Warning Label for Non-Christian Stuff
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Thankfully the Lord is coming back... Maranatha!
Amen to that brother.
Is it possible to provide an introduction to the material that gives readers ideas about how to read it critically? Perhaps some questions to think about as one reads or suggestions of works that provide a different point of view. That would make publishing it an educational experience for the body of Christ and allows you to edify the rest of us. Regardless of your intentions I think the label approach will lead to misuse/abuse by others as has happened with Dante's work.
Have a great day,
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Yeah, you are likely right, thats a good suggestion, which i touched on adding the reason it got buried by the flood of posts, am looking into the best way of dealing adding the "Educational bits" be-it inline notes or footnotes on the original text inside the PB or just a few words on the title page
However, I wont even be releasing any of these titles via forums, so is likely a mute pointNever Deprive Anyone of Hope.. It Might Be ALL They Have
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Dominic,
I am curious what Books YOU have written and have had published that I can get so I can put YOUR sticker on?
It really seems that this stems from a form of bias that has developed over the years. But just so I understand you correctly - would you read the Koran or the Torah or the Book of Mormon or the I-Ching so that you could better deal with them?
In some respects I agree with Jim:
a) It immediately warns me that the author is a poor writer. [...]
b) The label smacks of [...]
But it comes down to our own spiritual understanding: What you may call Heresy another may call Truth(vice-verse)
Etc., etc., Blah blah..........
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Just checked back on this thread..........Looks like it got de-railed. I've already given my 2 cents but want to add just one more penny.
If someone feels compelled to place warning labels on every Personal Book they compile in Logos that is fine with me. Personally, I would not read an edition compiled by someone so opposed to the author. It defeats the whole purpose of going to the source. (How can you trust they did not edit the work?) Also, I never ask the patron at the next table what salad dressing I should choose.
We need to respect each other enough to allow different study pursuits. [C]
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I never ask the patron at the next table what salad dressing I should choose.
Maybe the analogy for proponents of such a label would be the menu at an Asian restaurant (or chili-con-carne), which will tell "spicey, hot, very hot" and people can make more informed decisions - kind of "you have been warned". After all, tolerance for this kind of food is an acquired taste, and some may delight in a meal others can't stand.
Nevertheless, I personally share the reservations about who is to decide about a "heresy" badge - some would put it on the catechism of the catholic church, others on Calvin's institutes, others on both...
Have joy in the Lord!
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Maybe the analogy for proponents of such a label would be the menu at an Asian restaurant (or chili-con-carne), which will tell "spicey, hot, very hot"
There's not really any completely objective scale for things like this. One person's "very hot" is another person's "mild-to-medium." Depends on whether you grew up in Maine or Texas, or what Christian tribe you hang out with. The seminary down the street from us considers Regent College and all its faculty (most of whom are published authors in Logos) to be ultra-conservative fundamentalists, whereas there's a seminary in Florida which parted ways with a Regent College faculty member who appeared to espouse a view they thought was beyond the pale in the liberal territory. Same guy; viewed as conservative/fundamentalist by one group of people and liberal/heretical by another.
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Nevertheless, I personally share the reservations about who is to decide about a "heresy" badge - some would put it on the catechism of the catholic church, others on Calvin's institutes, others on both...
AND quote a) It immediately warns me that the author is a poor writer end quote
No writer would put that label on their own work but it would get put on the works of others.
Is there any resource that all would agree that it should not get the label?
[[Also: would a book on the four ways that something is understood get three labels as only one of the four ways can be right - or maybe four as someone knows a fifth way]]
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Is there any resource that all would agree that it should not get the label?
Good thought experiment. Maybe a child's ABC book? Naw, I'm sure someone could come up with some controversy even in that: maybe it's got a picture of a dinosaur in it for the letter D, and they think there's no such thing as dinosaurs.
[[Also: would a book on the four ways that something is understood get three labels as only one of the four ways can be right - or maybe four as someone knows a fifth way]]
It doesn't have to be that only one way is right (or they're all wrong). It can be possible that more than one of several ways of understanding something is right. They might be different ways of viewing something which are not mutually contradictory. For example, all of these statements could be true at the same time, since none of them implies the necessity of "this is the only way of viewing it": The Lord's Supper is a meal of remembrance. It is a sign of the new covenant. It is for spiritual nourishment. It is for thanksgiving ("eucharist"). It is an anticipation of the heavenly banquet. See, it could be all of those things. Yet there are books that describe multiple understandings of the Lord's Supper. It might just be that there isn't only one right way to view it.
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Somehow, I read the original post a bit differently than most in this thread. While it is true that I would never use the label, I saw Dominic's post as simply offering the graphic to those who would use it. For those to whom it would be useful, a simple thank you should suffice.
For the rest of us, a little humor should handle the situation. Reproduce the label as follows:
- red = non-Christian
- blue = non-Jewish
- green = non-Moslem
- yellow = non-Hindu
- purple = non-Buddhist
- mauve = non-Deist
- orange = non-scientific
- violet = non-artistic ....
- white = acceptable
Now imagine a large University library with students with the enthusiasm that only the young can display. They are running around the library slapping their stickers on all "offensive" books and covering all "incorrect" labels with white labels. The stacks of labels gets thicker and thicker until the width added by the stickers expands to the point the books don't fit on the shelves. They start spilling over into the aisles, the study cubicles, the elevators trapping the students on the upper floors. .... feel free to expand on the image as far as you would like. .... but for the sake of Suzzallo library I will refrain. I would rather teach critical thinking than participate in the destruction of a library.
