Journals: The poor cousin that few seem to care about any more!
WARNING: Rant
The bright star of Logos and other Bible programmes was that we could get Galaxie Theological Journals. Galaxie trail blazed the way bringing this incredible resource to our desktops. I remember some of the Logos Marketing spin quoting Mark Driscoll stating the virtues of journals over commentaries. It was and still is one of the most potent resources for my research.
Now a few years later after quoting Mark, it appears that journals are the poor cousin that gets little attention. Previously we got the lastest journals update about Christmas time. We are already half way through 2012 and we still haven't received last year's volumes. Themelios, which I was delighted that Logos picked up, hasn't done an update since last April. BAR hasn't been updated in years now.
Am I the only one left that cares about this resource? In the absence of information from Logos, I have to wonder. The Galaxie journals update went into 'production' with a delivery date then went back into contract and the explanation was that there was problems with the text or something. OK that was a couple of months ago, but there's not even a delivery date yet. We are getting to the point that the next volume could easily be included.
I mean really... how hard can tagging journals be? They aren't that complicated. Is the quest for delivering every other type of resource under the sun along with all the other initiatves killing off this incredible resource? I would really like to see this return to a reasonable production cycle. Are there others that feel the same, or has journals become the poor cousin that few seem to care about any more?
Sorry for the rant. I am sure that I will get told off for misunderstanding what is going on, but there has been precious little communicated on this that I can find.
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It was and still is one of the most potent resources for my research.
there's not even a delivery date yet. We are getting to the point that the next volume could easily be included.
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In an email from Bob about a month ago, he said he thought Galaxie was handling this, not Logos.
Still, we are over halfway through the year and they are still not available. It makes me wonder, again, if Logos has their hands in too many things. I have my own rants, that I will not unleash on any of you right now, that I would like to see solved. A few years ago the customer service and communication at Logos was pristine. It seems today that it simply is not a priority anymore.
I canceled my prepub a few months back, with so many CP things coming out it doesn't make sense to allocate that money to what has so far been a standstill project.
In an email from Bob about a month ago, he said he thought Galaxie was handling this, not Logos.
The Galaxie web site says "All Galaxie Logos products are now sold through the Logos online store. Please visit http://www.logos.com/galaxie to order." Also note that all tech support is now handled through them.
In speaking with Galaxie they say that they have nothing to do with its development or publication anymore. In response to that conversation I contacted Logos, who said Galaxie was responsible. After that conversation is when I contacted Bob. Still, the fact remains that the latest collection is past due and that the communication on when, if, why, etc has been slow.
Dominick,
I am grateful to you for this information and your explanation because I am a longtime purchaser of Galaxie products (journals) although I have not been visiting their site for a long time. Logos has so much going that it is obvious that it will not receive the attention that Galaxie gave their product which was a main draw for Galaxie.
Yours in Him,
Ergatees
I have all of the previous journals and cancelled my pre-pub as well. By far the journals are the highlight of what I enjoy reading. Since I have recently acquired an iPad, I will not be purchasing any books through Logos which does not have access to a mobile device. I rarely use my computer now and the thought of having to go back to reading off of a laptop is not pleasant.
I also have the BAR journals which are mentioned in this thread. Again, it is to bad that these frequently used resources are going by the way-side.
Don
For those who use the theological journals I did put into a Word document that has the indexes and articles of each of the journals. This was done in the Spring and in case some haven't heard. Here is the link to the to zip files:
http://community.logos.com/forums/t/46253.aspx
Don
I have all of the previous journals and cancelled my pre-pub as well. By far the journals are the highlight of what I enjoy reading. Since I have recently acquired an iPad, I will not be purchasing any books through Logos which does not have access to a mobile device. I rarely use my computer now and the thought of having to go back to reading off of a laptop is not pleasant.
I also have the BAR journals which are mentioned in this thread. Again, it is to bad that these frequently used resources are going by the way-side.
Don
I also have an aversion to reading from a laptop if the content is available from either my iPad or my Android tablets. Among other things, it is a lot easier on my neck and shoulders at the end of the day.
How do you tell whether a particular product is available on mobile devices prior to purchase? And, specifically, is the TJL available for mobile use?
Thanks,
David
I mean really... how hard can tagging journals be? They aren't that complicated. Is the quest for delivering every other type of resource under the sun along with all the other initiatves killing off this incredible resource? I would really like to see this return to a reasonable production cycle. Are there others that feel the same, or has journals become the poor cousin that few seem to care about any more?
Sorry for the rant. I am sure that I will get told off for misunderstanding what is going on, but there has been precious little communicated on this that I can find.
When it got pulled out a few months ago a developer freely responded here that "We have found some significant problems in the text", which does not remotely even suggest it is a "tagging" problem.
http://community.logos.com/forums/t/49312.aspx?PageIndex=1
Be remininded these materials come from a wide variety of sources. With each passing year content customization to fit needs more specifically or support unique and useful features is less expensive and easier. So I am not surprised that standardizing such content from such a vast number of sources presents more difficulty than it did even just one two years ago. I work in the data warehousing industry, where it is the full time task of content incorporaters to do just what Logos has to do for these resourses. I know what I am talking aobut here. I am not just speculalting.
