seriously? Jack Daniel's Cookbook on Vyrso
I understand that, just like Logos, Vyrso is a library. It may have opposing views and perspectives (Arminian vs. Calvinist, Catholic vs. Reformed, etc.) But producing a Jack Daniel's Cookbook? Seriously? What is the benefit of it for the Vyrso/Logos userbase?
- its numerous scripture references are tagged to open a preferred Bible?
- its index allows a seamless integration into sermon preparation workflow?
- sync2 can facilitate users sharing notes and their own recipes based on Jack Daniels?
While I applaud Bob's ambition to add thousands of new titles to Vyrso, I strongly suggest drawing a line against selling this book and titles like it.
Otherwise, what is next? Christian erotica and Harlequin's novels?
So, let me ask a blunt question from the LOGOS team: "what is the criteria for titles as a Vyrso candidate?"
For everyone on the forums: Would you buy this book and why?
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toughski said:
So, let me ask a blunt question from the LOGOS team: "what is the criteria for titles as a Vyrso candidate?"
It's a Thomas Nelson book. It is a book you could find at your local "Christian" bookstore.
toughski said:For everyone on the forums: Would you buy this book and why?
Nope… but I don't care if others do. I am not offended that Vyrso is selling it. I do think it is funny that Thomas Nelson is doing it ("funny" meaning "what were they thinking.")
toughski said:I strongly suggest drawing a line against selling this book and titles like it.
Otherwise, what is next? Christian erotica and Harlequin's novels?I am a teetotaler of personal conviction, but I have no problems with those whose conviction on alcohol is different than mine (Jesus did turn water into wine after all).
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Ah, but Alabama ... that water in Cana was not that delicious Tennessee mountain stream-water. It's no wonder Cana was such an unbelievable miracle.
I've been reading Abegg's 'new' translation on the sectarian scrolls ... surprisingly they made a major criticism on the ceremonial water, in addition to living streams. I've no clue what they thought their own cleansing pools were for. In fact, the more I think about it, the more it sounds like some rebellious Qumran-ian got tired of taking baths.
Ok .. back to JD.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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This seems to be an update to a 2009 Tennessee cookbook published by Thomas Nelson that received some quite good user feedback on Amazon. It seems there are recipes as well as sort of background info about southern cooking and hospitality in it. At least the old book did not require the use of alcoholic ingredients in every recipe, the users say.
I personally am not a drinker of Whisky (nothing against wine or a glass of beer) but I appreciate using the flavour if it increases taste - the alcohol will probably evaporate during cooking/baking/roasting/whatever. So for me this is just another fancy cookboook.
Why would I buy it? Some people love cookbooks, even though they hardly ever follw the recipes - this holds esepcially true for those books that try to bring accross the feeling of a region etc. My family belongs to this strange tribe. We own dozens of cookbooks and it's nice thinking back to vacation in Spain by thumbing through a Catalunya cookbook. Basically, most cookbooks are coffee-table books rather than tools for the one preparing meals. I don't know about reading such books on a mobile device - pictures would be good. But Vyrso has 83 books in their Cooking category.
Wha would a Christian publisher sell cookbooks? Well, they sell pretty good. I think that a lot of trash and unnecessary stuff helps Christian publishers to produce more substantial products that couldn't stand alone (At least that's the way here in Germany, maybe you are luckier over there). The type of books with essays, background info etc. can carry along at least some of the author's and publisher's world-view and values - sometimes they do, and the non-christian ones do as well.
Then, I see one relevant thing: In my opinion, Christian publishers should by default throw their complete collection of books towards Logos. Make the commentaries and such real Logos books and offer the rest on Vyrso. It shouldn't be a single resource discussion whether this or that resource will be offered at a certain time. No. We should be able to read all of the products as soon as they are available for Kindle or Nook. Therefore I'm glad to see that at least Thomas Nelson seems to be working extremely well with the platform we invested thousands of dollars in, and I wouldn't critique them or Logos for this. May Zondervan, IVP and Crossway follow suit!
Have joy in the Lord!
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Really? A Jack Daniel's book on cooking? Seriously? Come on people we are supposed to be in the world and not of the world. There are few things that are wrong with the community of faith and one of them is to detach ourselves from the so-called 'secular' world. I can't imagine Luther/Luder going in to a bar and not ordering a Jack or two and then hoisting them while trying to voiceout a lyric for the future church. Of course JD wasn't around back in the good ole days.
