Are these commentaries no longer sold separately? I don't see them on the Logos website. Thanks
Interesting. They are indeed gone. Also, the EEC product page needs to be updated to indicate that James, too, will now be downloaded upon purchase ($999.95).
Interesting. They are indeed gone.
Ha, I'm glad that I got the excellent James commentary then just in time. The individual resource links in the box to Ezra/Nehemiah, Philemon and 1-3 John lead back to the series page - which killed the individual reviews (I remember Joe giving five stars to 1-3 John) whereas those ten regarding the series are more heat than light IMO.
I did a search for eec and they are still available.
http://www.logos.com/product/7565/evangelical-exegetical-commentary
Not to sale these commentaries individiually would be a big mistake. If they don't find a larger market, these commentaries will never be acccepted by the larger evangelical ( or for that matter the larger scholary) community as a significant resource. And that endangers the completion of the project. On top of that, the selected authors (with a few notable exceptions) have a limited theological perspective that already makes wide acceptance questionable. (It is heavily weighted toward dispensationalism.) The limited viewpoint doesn't mean it can't be a financial success because dispensationalism is a large market. But that on top of a decision to require all or none purchasing does indeed give this set a steep hill to climb.
That is just one person's opinion.
This is really going to make me mad. I bought all of the ones that have been released on the assumption I would be able to continue to do so. If they change this back I am really going to be upset. I understand some were upset that they began selling these in the first place but that has seemed to have blown over, why would Logos want to upset another whole user base? I hope this is a temporary thing and they bring them back.
I was one of the early adopters of the whole set, and I agree with you that it would be a big mistake for Logos to withdraw the individual volume sale.
Are these commentaries no longer sold separately? I don't see them on the Logos website. Thanks I did a search for eec and they are still available. http://www.logos.com/product/7565/evangelical-exegetical-commentary
No, this is the series, not the works separately.
Are these commentaries no longer sold separately? I don't see them on the Logos website. Thanks I did a search for eec and they are still available. http://www.logos.com/product/7565/evangelical-exegetical-commentary No, this is the series, not the works separately.
Yes, I understand. I realized that I misread the original post and tried to fix my response. Decided to leave it alone and wait for a response (You) after failing to delete my reply. Sorry. [:)]
I realized that I misread the original post and tried to fix my response. Decided to leave it alone and wait for a response (You) after failing to delete my reply.
I think you can only delete posts as long as no one replied to them, but you could edit it. But there was no harm done here.
I realized that I misread the original post and tried to fix my response. Decided to leave it alone and wait for a response (You) after failing to delete my reply. I think you can only delete posts as long as no one replied to them, but you could edit it. But there was no harm done here.
Thanks NB.Mick. Thank God this was non-destruction and recoverable. I'll have to look into the editing features. [:)]
I hope someone from Logos can offer some clarification. First they only sold as a complete set. Then they added the option to purchase individual volumes. Now they seemed to have changed their minds yet again. I want to purchase the James commentary of this set, but they are gone.
First they only sold as a complete set. Then they added the option to purchase individual volumes. Now they seemed to have changed their minds yet again.
As per Phil, that's the case. One the one hand, many "early adopters" complained about selling the commentaries individually so early, on the other hand, maybe Logos were looking into the situation after they had opened it. Speculation: Perhaps Logos optimists expected many sales and a certain amount of increase in the subscriptions to the series - those users who saw the value in one and wanted to have all of them. Maybe one or both of this expectations didn't realize. I can imagine the subcription rate dropping to zero, since due to the long-stretched delivery schedule and the small price of the individual volumes, people now thought they can add every single one of the commentaries (or e.g. only the NT ones, or only those for major books) to their libraries when it appears. Maybe it was even worse: subscribers claiming their money back, perhaps making a (pretended) argument about the delivery schedule of a certain volume, while secretly hoping to still get all of EEC they want but without the long-term committment.
However, I am with those who question the success of a new commentary series which is not proliferated, which is not reviewed, cited in other commentaries and in books about commentaries and isn't on the recommended reading list of the seminaries.
I want to purchase the James commentary of this set, but they are gone
Too bad. James is the one I have and I happen to think it's excellent. If you are desparate you may try find someone who bought it and now sells it to you (there'll be a $20 transfer fee from Logos on top), if you really really need it and find no-one you may ask me...
However, I think of one three star reviewer on http://www.logos.com/product/7565/evangelical-exegetical-commentary who wrote "I don't like the idea of buying a whole series without having the chance to dig into at least one. Too bad that Logos chooses to publish it this way... " and got 'likes' for it. In light of Jayson Bradley's very convincing Logos Blog entry http://blog.logos.com/2011/02/how_to_check_out_a_collectionrisk-free/ I would urge Logos to open up the sale of at least one of the existing EEC volumes to allow people to test-drive and multipliers to review. This one volume should IMO be James: a relevant book, interesting because of the perceived discrepancies to Pauline letters, a commentary with some interesting theories, such as James was the first NT book written. It even has its page on BestCommentaries and collected some points to make it #19. Maybe let someone even make it into a Kindle format book and put it on Amazon. It's not so much about getting excellent reviews (which should happen nevertheless) but about getting the word out.
My 2c
Mick
Speculation: Perhaps Logos
The post immediately after yours reveals the reason Logos withdrew the individual volume sale.
The problem was that the marketing had made it clear that it was only going to be sold as a set.
As a very early subscriber to the entire set, I believe Logos—and the community—would be better served by offering individual volumes. No matter which way they go, someone will whine.
However, I do not think that a publisher’s "freedom to revise a strategy" extends to going back on previous marketing statements
That is why they have locked themselves into withdrawing the individual volumes. Like you, I applaud Logos for putting principle above profit in this matter. But I still would like to see them offer individual volumes. Unfortunately, we cannot have it both ways.
Speculation: Perhaps Logos The post immediately after yours reveals the reason Logos withdrew the individual volume sale.
No, I don't think so. Only Logos can do this, but typically they don't disclose this type of information. Phil choose to tell us that they re-evaluated their decision to offer individual volumes, but not why they choose to overthrow it.
I believe Logos—and the community—would be better served by offering individual volumes.
I applaud Logos for putting principle above profit in this matter. But I still would like to see them offer individual volumes. Unfortunately, we cannot have it both ways
The post immediately after yours reveals the reason Logos withdrew the individual volume sale. No, I don't think so. Only Logos can do this, but typically they don't disclose this type of information. Phil choose to tell us that they re-evaluated their decision to offer individual volumes, but not why they choose to overthrow it.
I think you misread Phil.
After several internal discussions and carefully reviewing our prior marketing statements, we decided that we should not make individual EEC volumes available for purchase yet
His post only makes sense if the internal discussion revealed that Logos had indeed previously stated that this commentary would only be available as a set. I also had an email discussion with someone above Phil in the chain of command.
I am one that also committed to ECC from the start. Its a heap of cash for something that I wont see many volumes for years yet.
I commited to it for various reasons, including that it seemed to need the support before Logos was even going to do the project. Otherwise it was going to die, or so it seemed.
I was deeply upset and felt ripped off and lied to when I discovered the single books on sale. So the reversal addresses that concern, as I expect Logos reviewed what had been posted and emailed by them to us customers.
I see value to single volume sales, but the sales pitch and commitments made some big claims and I'm pleased Logos has stood behind what they said and what a fair reading of it would them expect from such a company.
I have begun reading the James volume. So far I'm still exploring the ideas about James rather than Peter being the head of the Christian Church.
