REVELATION TIMELINE
I AM TRYING TO LOCATE A TIMELINE FOR THE BOOK OF REVELATION SHOWING THE CONNECTION BETWEEN THE OPENING OF THE SEALS, THEN THE OPENING OF THE SEVEN TRUMPETS IN CONNECTION TO THE SEVEN BOWLS OF WRATH. I WOULD APPRECIATE ANYONE'S SUGGESTIONS?
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MIGHT I SUGGEST IN ALL HUMILITY AND AS A BROTHER IN CHRIST THAT YOU FIRST FIND THE CAPSLOCK KEY.
all caps is hard on the eyes, and in internet culture is akin to yelling. I'm sure you weren't yelling at us as your first post (intentionally). Any how, welcome!
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I am truly sorry if my all caps caused you any hurt feelings. As a 'sister-CHRIST,' I would never knowingly do anything rude. I am afraid I am not on top of internet protocol for good manners. However, I learn quickly. Thank you so much for your helpfulness. Merry CHRISTMAS!
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Carol ... I suspect we're all 'looking around' for a timeline. Of course there's tons of textual sequences. You're literally wanting a 'timeline'?
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Carol, can you tell us what resources you have in Logs? Do you own one of the base packages?
Pastor, North Park Baptist Church
Bridgeport, CT USA
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Carol said:
I AM TRYING TO LOCATE A TIMELINE FOR THE BOOK OF REVELATION SHOWING THE CONNECTION BETWEEN THE OPENING OF THE SEALS, THEN THE OPENING OF THE SEVEN TRUMPETS IN CONNECTION TO THE SEVEN BOWLS OF WRATH. I WOULD APPRECIATE ANYONE'S SUGGESTIONS?
Hi Carol, this is something that most people would agree upon. For an example, I believe the book talks about only one revelation; the seven trumpets and the seven bowls are the same event/revelation. I say it like you are watching a movie and it shows the same event from several camera positions. For an example, if you happen to watch American Football and a coach tosses a challenge flag, you will see the same play from many different camera angles.
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I have the Bronze Library with extra Commentaries.
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I am looking for a textural outline. Thanks
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Carol said:
I am looking for a textural outline. Thanks
Those usually can be found in a commentary just before the section where commenting begins. Check your Revelation commentaries.
Bible Dictionaries usually have articles on each book of the Bible as well. You have the Baker Encyclopedia of the Bible and it does not seem to have an outline. The HarperCollins Bible Dictionary has a brief one.
Bible Introductions and Surveys are another possibility. You have New Testament Survey by Gromacki. It has an outline for the book under the book's heading. Other surveys and introductions may also have one.
Pastor, North Park Baptist Church
Bridgeport, CT USA
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Thank you for your sincere help. However, I looked in my real Study Bibles and found exactly what I needed for my class tonight. It only took me five minutes. Have a Merry CHRISTMAS
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Ken Baker said:
all caps is hard on the eyes, and in internet culture is akin to yelling.
Ken,
May I broaden your horizons a bit? I know a number of people with vision problems for whom all caps is about the only thing they can see. So, 'hard on the eyes' is subjective at best. I'd even go so far as to say it is completely untrue. While I know many who have trouble seeing small letters, I've yet to see a single person who has been harmed, visually or otherwise, by all-caps.
As for 'akin to yelling', that is something someone made up for no other reason than to nitpick. I could just as easily say that non-caps is akin to whispering. You'd (rightfully) find that silly. So I hope you can see the silliness of calling all-caps 'yelling'. It isn't yelling. It is simply the use of all capital letters, which is a standard, accepted practice in the English language.
I hope you take this with the same humility you posted earlier, and understand that correction of others' use of the caps lock key may be more offensive to them than the caps are to you.
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Eating a steady diet of government cheese, and living in a van down by the river.
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Hi Carol,
No worries about the CAPS... I don't know why people make such a big deal out of that. You may want to consider:
http://www.revelationcommentary.org/
Have a great day.
