for the life of the iPad and you don't bay the extra fee on the iPad to get 3G/4G functionality.
I figure as long as I have a smart phone with a data plan I will just tether my iPad.
That would be a great option for me but I think it violates my Verizon agreement. I would like to be wrong about that because I use only a few hundred MBs of data a month on my phone and probably wouldn't use 2GB if I could tether.
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Bill Moore said:
That would be a great option for me but I think it violates my Verizon agreement. I would like to be wrong about that because I use only a few hundred MBs of data a month on my phone and probably wouldn't use 2GB if I could tether.
Bill, does your cell phone contract give you the option to bolt-on a tethering package to your contract? I have an iPhone 4 and, in the UK, if I pay my cell phone provider an extra £5 per month (c.$7.50) then they'll allow me to tether my iPhone to other WiFi devices. My colleague does it and it works pretty well. Also, the tethering option can be done on a month-to-month contract, so you don't get tied in for longer than you want. Worth checking into to see if Verizon do anything similar.
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Randal M Lane said:
I already own an iPad, bought a year ago. I would certainly buy the new one if did not already own one, but I don' think the new one announced yesterday justifies the huge price to upgrade.
That you already own an iPad 2, I can see your thinking considering the cost of the upgrade, which is primarily the display. It's all I can do to pull the trigger on buying one to start with.
What about selling yours? Would the difference be worth the upgrade?
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Bill Moore said:
Eric, 3700 songs?!
Every Bob Dylan CD except the complete Original Mono Recordings, plus a few Dylan Cover compilations (I'm Not There soundtrack; Amnesty International's Chimes of Freedom), a few other artists' albums - plus all the tracks on my Living Koine Greek and Living Biblical Hebrew books + CDs/MP3s from Randall Buth (http://www.biblicallanguagecenter.com/) plus my MP3s of the complete Tanakh in Hebrew. (I could also load Zodhiates' Greek NT, but I got kind of tired of his voice. Maybe someday....). [H]
I work just 2 blocks from AT&T's headquarters, so I'll probably go today or Monday at lunch to the store there and have them show me and explain the 4G pricing and options compared to what we currently pay for our iPhone usage. I can probably figure it out on my own via the Internet, but I'd rather do it in person. Plus, that gives me a chance to admire The Golden Boy again - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirit_of_Communication [8-|]
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Bill Moore said:Randal M Lane said:
I already own an iPad, bought a year ago. I would certainly buy the new one if did not already own one, but I don' think the new one announced yesterday justifies the huge price to upgrade.
That you already own an iPad 2, I can see your thinking considering the cost of the upgrade, which is primarily the display. It's all I can do to pull the trigger on buying one to start with.
What about selling yours? Would the difference be worth the upgrade?
Probably not. I strongly believe the next iPad will have a full-fledged 4-core CPU, and likely more RAM too. Even if the cost to upgrade to iPad 3 were marginalized by selling my current iPad 1, I'd still prefer to save the $$ for the one I really feel compelled to upgrade to. I have plenty of other items that call for tech budget $, all yielding more wanted improvement than the iPad 3 upgrade would give me.
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As a point of reference I have 467 books downloaded on my iPad, which are generally reference books, and the Logos app takes up 3.9 GB. I have had my 32 GB iPad for about a year and have used about 1/3 of the storage space, but I don't load a lot of music, photos or movies. I am glad I didn't go with the 16GB model, if for no other reason than peace of mind. Mine is wifi only and I haven't missed the 3g service, but then again I could see why a busy, mobile pastor would want that feature.
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Jerry M said:
As a point of reference I have 467 books downloaded on my iPad, which are generally reference books, and the Logos app takes up 3.9 GB
As another reference point, I have 293 resources downloaded which takes 4.5GB.
These are primarily commentaries and encyclopedia.
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alabama24 said:
Well, foolish me for reading too quickly. I read "songs" as "albums" and was blown away! I just checked my iTunes and found I have 2789 songs. [:)] I don't plan to put them on a tablet though, just on my Lenovo ThinkPad T500 and my iPhone.
Still, Alabama, 7725? [;)]
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Bill Moore said:
I just checked my iTunes and found I have 2789 songs.
I don't plan to put them on a tablet thoughI recommend subscribing to iTunes Music Match ($25/year). You can have access to all your music on all your devices. You can download the ones you want on demand.
Bill Moore said:Still, Alabama, 7725?
Yup. My music tastes are quite eclectic, though I listen mostly to more traditional country & folk. I am sure I have music that will drive anyone crazy. [:D]
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alabama24 said:
On the IPod classic, I have 7190 songs, 214 videos. The music ranges from classical to heavy metal, The Scriptures in Hebrew and Greek for more devotional times. Gotta have Stryper available something during the day.
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I have 17,817 "songs" in my iTunes.
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