BAR is not interested in creating a new DVD update. I've spoken with them. If they understood that it could just be electronic, that might be better, but it's unlikely to be updated. Alas.
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Be remininded these materials come from a wide variety of sources. With each passing year content customization to fit needs more specifically or support unique and useful features is less expensive and easier. So I am not surprised that standardizing such content from such a vast number of sources presents more difficulty than it did even just one two years ago. I work in the data warehousing industry, where it is the full time task of content incorporaters to do just what Logos has to do for these resourses.
Agreed. I am fully aware of the mechanics of what goes on in relation to managing this data. It is speculation though to say handling this text is beyond Logos' capability though. They are handling tens of thousands of pages of data now annually particularly with all the public domain stuff that is being cranked out and so in comparison, could this project be taxing their abilities? Regardless, Themelios which was updated last year hasn't even had a new update go on pre pub. It's really sad to see the growing absence of BAR, which was another gem to have in your library.
My point is, do people still want these resources? It seems from the silence that they are getting little attention. I also recall tons of marketing from Logos how this was one of their most popular add ons, a quote from Mark Driscoll, etc. If the user base doesn't speak up or there is some great plan that we don't know about, it is not inconceivable that they will just disappear. This would be a pity because they are good value on many levels.
If the user base doesn't speak up
I want to continue to see the Journals in Logos....
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I too miss the journals and would like to see more attention given to them.
Charlene
My point is, do people still want these resources? It seems from the silence that they are getting little attention. I also recall tons of marketing from Logos how this was one of their most popular add ons, a quote from Mark Driscoll, etc. If the user base doesn't speak up or there is some great plan that we don't know about, it is not inconceivable that they will just disappear. This would be a pity because they are good value on many levels.
As a long-time Logos user for research and writing, the Journals would be my #1 resource! I'm waiting!
Ok, you got me to speak up. I think the journals are the best value going. The scholarship, breadth and depth of articles and the usefulness to seminary students, like me, is incredible. I too am waiting patiently but really would like to see this product released.
It's really sad to see the growing absence of BAR
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I am a very dedicated collector of journals in Logos, and I share the disappointment at the lack of updates. More than that, I would really like to see the scope of journals expanded significantly. I would love to see these.
* The Bible Translator. Technical Papers (ISSN 0260-0935)
* Bulletin for Biblical Research (ISSN 1065-223X)
* Expository Times (ISSN 1745-5308; Internet edition)
* Journal for the Renewal of Religion and Theology (ISSN 1834-3627)
* Journal for the Study of the New Testament (ISSN 0142-064X)
* Journal for the Study of the Old Testament (ISSN 0309-0892)
* Journal for the Study of the Pseudepigrapha (ISSN 1745-5286)
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here's another vote for the journals.
The journals are the reason I have logos. It's value is unmatched by any other resource. When libronix was axed, Logos took over the journals. Everything changed when L4 came. Companies no longer could produce materials and sell it in the libronix format. Galaxie has not produced any journals since L4 came out. It is really a surprise to hear Bob suggest that the journals are the work of Galaxie. All resources are now in the control of logos, including the journals.
here's another vote for the journals.
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My forum friends,
You all speak my language and share my passion for journals. I agree with what has been said here regarding the value of journals, and I also share your desire for these vital tools for research.
I want you to know that I am doing what I can to get the very best in Biblical scholarship for all of you. I read the forums daily (and try to answer as many questions that I can), and take note of all that you ask for. I want you to know that I do all that is within my power to make sure Logos is on the cutting edge of biblical scholarship.
Keep requesting and making suggestions, I am listening. [:)]
Cliff
My forum friends,You all speak my language and share my passion for journals.
Thank you, Cliff
It does help to know we are being heard.
want you to know that I do all that is within my power to make sure Logos is on the cutting edge of biblical scholarship.
Is it within your power to tell us a little bit about what we can expect in regard to the release of the last volume of Galaxie Journals and also an update to Themelios? I appreciate BAR is more complicated. What about other journals? As much as I appreciate your response and I do believe Logos reads these forums, you haven't said anything in specific about anything. I appreciate there may be commercial issues at stake here, but something, even a hint of something possibly to come would be welcomed when it is within your or Logo's power to do so.
Sorry to be a persistent student, but a half of a year late on Galaxie, I feel its time for the Logos users who do care about journals to do some knocking at the door.
Keep requesting and making suggestions, I am listening.
Glad to know that you are listening; however, your post has told us nothing. We have multiple posts in at least two threads, but no information as to when these journals may be coming—or even solid assurance that they will ever come.
We hear that Logos is producing them; then Bob says he thinks Galaxie is doing them. Does anybody there know what is actually happening?
You are not. This has been discussed in at least one other thread, but Logos still has not shed any real light on the subject. Do not understand how Hampton with limited resources could accomplish what the entire Logos company cannot.
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