Now brand me an outsider, but the red wine sauce that I made last weekend with our prime rib was simply - outstanding. That at least was the consensus from the fam. I don't think the sauce would have been as good without the wine and cream cheese, however I say that while sipping on a screw driver. For those neo's - that's not an implement to work with, but a cool beverage to enjoy.
So if you can't swallow the idea of cooking with alcohol then don't buy the book, if you can, buy the book and share the meal. Didn't Paul have something to say about this?
Anyway, we still have left overs and anyone wanting to enjoy some great prime rib with a superb wine sauce is welcome to come over and by the way it's BYOB & that's not bring your own Bible.
Waiting...
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toughski said:
But producing a Jack Daniel's Cookbook? Seriously?
Isn't this a required text for the Southern-style potlucks in the middle of shaped-note sings?
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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toughski said:
Would you buy this book and why?
Yes, thanks for the heads up, just pre ordered it. Why, after looking at the table of contents it looks like some things I would like my wife to cook for the family.
As far as Luther and Calvin go, I think that the following work would be good for Vyrso.
http://www.amazon.com/Drinking-With-Calvin-Luther-History/dp/0970032609
Also I would like to see:
http://www.amazon.com/God-Gave-Wine-Bible-Alcohol/dp/0970032668/ref=pd_sim_sbs_mov_2
And yes, I have sugested these books before: May be of someone important in the Logos community could make the suggestion. [:D]
http://hombrereformado.blogspot.com/ Solo a Dios la Gloria Apoyo
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I have not purchased one Vysro book, but it is very likely that I will purchase this book. I actually just converted a couple of other recipe books to PB so that I could do a quick search on them.toughski said:Would you buy this book and why?
I will purchase this book because it has some very good recipes.
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Hey MJ? This is a required text. Any recipes you want to pass on?
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Here you go Tom - enjoy.
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Thanks, I will try this recipe this weekend. This recipe reminded me of my Chicken Valdostana recipe. FYI... I cannot remember where I got this recipe, but I think I got if from the food network
Ingredients
Directions:
- 2
boneless skinless chicken breasts - 1/2
cup all-purpose flour - 1
tablespoon butter - Salt
and pepper - 2
slices prosciutto ham - 2
slices fontina cheese - 1/2
cup vermouth - 1/2
cup tomato sauce - 3
tablespoons heavy cream
1. Coat chicken breast in flour, then
saute chicken in butter for about 4 minutes on each side2. Add salt and pepper to taste
3. Cover chicken with prosciutto and
cheese4. Pour vermouth over chicken and
reduce until vermouth evaporates5. Add tomato sauce and bring to boil
6. Add heavy cream until the 2 blend
together7. Serve over rice pilaf or your
favorite pasta.0 - 2
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I find this discussion rather amusing. There's nothing strange with Catholics being different to Evangelicals, or Swedes to Americans, but it's a bit funny that American Evangelicals can be so utterly totally different from Swedish Evangelicals in some respects.
Two things that are virtually unthinkable in traditional Swedish Evangelicalism are military service and alcohol. I don't think I've ever known an Evangelical who did his military service (it was rare enough in the Church of Sweden Youth), and I can't imagine I've even heard of one actually joining the military. And as for alcohol, I think virtually all Evangelical congregations would have thrown you out if you were found drinking not that long ago -- unless you were a true alcoholic, in which case they would have sent you to one of their rehabilitation centers. It's become slightly more liberal these days, but it's still strongly frowned upon, and many, perhaps most, would call it a sin, and see it as proof that you're still a 'child of the world' and not a 'child of God'. True Christians don't touch alcohol, end of story.
Now, it doesn't take an IQ of 130 and an academic study to figure out just how differently most American Evangelicals think about the military, but I've been wondering about alcohol. Since I've never heard much (or anything?) about it, I've assumed it wasn't much of an issue -- certainly not like in Sweden -- but I've never known. I guess I now know considerably more.[:)] The idea that a Swedish Evangelical publishing house would produce, or an Evangelical bookstore sell, a Jack Daniel's cookbook... I suspect they'd have to repent pretty quickly to avoid bankruptcy.[:)]
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NB.Mick said:
I personally am not a drinker of Whisky (nothing against wine or a glass of beer) but I appreciate using the flavour if it increases taste - the alcohol will probably evaporate during cooking/baking/roasting/whatever. So for me this is just another fancy cookboook.
