Logos 4: Can I Add a third party libraries intended for Logos 3 and have it recorgnized by Logos 4?

Peter,

I have the Theological Journals installed on the computer and when I downloaded L4, the journals showed up in L4 and I have access to them in L3 as well.

Peter Banks said:

I don't currently have any version 3 software that was not installed and working on verison 3 then discovered by 4 Logos when I installed version 4.

I was hoping to find out before go spend a $100.00 for the Galaxie software church history cd to replace my Calvin's pbb commentaries .  I don't like to gamble with my money when it is more than a dollar.

Peter,

Your PBB's will be available in a few months. If you can wait, I'd save the money.

Chris

Will L4 then need to rebuild the entire index to integrate the newly found resources into L4?  If so, that will take some time...

I wasn't able to do this. It just searches for the word scan, rather than scan for unlocked titles. I upgraded from Logos 3, where I had the Theological Library 4, MacArthur Lifeworks, Hayford Lifeworks, and a bunch of E4 software from when they supported Logos software. I upgraded to Logos 4 and everything transfered over with no problems.

However, I just recently purchased an old R.C. Sproul Lifeworks disc and I was able to install on Logos 3 with the whole program manager, copy unlock on media, etc. When I opened Logos 4, it wasn't available there. I don't know what to do and support had a 30 minute wait which seemed longer so I hung up.

I'm disappointed that Logos 4 doesn't have that same tool on Logos 3 under tools and resource manager, location, etc.

BTW, this Sproul CD was so old that it had no license # prompt so I doubt that anything went to the Logos server where it would then sync with my Logos 4.

Any help would be much appreciated, Thanks!!!

RickHogaboam said:

I wasn't able to do this. It just searches for the word scan, rather than scan for unlocked titles. I upgraded from Logos 3, where I had the Theological Library 4, MacArthur Lifeworks, Hayford Lifeworks, and a bunch of E4 software from when they supported Logos software. I upgraded to Logos 4 and everything transfered over with no problems.

I'm not at all sure what "this" is. I think you must be talking about the scan command

Type "scan c:\path\to\my\libronix\resources" in the command window (put the path you have for your L3 resources and don't put in the " marks)

It will scan your L3 resources and add any that aren't in your L4. You may have to sync (Update Now or even Update Resources) after that to get any updates of those resources that are available for L4 - Logos is going through everything, from every publisher and updating it.

Chris

RonaldQuick said:

My Lucado Lifeworks books transferred over - but I have not been able to play the audio books.

Ronald,

Audio Books are still to come.

did the scans and nada, nothing. i see the sync icon go, but nothing gets updated.

I checked on my L3 system and it doesn't show the Sproul library in the licenses. I am able to access my Sproul books on L3 though.

Again, I am able to access all the other old stuff as it transferred over on the initial install, but I added this Sproul library after L4 was operative. Don't know what to do. Thanks for your help though!!!

That will depend on the size of your PBB collection.

Damian, just a "gentle" question:

Should we be saying anything concrete about PBB's except that they will eventually be available?

We have not yet even been able to beta test the new PBB add-in. (Hopefully available 2nd quarter of 2010).

There are already so many posters here confused because they have "lost" their PBB's.

With respect,

Steve

Damian McGrath said:

You're right. We don't know whether PBBs will be indexed or anything about them.

In the beta group (Logos 4 Philosophy >http://community.logos.com/forums/p/1154/9779.aspx#9779 ) Bob gave us this glimpse into their plans:

Bob Pritchett said:

I'm
sorry we weren't clear. We ABSOLUTELY intend to support both PBB and
SermonFile in a future release. The problem is that PBB in particular
uses Internet Explorer for its format and for display. And you've all
made it clear how you felt about our reliance on IE, :-), so we need to
do some serious work to re-do PBB.

This work will take some time, and the big open question is whether
or not we can intelligently and automatically conver the HTML in
existing PBB's to our core display engine, and whether or not the
inevitable incompatibilities will be acceptable or if we'll need to
require them to be rebulit. (My guess is it'll be worth
rebuilding/recompiling them.)

The good news is future PBB titles will be built using the exact
same format/engine as books we offer, meaning you will get infinitely
scrolling books and other important features.

We also intend to have an easy way to share your PBB books with
others via the web, but that takes so more code on the server side.

