Searching a Single Bible broken on iPhone version 3.0
Hopefully it's just some easy thing that I'm overlooking, but the new version 3.0 seems to be sadly broken when doing a simple Bible search. Here's what I do:
- Go to the search pane.
- Tap the Bible button on the top right to do a Bible search, rather than a Basic search.
- Below the Find text box, the button shows Top Bibles, but since I don't want to search all of those versions, Tap the button, and from the rolling selector, choose a single version (like NAS, or KJV 1900, or HCSB, or ESV). Tap Done just above the rolling selector.
- Tap the Find text box and type a simple search word like sanctification. Tap Search.
- Results display quickly enough, but they are useless. They have no book identifiers, just chapter numbers (e.g., Chapter 4 - NAS. Also, the list is not in canonical order; it is some goofy random order (presumably driven by some "relevance" algorithm.
After Tapping the x button and the cancel button in the Find text box, the problem manifests itself--in the search history, the search I just did is listed as a Basic search, NOT a Bible search. If I repeat the above steps, but leave the rolling selector on Top Bibles, then a proper Bible search is done with results showing in canonical order with complete book, chapter, and verse references. But it is a search through all five top Bibles, which is not at all of interest to me.
Can someone please tell me what I'm missing, or confirm the problem?
Thanks!
Paul Johnson
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Hi Paul
It works correctly for me - on an iPad (but I would have expected this to be the same as the iPhone)
I think your analysis is correct and that you are executing a Basic search as opposed to a Bible one - can you double check that you have Bible selected when you perform the search?
Graham
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Graham - your screen shot seems to show a basic search which provides you with some helpful Bible References.
On the other hand - be it one Bible or many (here it is many) the Bible references are less helpful.
I don't seem to have Paul's problem with the rolling switch though.
tootle pip
Mike
How to get logs and post them.(now tagging post-apocalyptic fiction as current affairs) Latest Logos, MacOS, iOS and iPadOS
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Hi Mike
Graham - your screen shot seems to show a basic search which provides you with some helpful Bible References.
Why do you think this is a basic search? The "Bible" button is selected and I get the same results as when I do the same Bible search in L4.
Graham
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Hi Mike
Graham - your screen shot seems to show a basic search which provides you with some helpful Bible References.
Why do you think this is a basic search? The "Bible" button is selected and I get the same results as when I do the same Bible search in L4.
Graham
Hi Graham
I seem to think that this is a basic search because on my screen there seems to a different 'highlight' on the two buttons. Perhaps it is just an artefact on my monitor.
Do you see what I mean?
Yours
verses mine 
?tootle pip
Mike
How to get logs and post them.(now tagging post-apocalyptic fiction as current affairs) Latest Logos, MacOS, iOS and iPadOS
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Hi Mike
Hi Graham
I seem to think that this is a basic search because on my screen there seems to a different 'highlight' on the two buttons. Perhaps it is just an artefact on my monitor.
Do you see what I mean?
Yours
verses mine ?Yes, I see the difference - but I think yours is the Basic Search!
Graham
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Hi Mike
Hi Graham
I seem to think that this is a basic search because on my screen there seems to a different 'highlight' on the two buttons. Perhaps it is just an artefact on my monitor.
Do you see what I mean?
Yours
verses mine ?Yes, I see the difference - but I think yours is the Basic Search!
Graham
Graham - you are right - but how daft is that? The greyed out button is the live one.
Logos first in human/machine interface design.
We are going to need a standard answer for this one - it is bound to keep cropping up.
Edit - Having looked again I see now that this is not meant to be a sliding switch - but is meant to be a 'depressed button' not a very good implementation of the graphic I think.
We'll see if others find it intuitive!
tootle pip
Mike
How to get logs and post them.(now tagging post-apocalyptic fiction as current affairs) Latest Logos, MacOS, iOS and iPadOS
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Edit - Having looked again I see now that this is not meant to be a sliding switch - but is meant to be a 'depressed button'
Yes, I think this is the key here
We'll see if others find it intuitive!
Indeed[:)]
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I think your analysis is correct and that you are executing a Basic search as opposed to a Bible one - can you double check that you have Bible selected when you perform the search?