Seriously, however, I can imagine small group situations where I would be willing to label something as non-Christian. People take small steps towards critical thinking as they grow mentally. Where they are on that journey matters. It may be easier to warn them in advance rather than dissuade them by logic afterward.
So Dominic I give you a sincere thanks but no thanks and hope you understand that some will find your graphic useful even if they have not explicitly thanked you on the forums.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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So Dominic I give you a sincere thanks but no thanks and hope you understand that some will find your graphic useful even if they have not explicitly thanked you on the forums.
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I would say "Me too" but DominicM started me wondering what would happen after my death if the recipient of my library didn't know a heretic from a saint........... I would be devastated to be responsible for their misleading. This needs much preponderance. Thanks for bringing it up.So Dominic I give you a sincere thanks but no thanks and hope you understand that some will find your graphic useful even if they have not explicitly thanked you on the forums.
same hereWe always have the option to group things in collections. Why not differentiate by denominations and doctrine?
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Why not differentiate by denominations and doctrine?
Good question! [Y] Why not? [^o)]
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Re Dante, why should we be surprised.. Thankfully the Lord is coming back... Maranatha!
Peace, Dominic! ... and Joy in the Lord!
Maranatha! Indeed! Yes! Thank you for all your very helpful and positive contributons to these Logos Forums.
Many appreciate you greatly, methinks! *smile*
Psalm 139:17-18
Philippians 4: 4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........
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We always have the option to group things in collections. Why not differentiate by denominations and doctrine?
I do so, so that they can be separate sections in the Bible Guide/Exegetical Guide. However, I am deliberately subjective e.g. Anglican materials are divided between Anglo-Catholic and non-Anglo-Catholic. An Anglican/Episcopalian would be amused at where I put authors. It has much more to do with where I want the book to appear than the actual stance of the author.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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We always have the option to group things in collections. Why not differentiate by denominations and doctrine?
I do so, so that they can be separate sections in the Bible Guide/Exegetical Guide. However, I am deliberately subjective e.g. Anglican materials are divided between Anglo-Catholic and non-Anglo-Catholic. An Anglican/Episcopalian would be amused at where I put authors. It has much more to do with where I want the book to appear than the actual stance of the author.
There are also authors who are transdenominational, and it's hard to put a single label on them. Tagging is a good option, because you can have multiple tags for someone who fits into multiple categories. I have collections for various theological positions, but some authors defy categorization and either show up in multiple collections or none (at least none of the "position" based ones). They might show up still in topical collections, in which case I don't care what denominational perspective they come from, as long as they have something to contribute on that particular topic, be it Arts or Philosophy or whatever. I use the star rating system to put lower value on those who come from a perspective I really can't usually stomach. But I have very few of those in my library. Most of them are hidden (or I never bought them in the first place), but I keep a few around as representatives of their perspective, in case I need to look up what the "----s" think about such-and-such.
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Heresy is a word that should be reserved for teaching that is completely outside the boundaries of Christian faith, such as denying the deity of Christ or the resurrection of our Lord. It is not a Word that should be used just for teaching outside our particular tradition or beliefs.
Only a complete fool believes his/her tradition has a monopoly on truth.
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Heresy is a word that should be reserved for teaching that is completely outside the boundaries of Christian faith, such as denying the deity of Christ or the resurrection of our Lord. It is not a Word that should be used just for teaching outside our particular tradition or beliefs.
Only a complete fool believes his/her tradition has a monopoly on truth.
This is interesting:
I know some Muslims, Catholics, Presby, Mormons, LDS, SDA, Baptists, Reformed, Protestant Rrefromed, Evan. Free, Reformed Evan. Free, Episcopalian, Luthren, Plymouth Brethren that would disagree.
Why, even Jesus stated that HE was the Way and the Truth, "...NO man comes to the Father EXCEPT through Me." Surely you are not counting Him as a fool are you?
But you did use the word "tradition", something that the Pharisee's and the Sadducee's were proud of....much like many today.
[no need to reply unless you feel compelled to, just an observation that I felt compelled to reply to]
Thanks.
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Wow.. thought this thread had died naturally.
Kinda wish I'd never posted it now, didnt realise it would prove so offensive/confusing
Maybe the thread can go back to sleep again, and we can get back to our respective ministries..
Never Deprive Anyone of Hope.. It Might Be ALL They Have
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Sorry, didn't mean to wake you, I turned the email notice off......
By the way I find that most users here do not put their denominational faith in their profile, it's as if they are embarrasssed to let others know what/how they believe.
Thanks for your time.
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By the way I find that most users here do not put their denominational faith in their profile, it's as if they are embarrasssed to let others know what/how they believe.
For my profile, embarrassed = no, denominational label does not affect discussions about using Logos Bible Software.
Thankful for this thread and personal book label idea. After reading many forum replies by a variety of people suspect 100 % agreement to not label any Logos resource is not humanly possible. Discussion why would be appropriate somewhere else.
Thankful for many friendly forum discussions about using Logos Bible Software: have learned a lot plus have a lot to learn. Likewise Thankful for many free Logos and Vyrso resources plus base packages and sales. Thankful for Logos Personal Book tool.
Keep Smiling [:)]
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Sorry, didn't mean to wake you, I turned the email notice off......
By the way I find that most users here do not put their denominational faith in their profile, it's as if they are embarrasssed to let others know what/how they believe.
Thanks for your time.
I'm not embarrassed at all. I, however, have been associated with more than one and for the most part consider myself either multi- or non-denominational. Currently, I am at a church that is affiliated with the Evangelical Free Church of America. I think this denomination is absolutely wonderful! I also have been with churches that are affiliated with the Calvary Chapel movement.
I'm a premillennial dispensationalist and young-earth creationist.
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