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Thank you so much, I have to confess to being tremendously surprised by his outburst. I am so grateful that I am not a new or very young Christian. I am amazed that with the problems Christians are facing from a hostile world, that, large or small caps, actually matter? GOD IS GOOD! I have found what I was looking for in a real Study Bible. Thank you, Have A Merry CHRISTMAS!
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Doc B said:
I'd even go so far as to say it is completely untrue. While I know many who have trouble seeing small letters, I've yet to see a single person who has been harmed, visually or otherwise, by all-caps.
I for one find it extremely hard, slow, and tedious to read, to the point that I generally don't bother doing so. There is a reason people stopped writing in all caps many many centuries ago, and invented lower-case letters instead.
Doc B said:As for 'akin to yelling', that is something someone made up for no other reason than to nitpick.
That simply isn't true. All caps have long been used to make something stand out, whether it be one particular word in an otherwise lower-case sentence, or things like headlines, advertisements, book covers... Therefore making a whole text stand out becomes the written equivalent to yelling.
Mac Pro (late 2013) OS 12.6.2
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There are still some people in our country that do not believe there is a culturally inappropriate use for the middle finger. their denial does not change fact.
Words, and actions are simply vessels that culture fills with meaning. All caps, means yelling.
For other information RE nettiquette (how not to be rude on the internet) consider the following: http://www.networketiquette.net/L2 lvl4 (...) WORDsearch, all the way through L10,
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fgh said:Doc B said:
I'd even go so far as to say it is completely untrue. While I know many who have trouble seeing small letters, I've yet to see a single person who has been harmed, visually or otherwise, by all-caps.
I for one find it extremely hard, slow, and tedious to read, to the point that I generally don't bother doing so. There is a reason people stopped writing in all caps many many centuries ago, and invented lower-case letters instead.
Doc B said:As for 'akin to yelling', that is something someone made up for no other reason than to nitpick.
That simply isn't true. All caps have long been used to make something stand out, whether it be one particular word in an otherwise lower-case sentence, or things like headlines, advertisements, book covers... Therefore making a whole text stand out becomes the written equivalent to yelling.
THANK YOU! (see there? appropriate use of all caps - expressing exuberance)
I was feeling ganged up on.L2 lvl4 (...) WORDsearch, all the way through L10,
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Carol, first things first: Welcome to the Forum.
Carol said:I have to confess to being tremendously surprised by his outburst
I would hardly call it an "OUTBURST", a gentel correction and illustration is closer to the point.
Carol said:I am so grateful that I am not a new or very young Christian.
You may not be a young Christian, but you are a young LOGOS forum user (Close to your first post on this site).
The poster just wanted you to get off to a better start before some one else jumped on your case. I saw it as an act of kindness and that was the way you responed in your first couple of posts.
Carol said:I am amazed that with the problems Christians are facing from a hostile world, that, large or small caps, actually matter?
BIG THINGS and little things matter to God, God is not offended by use of all caps but some people are.
He is ALWAYS Good.Carol said:GOD IS GOOD!
Carol said:I have found what I was looking for in a real Study Bible.
Was it one of the Study Bibles offered by Logos? http://www.logos.com/products/search?q=study+bible&start=0&sort=rel&pageSize=30
Feliz Navidad, Tom
http://hombrereformado.blogspot.com/ Solo a Dios la Gloria Apoyo
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Carol said:
I am amazed that with the problems Christians are facing from a hostile world, that, large or small caps, actually matter?
So am I, Carol. But some people seem to care more about being offended than being offensive.
Sorry you got such a rude introduction to the forums. Keep asking questions as needed, and most of us will be happy to help you as much as we can. For some of us (like me), that help may be limited, as I'm no rock-star forum member. But there are people on these forums who probably know more about Logos than the programmers.
Glad you got your answer.
Eating a steady diet of government cheese, and living in a van down by the river.