Thomas Black said:

Damian McGrath said:

You're right. We don't know whether PBBs will be indexed or anything about them.

In the beta group (Logos 4 Philosophy >http://community.logos.com/forums/p/1154/9779.aspx#9779 ) Bob gave us this glimpse into their plans:

Bob Pritchett said:

I'm sorry we weren't clear. We ABSOLUTELY intend to support both PBB and SermonFile in a future release. The problem is that PBB in particular uses Internet Explorer for its format and for display. And you've all made it clear how you felt about our reliance on IE, :-), so we need to do some serious work to re-do PBB.

This work will take some time, and the big open question is whether or not we can intelligently and automatically conver the HTML in existing PBB's to our core display engine, and whether or not the inevitable incompatibilities will be acceptable or if we'll need to require them to be rebulit. (My guess is it'll be worth rebuilding/recompiling them.)

The good news is future PBB titles will be built using the exact same format/engine as books we offer, meaning you will get infinitely scrolling books and other important features.

We also intend to have an easy way to share your PBB books with others via the web, but that takes so more code on the server side.

Thomas,  The beta forum link you posted doesn't go anywhere.......

Those paranoid "black helicopter" conspiracy theorists among us wonder if this means it might not happen. [H] It sure sounds ambitious and a welcome capability. Hope the roadmap has not changed. (Remember when Bill Gates shipped his book "The Road Taken"? The included CD-Rom was non-functional. [:D] ) Even the best laid plans can go awry.

Matthew C Jones said:

Thomas,  The beta forum link nyou posted doesn't go anywhere.......

Those paranoid "black helicopter" conspiracy theorists among us wonder if this means it might not happen.  It sure sounds ambitious and a welcome capability. Hope the roadmap has not changed. (Remember when Bill Gates shipped his book "The Road Taken"? The included CD-Rom was non-functional. Even the best laid plans can surprise you.

Matthew,

Shut down the motor on that bird!

The reason the link didn't work is because the beta forum is still only accessible to those who were in the beta group. The beta testers advised Logos not to open it up. What Bob has said, he's shown over the years, Bob will do. Don't attribute Gates' integrity to anyone with a "B" at the beginning of their name.

Besides, this commitment to the PBB is not hidden behind the beta wall it is right on the website list of features to come and when: http://www.logos.com/4/missingfeatures

Chris

Chris Elford said:

If you add something to L3, you'll need to use the "Scan" command in the command box in L4 with the full path to your L3 resources. L4 will scan the files and add any "new" ones you bring in after you initially install L4. When it is initially installed, L4 scans and moves over whatever is "unlocked." Your licenses in L3 are on the Logos server so L4 has them too. L4 won't move "locked" resources over. If you unlock something by buying it, the license on the Logos server is updated and L4 downloads the latest copy of the resource from the server.

I notice on the pre-pub page for a resource it says:

If you're using Logos Bible Software 4, you must choose the DOWNLOAD option. The 3.0 CD-ROM or DVD-ROM requires version 3 of the Libronix Digital Library System.

I'm assuming that is means that if you don't have version 3, then you must choose the version 4 download because the version 3 resource can't be used directly by Logos 4?

But if a person has both Logos 3 and Logos 4, and for various reasons wants to continue to be able to use both, then it would seem they must obtain the resource in version 3 format, but also know it will, once unlocked and synced, also be available in Logos 4?

Is there any scenario where a user with both Logos 3 and Logos 4 could purchase a resource in version 3 format and not be able to access it  in Logos 4 if everything works as it is supposed to?  If there isn't, then doesn't it make the best sense for those who want to continue to use Logos 3 to always purchase new resources in version 3 format so they are available on both?

Just double-checking before I sign up for a new pre-pub. I want to use it in both versions so assume I need to purchase the version 3 format--but would like to know otherwise if I'm misunderstanding how this works.

Dave Hooton said:

Your first Q is tautological - "if everything works as it is supposed to" there is no failure scenario!

Actually, this is not strictly true. I'm wanting to find out how it is intended to work, rather than how it happens to work at the moment (with possible bugs).  The intention, even when working perfectly, might have required purchasing separate resource formats for each version--although I doubted that would be the case. [:)]

Thanks for clarifying that what I suspected was the intention is how it is really supposed to work.