Graham
Hi Graham,
Yes, the Bible button is pressed when I do the searches. (Which, in my opinion is the way it should work.) Interestingly, I tried some searches offline. Using the ESV it does a proper Bible search. However, using the NAS it only does a Basic search. Maybe the programmers don't consider the NAS to be a Bible! :-)
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Hi Paul
I still don't see the problem in the NAS as per the screen shot below
I get the same results whether searching online or offline
Graham
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Hi Paul
I still don't see the problem in the NAS as per the screen shot below
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I get the same results whether searching online or offline
Graham
Glad to hear it is working on iPads. Can anyone out there in user-land confirm whether or not they have the same issue as I have (see above) when searching a single Bible on an iPhone or an iPod Touch?
Much appreciated!
Paul
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Can someone please tell me what I'm missing, or confirm the problem?
Your steps were perfectly laid out and I can confirm the issues!
Hi alabama24,
I am unfortunately unable to reproduce this issue in the latest build, whether online or offline. Paul - can you give us more information on the iPhone model, iOS version, etc? Thanks!
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Can someone please tell me what I'm missing, or confirm the problem?
Your steps were perfectly laid out and I can confirm the issues!
Hi alabama24,
I am unfortunately unable to reproduce this issue in the latest build, whether online or offline. Paul - can you give us more information on the iPhone model, iOS version, etc? Thanks!
Hi Kevin,
Your screen shot shows that you ARE reproducing the problem! What book of the Bible is the Chapter 4 - NASB95 search result in? What book of the Bible is the Chapter 6 - NASB95 search result in? When you do a Bible search, the full reference is listed.
If you x out of the search you did above and look at the search history list, you will see that the sanctification search was a Basic search, not a Bible search.
Regards,
Paul
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I am unfortunately unable to reproduce this issue in the latest build, whether online or offline.
Actually, your screen shot shows the issue reproduced! Let me explain the issue (at least as I understand it).
- The hits don't designate the reference. The third one does (Psalm 141), but the first two do not.
- The hits are in an apparent random order (rather than canonical order, for example).
- In my screen shot below, the two searches appear as "Basic" rather than "Bible" (I have no idea if there is any significance to this or not. Was the search actually performed as a "basic" search, or is the fact that the history says it was a "basic" search meaningless?)
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Actually, your screen shot shows the issue reproduced! Let me explain the issue (at least as I understand it).
- The hits don't designate the reference. The third one does (Psalm 141), but the first two do not.
- The hits are in an apparent random order (rather than canonical order, for example).
- In my screen shot below, the two searches appear as "Basic" rather than "Bible" (I have no idea if there is any significance to this or not. Was the search actually performed as a "basic" search, or is the fact that the history says it was a "basic" search meaningless?)
Yes, the point is that though the "Bible" button was pressed by the user with the intention to do a Bible search, the app is actually doing a Basic search. I don't have online access for my iPod at the moment, so I can't include a screen shot, but if you do a Bible search and in the rolling selector choose "Top Bibles" rather than "NAS", you will get an actual Bible search and the difference in the results will be very apparent (and, in my opinion, much more useful than the results offered with a Basic search).
Regards,
Paul
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if you do a Bible search and in the rolling selector choose "Top Bibles" rather than "NAS", you will get an actual Bible search and the difference in the results will be very apparent (and, in my opinion, much more useful than the results offered with a Basic search).
I don't think I am seeing what you are in this area. I am in agreement with the other...
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if you do a Bible search and in the rolling selector choose "Top Bibles" rather than "NAS", you will get an actual Bible search and the difference in the results will be very apparent (and, in my opinion, much more useful than the results offered with a Basic search).
I don't think I am seeing what you are in this area. I am in agreement with the other...
Unfortunately, since I don't have online access for my iPod at the moment, I can't do a "Top Bibles" search, nor can I post a screen shot. It won't be until much later tonight or even tomorrow that I'll have opportunity to do that........Actually, if you look earlier in this thread at Graham Criddle's first response, you will see a screen shot (on an iPad) of the actual Bible search. You see full references (e.g., Rom. 6:19; Rom. 6:22 NOT just Chapter 6, Chapter 6) and the results are sorted in canonical order. The iPod/iPhone app will do this with a "Top Bibles" search (at least mine did yesterday), but not with a single version selected. I'll try to verify this later tonight or tomorrow.