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Ken Baker said:
All caps, means yelling.
Nope. YOU SAY it means yelling, but I SAY it doesn't, and I'm just as important as you are, and have just as much say in reality.
Now, might you consider that you offended a brand new member of the forums rather than persist in enforcing your concept of the audibility of type?
I'm trying to be nice here. But I'm not seeing much of that humility you claimed to possess. If you really had it, your first response to her question would not have been to correct her. She wasn't using her middle finger. She was asking a question with a typeface you don't like. That's all.
Eating a steady diet of government cheese, and living in a van down by the river.
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In a post modern world you'd be right. My opinion is as good as yours. However, I believe there are absolutes.
I am not now, nor have I been offended. I understand you are from a different cultural perspective. I've let you know how your actions will be interpreted and if you choose to ignore them I've done what I felt was right.
If you want to turn that into something more than that, then so be it. I'm finished with this conversation.
I highly recommend this source as being both objective and authoritative when it comes to net culture:
http://www.networketiquette.net/L2 lvl4 (...) WORDsearch, all the way through L10,
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Tom Rach said:
Carol, first things first: Welcome to the Forum.
Carol said:I have to confess to being tremendously surprised by his outburst
I would hardly call it an "OUTBURST", a gentel correction and illustration is closer to the point.
Carol said:I am so grateful that I am not a new or very young Christian.
You may not be a young Christian, but you are a young LOGOS forum user (Close to your first post on this site).
The poster just wanted you to get off to a better start before some
one else jumped on your case. I saw it as an act of kindness and that
was the way you responed in your first couple of posts.That was how it was intended as well.
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I have several Study Bibles that I have purchased in town at Lifeway. I have a Scofield Reference Study Bible, a John MacArthur Study Bible, A Key Word Study Bible, a NKJV Study Bible, a John Hagee Prophecy Study Bible, and I located the outline in the John Hagee Prophecy Study Bible. This will be my last posting, I appreciate the people who truly have acted like CHRIST, and I am truly sorry if I have offended anyone. I do find it incredible, that all I asked for from a community of 'Christians,' was some advice and received such a negative response. My idea of Christianity is to be as courteous on the web, as you are in person. I teach a Bible Study and my group tonight were as shocked as I was earlier today. This is why I have never opened myself up to forums on the web, and I usually do not make the same mistake twice. JESUS said, "Do not cast your pearls before swine, lest they turn and rend you." I expect maltreatment from the world, but not from a forum geared for 'Christians.'
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Carol, you probably won't see this, but I am very sorry your first experience here turned out as it did. There are many, many cordial, caring, and Christian conversations that occur here. I regret that no matter how some feel about what they said or did, the net result was that you may never get to see the better side of the Forum. That grieves me.
Pastor, North Park Baptist Church
Bridgeport, CT USA
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Carol, I too am sad about your first experience on the Logos forums. They are generally a really wonderful place to get help on your questions, and even often go beyond that to true friendship in the body of Christ. But now you've been denied that sense of community.
For the others who participated in this thread who might still be reading:
It makes me weep that we as the body of Christ do not know how to love each other through the medium of technology. It probably carries over from not knowing how to love each other very well in person either, but technology brings its own unique challenges.
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Carol said:
I have several Study Bibles that I have purchased in town at Lifeway. I have a Scofield Reference Study Bible, a John MacArthur Study Bible, A Key Word Study Bible, a NKJV Study Bible, a John Hagee Prophecy Study Bible, and I located the outline in the John Hagee Prophecy Study Bible. This will be my last posting, I appreciate the people who truly have acted like CHRIST, and I am truly sorry if I have offended anyone. I do find it incredible, that all I asked for from a community of 'Christians,' was some advice and received such a negative response. My idea of Christianity is to be as courteous on the web, as you are in person. I teach a Bible Study and my group tonight were as shocked as I was earlier today. This is why I have never opened myself up to forums on the web, and I usually do not make the same mistake twice. JESUS said, "Do not cast your pearls before swine, lest they turn and rend you." I expect maltreatment from the world, but not from a forum geared for 'Christians.'