I prefer to get my whiskey from Scotland.
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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fgh said:
Now, it doesn't take an IQ of 130 and an academic study to figure out just how differently most American Evangelicals think about the military, but I've been wondering about alcohol. Since I've never heard much (or anything?) about it, I've assumed it wasn't much of an issue -- certainly not like in Sweden -- but I've never known.
There is great diversity over the issue. In the kind of church I grew up, alcohol was taboo. My wife, who comes from a different and more "open" tradition, takes a much stronger stance than I do. (As I said earlier, I don't have problems with others using alcohol in moderation). She had both a friend and cousin die in alcohol related car accidents, which I am sure colored her perspective.
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alabama24 said:
There is great diversity over the issue. In the kind of church I grew up, alcohol was taboo. My wife, who comes from a different and more "open" tradition, takes a much stronger stance than I do. (As I said earlier, I don't have problems with others using alcohol in moderation). She had both a friend and cousin die in alcohol related car accidents, which I am sure colored her perspective.
I remember reading a study in a sociology class I took in college which showed that alcoholism (or problems with alcohol short of alcoholism) is more of a problem among groups which forbid the use of alcohol than among groups which use alcohol responsibly and in liturgical uses.
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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alabama24 said:
George – If I understand you correctly, I agree. Legalism often pushes the next generation towards the behavior it seeks to prevent.
Of course, I could have a faulty memory on this since it's been 2-3 yrs since I took that course. [;)] [:D]
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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fgh said:
I find this discussion rather amusing. There's nothing strange with Catholics being different to Evangelicals, or Swedes to Americans, but it's a bit funny that American Evangelicals can be so utterly totally different from Swedish Evangelicals in some respects
having grown up around the tiny subculture of Evangelical/Conservative German Christianity, and then coming back to the States, I concur.
I like Apples. Especially Honeycrisp.
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Complaining about this book just shows signs of narrow mindedness. If it is something you wouldn't buy, either because of the subject or the alcohol reference, don't buy it. In cooking the alcohol content burns off and you are left with a hint of the flavor.
I am not promoting an abuse of something. But this whole line is ridiculous. If it is against your values then don't buy it. Otherwise just let it go and go on with your life,
By the way I link the sound of the receipes posted here. Think I'll try them out.. Thanks [H]
In Christ,
Ken
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Ken S said:
Complaining about this book just shows signs of narrow mindedness.
Ok, Ken and others, I'll bite. What are the "signs" of my apparent narrow mindedness?
So, is porn ok in moderation as well? Can you support that hypothesis with a Book, chapter and verse?
Oh, oh, I got a good one, maybe someone could post some pictures, like they did with the recipes.
Before the thread gets really off track, answer the question I raised: what is the value of having it in Vyrso format? As someone has mentioned before, this type of books is a coffee table accessory. If I wanted to have it in an electronic format, I would get it in Kindle format (supports way more devices and better for reading).
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fgh ... I sure hope you're not including the 'evangelical left' in your contrasting of Swedish and American evangelicals.
That's why we need tomes like http://www.logos.com/product/26742/politics-according-to-the-bible-a-comprehensive-resource-for-understanding-modern-political-issues-in-light-of-scripture It's a major problem down in Phoenix.
(Until the pastor's special right before the American election, I didn't even know there 'was' an evangelical left! I wonder what cookbooks they use. But I am still wondering how American voters accomodate election results .... since God does the actual selection. (I assume late into election evening).
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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tom said:
For me, it has the same value in Vysro as it does in Kindle. The value of having it in L4, very little. It does have some because it can be searched.toughski said:what is the value of having it in Vyrso format?
I haven't done much with Kindle and Logos though I did check to see that I could get some things. Are Verso books available on Kindle? If so, having it in Logos also makes it available on Kindle.
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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From what I have seen, all Vysro books are also available in the Kindle format. The free Vysro books are also free Kindle books (but you will need to 'purchase' them again via Amazon).George Somsel said:I haven't done much with Kindle and Logos though I did check to see that I could get some things. Are Verso books available on Kindle? If so, having it in Logos also makes it available on Kindle.
Does this answer your question?
For me, having a book in the Vysro format has the same function as if I had the book in the Kindle format. I just need to remember which reader to use to read the book that I want to read.
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