Regards,
Paul
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You see full references (e.g., Rom. 6:19; Rom. 6:22 NOT just Chapter 6, Chapter 6) and the results are sorted in canonical order. The iPod/iPhone app will do this with a "Top Bibles" search (at least mine did yesterday), but not with a single version selected. I'll try to verify this later tonight or tomorrow.
It's strange Paul, but when I tried "top bibles" earlier, it didn't work. I tried it just now and it did… the first time. I tried a couple of other groupings and I got a garbled mess. When I went back to "top bibles" to get a screen shot, it was garbled. I can't get it to work properly now.
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It's strange Paul, but when I tried "top bibles" earlier, it didn't work. I tried it just now and it did… the first time. I tried a couple of other groupings and I got a garbled mess. When I went back to "top bibles" to get a screen shot, it was garbled. I can't get it to work properly now.
Hi alabama24,
Your statement makes the point that I've tried to raise from time to time in these forums. As nice as community notes are, etc., some of us would really like to have some serious attention paid to the basics, like searching. We still are not able to narrow the context of a Bible search to a specific book of the Bible or to the Gospels, etc. At the moment (as we have been discussing), even searching the whole Bible doesn't work properly! Can't get much more basic than this in a Bible app!
Anyway, I've been able to create the screen shots I promised earlier. Here is a "Top Bibles" search that shows results as you would expect them--Full book, chapter, verse references and sorted in canonical order:
Next is an attempt at a single version Bible search (note that the "Bible" button in the top right is "depressed"). You'll see that reference citations refer only to the Chapter number and results are not sorted in canonical order:
(Note that the search result for Psalm 141 seems to have a more complete reference, but I think that is just because instead of tagging the "chapters" as "Chapter 141" they are tagged as "Psalm 141".)
Finally, here is a screen shot after tapping the x and Cancel buttons to show search history. You will see that the NAS search is identified as a Basic search, but the Top Bibles search is identified as a Bible search:
Interestingly, my history shows that one of my ESV searches was a Bible search, rather than a Basic search.....I haven't been able to repeat that! All of them since then are doing the same goofy thing that the NAS ones have been doing all along.
Kevin, if you're reading, hopefully you can pass this along to the programmers, and hopefully we get a fix sooner rather than later. The inability to do even simple searches is what keeps me going to Olive Tree rather than Logos on my iPod.
Regards,
Paul
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Can someone please tell me what I'm missing, or confirm the problem?
Your steps were perfectly laid out and I can confirm the issues!
Hi alabama24,
I am unfortunately unable to reproduce this issue in the latest build, whether online or offline. Paul - can you give us more information on the iPhone model, iOS version, etc? Thanks!
Hi Kevin,
Your screen shot shows that you ARE reproducing the problem! What book of the Bible is the Chapter 4 - NASB95 search result in? What book of the Bible is the Chapter 6 - NASB95 search result in? When you do a Bible search, the full reference is listed.
If you x out of the search you did above and look at the search history list, you will see that the sanctification search was a Basic search, not a Bible search.
Regards,
Paul
Thanks Paul,
The issue of Book names not appearing and (also) of results being shown out of order with Basic searches was written up over two weeks ago. I thought you meant that NO results were showing with an NAS online/offline Bible Search. I'll write up another case - thanks for the report!
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I am having the same issue as described I do a BIBLE search in a NKJV Bible and get BASIC results and the history says that I am doing a BASIC search but I am not.
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Hi Steve,
This issue has been fixed in development builds and the new versions of Logos apps have been submitted to the App store.
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Hi Steve,
This issue has been fixed in development builds and the new versions of Logos apps have been submitted to the App store.
I am happy to say that in v. 3.1.1, it appears this issue has been fixed! Thank you!
Now, Kevin, any chance of getting some action on Mark Smith's list of desired search improvements here:
http://community.logos.com/forums/p/55130/399882.aspx#399882
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Regards,
Paul
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Now, Kevin, any chance of getting some action on Mark Smith's list of desired search improvements here:
http://community.logos.com/forums/p/55130/399882.aspx#399882
We're aware of many improvements that can be made to Search. To quote Dave Dunkin (the iOS Dev manager) in the above thread, "We have some improvements already specced and [are] waiting for developer time to implement." Thanks for your patience.
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