Peace to you Carol! I'm really sorry Ken was very rude in his first response to your original post, even using large type (caps!!!!) himself to make a point.
Thusly, he wrote .... Ken Baker | Forum Activity | Replied: Today 10:22 AM MIGHT I SUGGEST IN ALL HUMILITY AND AS A BROTHER IN CHRIST THAT YOU FIRST FIND THE CAPSLOCK KEY.
As of today (I just copied this from the forum main page a few moments ago!)
Forum Activity: 97,088 users have contributed to 56,167 threads and 434,715 posts.
So there are bound to be a few "rough edges," and there are various degrees of Christian Sanctification showing forth here. However, I hope all of us would be working hard and growing in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
So, please, Carol! Please recognise that you did not and could not "get maltreatment from a forum geared for `Christians,`" (your words!) C'mon! A forum cannot maltreat anyone! But individuals can! Frankly, Tom was Rude and I think out of line! Frankly, Carol, I think your remarks are rude also.
I would like, please, to remind all posters from the Book of Colossians -- Colossians 4:2-6 -- I believe that the Holy Bible contains God's Words - This is God speaking to us! Me, also! I also live in the forgiveness of sins for which Christ died and rose again! *smile*
Walk in wisdom toward outsiders, making the best use of the time. 6 Let your speech always be gracious, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how you ought to answer each person.
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Walk in wisdom toward outsiders, making the best use of the time. 6 Let your speech always be gracious, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how you ought to answer each person.
Continue steadfastly in prayer, being watchful in it with thanksgiving. 3 At the same time, pray also for us, that God may open to us a door for the word, to declare the mystery of Christ, on account of which I am in prison— 4 that I may make it clear, which is how I ought to speak.
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Walk in wisdom toward outsiders, making the best use of the time. 6 Let your speech always be gracious, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how you ought to answer each person.
edit: I'm sorry and I apologise that my Forum skills are not adequate enough and that this post is unduly "messy"! I am sorry indeed; however, "It is what it is!" *smile*Philippians 4: 4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........
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I think you meant Ken, not tom - I was the one who replied with all caps in the first sentence. It was simply to demonstrate my point and if that was rude, then I apologize. Sometimes some people need a visual... Any way. I suppose whats done is done. I'm glad that others interpreted my post in the spirit with which it was intended, even if everyone did not.
Back on point, toms post was about revelation being from different camera angles, then another tom posted, but I didn't find his post offensive either, so mine must be the one in question.
KenI wonder if I am the only one that finds Irony in all of this? My post that demonstrated the perils of all caps was offensive, because it used all caps.
I think perhaps I spend too much time on these forums - free time for me is rare, and thus valuable. Perhaps we all need to consider adding some salt to our words. I now find my self slightly offended (just being honest here... not fishing for an apology. frankly I won't be back to this thread).
Again - sorry Carol, that doing what you did, offended you and others.L2 lvl4 (...) WORDsearch, all the way through L10,
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Carol said:
I WOULD APPRECIATE ANYONE'S SUGGESTIONS?
Welcome [:D]
Some Logos search ideas:
Basic Search of Heading Text, Large Text, Title in Entire Library (or a Bible Background collection) for:
revelation (outline,timeline)
Search a collection of commentaries about Revelation for:
outline, timeline
Note: searching Entire Library includes a Topic section.
Keep Smiling [:)]
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Tom Rach said:
Carol, first things first: Welcome to the Forum.
Carol said:I have to confess to being tremendously surprised by his outburst
I would hardly call it an "OUTBURST", a gentel correction and illustration is closer to the point.
Carol said:I am so grateful that I am not a new or very young Christian.
You may not be a young Christian, but you are a young LOGOS forum user (Close to your first post on this site).
The poster just wanted you to get off to a better start before some one else jumped on your case. I saw it as an act of kindness and that was the way you responed in your first couple of posts.
Carol said:I am amazed that with the problems Christians are facing from a hostile world, that, large or small caps, actually matter?
BIG THINGS and little things matter to God, God is not offended by use of all caps but some people are.
He is ALWAYS Good.Carol said:GOD IS GOOD!
Carol said:I have found what I was looking for in a real Study Bible.
Was it one of the Study Bibles offered by Logos? http://www.logos.com/products/search?q=study+bible&start=0&sort=rel&pageSize=30
Feliz Navidad, Tom
Brother Tom! Peace to you, and I thank God for you!
I also thank you for your gracious post on these Logos Forums! Much appreciated indeed!
It's been a long and hard and heavy day for so many of us in so many respects ... we get tired ... we get grumpy ... out of sorts ...
Along with Tiny Tim and Dickens the author, I say in these days before we celebrate the birth of our Saviour ... "God Bless Us All -- Everyone!" *smile*
And may He be born again in my heart!
Philippians 4: 4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........
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Keep Smiling ... what an interesting screen-copy! Zooming and squinting, there' a BUNCH of information!
I notice in the lower left the ESV Study Bible seems to have an REV time line; that would have been interesting in the ESV-SB discussion earlier today.
I saved out your copy to study it some MORE!
Thank you.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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DMB said:
I notice in the lower left the ESV Study Bible seems to have an REV time line; that would have been interesting in the ESV-SB discussion earlier today.
Keep Smiling [:)]
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Welcome aboard, Carol! While I mostly lurk, I've learned so much about using my Logos software here and the Logos Wiki. You'll not find a more learned, helpful group of folks who are quick to share their knowledge than here! Just ask and you'll see what I mean overall - you'll get helpful replies expediently.
I hope you continue on as a part of the Logos community and may you, too, have a Merry Christmas!
Debie
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Former Forum User said:
I wonder if I am the only one that finds Irony in all of this? My post that demonstrated the perils of all caps was offensive, because it used all caps.
I think perhaps I spend too much time on these forums - free time for me is rare, and thus valuable. Perhaps we all need to consider adding some salt to our words. I now find my self slightly offended (just being honest here... not fishing for an apology. frankly I won't be back to this thread).
Ken, I'm sorry to see that you've left over this, not just this thread but also apparently the forums as well. We all unintentionally offend others online from time to time. We all need to learn better ways of bouncing back from that when we accidentally do it or when it's done to us. And continually learn how to avoid being offended or giving offense online in the future. We don't have the same cues as we do in person, so it's much easier to accidentally tick someone off. But that means we all need to give each other that much more slack online than we do in person. Those who jumped on you for apparently jumping on Carol should have given you more slack. And on it goes.
Well, I hope this has all been a learning experience for all of us. And I do hope that after a cooling off period both Carol and Ken come back. But there's nothing wrong with taking a break from the forums when we feel we've been spending too much time on them and are getting too sensitive or offending people unintentionally too often. I've done so many times myself, and have vastly decreased my involvement here over what it once was. And time is indeed precious, so we must use it wisely. I pray that you do find that you're doing so. Blessings.
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Thank you KSFJ! It's interesting that I have ESV-SB on another platform, but it looks far better in Logos! (Of course).
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Rosie Perera said:Former Forum User said:
I wonder if I am the only one that finds Irony in all of this? My post that demonstrated the perils of all caps was offensive, because it used all caps.
I think perhaps I spend too much time on these forums - free time for me is rare, and thus valuable. Perhaps we all need to consider adding some salt to our words. I now find my self slightly offended (just being honest here... not fishing for an apology. frankly I won't be back to this thread).
Ken, I'm sorry to see that you've left over this, not just this thread but also apparently the forums as well. We all unintentionally offend others online from time to time. We all need to learn better ways of bouncing back from that when we accidentally do it or when it's done to us. And continually learn how to avoid being offended or giving offense online in the future. We don't have the same cues as we do in person, so it's much easier to accidentally tick someone off. But that means we all need to give each other that much more slack online than we do in person. Those who jumped on you for apparently jumping on Carol should have given you more slack. And on it goes.
Well, I hope this has all been a learning experience for all of us. And I do hope that after a cooling off period both Carol and Ken come back. But there's nothing wrong with taking a break from the forums when we feel we've been spending too much time on them and are getting too sensitive or offending people unintentionally too often. I've done so many times myself, and have vastly decreased my involvement here over what it once was. And time is indeed precious, so we must use it wisely. I pray that you do find that you're doing so. Blessings.
Well-spoken, Rosie! It's not just you speaking here, Rosie.............. it's Jesus within you! and the Holy Spirit! Thank you for your words!
Ken, also I'm sorry that you've left over this .... I truly hope you change your mind and feel good again about the Logos Forums. I sincerely regret and apologise if any of my words which were meant to be helpful to all have hurt you or offended you in any way. Please consider forgiving me! *smile* Always Peace and Joy in the Lord!
Philippians 4: 4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........
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Hi Carol,The following timeline below is kind of different and new compare to the popular and prevailing ones. So you need to pray first and ask for the guidance of the Holy Spirit. I have to admit I have been a prophecy student for only just six years, and I hope this will not be a reason for you to ignore this or as you read this you will have a preconceived idea already of what view you hold on to and somehow be critical about this.First of, here is my understanding of the Tribulation period:Jer. 30:3-7 does not say that the time of Jacob's trouble is 7 years.
The first 3.5 years was already fulfilled by Jesus Christ as described in Daniel 9:27. Through the death of Jesus, the sacrifice and offering was abolished. On the east wing of the temple, the abomination and desolation referred to here is the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. Daniel 11:31,32 is where the Antichrist will appear at the Temple to desecrate it by his armies, and to set up the abomination and desolation, and this is the one that Jesus warned us of on Matthew 24:15. Jesus confirms His Holy Covenant for 1 seven, the remaining half will be in the future. In the case of the Antichrist, he will forsake and vent his fury on the Holy Covenant for 3.5 years, Daniel 11:30, his version of Daniel 9:27. Remember that Satan will counterfeit all that is prophesied in the end times to make the antichrist appear as the messiah. The 7 years of tribulation view is being promoted by Satan maybe because there will be a 3.5 years fake tribulation and a dummy antichrist.In order that I will not somehow offend or create an uproar on this, in case, here is a biblical principle to guide us:Matthew 16:15-17
15 He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” 16 Simon Peter replied, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” 17 And Jesus answered him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven.
Six verses after...
Matthew 16:23
Jesus turned and said to Peter, "Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns."
The same mouth that glorified Jesus Christ is the same mouth that insulted Jesus Christ. Most of the time we put ourselves in Peter's shoes.
So you see, not all truths or revelation are given all to just one prophecy student. We are all vessels and channels of God's truth and revelation depending on the nature of our heart's desires. Let us help one another to put the puzzle pieces together as one Body of Christ.
If we are searching for truth to proved that we are right, there is a certain kind of spirit that guides our understanding of scriptures. But if we are searching for the truth to gain knowledge, wisdom, and freedom, for us and for others too, then that is another kind of spirit.
Now here is my take on the Half Hour Silence in Heaven which will make an entirely different view on the timeline of Revelation:
1. 1 John 2:18, Dear children, this is the LAST HOUR; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, EVEN NOW many antichrists have come. THIS IS HOW we know it is the LAST HOUR.
2. Revelation 8:1,When he opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven for about HALF AN HOUR.
We know that the writer of 1John and Revelation is John the Apostle. It is obvious that John holds the same understanding of what hour was to him both for the above scriptures that he revealed. So is it safe to assume that the LAST HOUR that he is telling us is 2,000 years in duration assuming that the antichrist will appear in our time? Does HALF AN Hour could mean then as 1,000 years? If so, then it could probably mean that the HALF AN HOUR silence in Heaven is the Millennium. What do you think?
So with this key point, definitely the timeline will be entirely different from the popular and prevailing ones. Please bear with me as I present to you my timeline:
Seals 1 to 4 begun at Ascencion/Pentecost and continuous on up to the end of Seal 6, which is the great tribulation (As Jesus described that wars, death from wild animals, economic woes, famines, pestilence, earthquakes will continue on before the end). the Bowl Judgement and Armageddon happening within it. Rev. 6:1-8,13-17
Seal 5 begun from death of Stephen up to the last Saint to be martyred in the Great Tribulation. Rev. 6:9-12
Seal 7 as i explained above, begins at the start of the millennium Rev. 8. The silence in Heaven is the millennium, a thousand year of peace. At the end of the millennium, Satan will be released from the Abyss (Rev. 20:7) to deceive the nations again.
Trumpets 1 to 4 happens at the end of the millennium, it is the destruction of a third of trees, grass, sea, waters, and a third of the celestial objects are struck.
Trumpet 5 is when Satan was released from the Abyss and Locust-Like Creatures torturing those who does not have the seal of God on their foreheads (entirely different from those with the mark of the beast on their foreheads which were described in the bowl judgement happening at the end of the great tribulation, while those who are sealed by God were present at the Great Tribulation and lived on through the Millennium).
Trumpet 6 is Gog and Magog to kill a third of mankind, led by Satan. Ezekiel 38.
The Angel and the Little Scroll Rev. 10, which is entirely different from the Scroll and the Lamb of Rev. 5, is about PROPHESYING AGAIN by the Two Witness at the end of the millennium. Probably Moses and Elijah could be them, their Spirit indwelt on the two prophet that will be anointed on that time. ( Like John the Baptist having the Spirit of Elijah)
SOULS under the ALTAR, because they are still on earth/grave Rev. 6:9 (Heaven is my throne and the Earth is my footstool), is different from the SAINTS on the GOLDEN ALTAR before the Throne, because they are already in the Millennium Rev. 8:3,4
The Saints will be the Royal Priesthood during the Millennium Rev. 20:6, Jesus Christ as their King. They were not judged yet but they were given authority to judge Rev. 20:4. The Saints will only then become kings over the nations after they received their crowns at the Great White Throne Judgement Rev. 21:24.
The Two Witness, I believe are the ones who will cause all the plagues of the Trumpets Judgement at the end of the Millennium. (Like during the time of Moses, and again this time the Remnant Israel will witness it again) Rev 11:4-6
Trumpet 7 is the Great White Throne Judgement, Rev.11:15-19, Rev. 20:11-14 , the second resurrection, where the dead will be judged(sheep and goat, based on Works written in the books that were opened and on the names that were written in the Book of Life), and the saints and prophets judged for their rewards (crowns will be given to them). Judgement Seat of Christ (termed by Paul) and The Great White Throne (termed by John) is the same. Throne and Seat is the same in meaning. (John and Paul, during their time, were not given the opportunity to collaborate on this, given their situations)
What makes Seven Bowls different from the Seven Trumpet that made it appear happening in two different timelines? Here are my keypoints.
Bowls happens at the Great Tribulation / Trumpets happens at the end of the Millennium
Bowls : Mark of the Beast
Trumpets: Those who does not have the Seal of God (No mention of mark of the beast)
Bowls : Beast and False Prophet
that come out from the Sea/Earth
Dragon hurled DOWN from Heaven
Rev. 12 & 13
Trumpets: Angel(Satan) of the Abyss / Beast (Satan) that come UP
from the Abyss (Rev. 20) Apollyon, Abaddon
Bowls : No mention of Abyss
Trumpets: Abyss mentioned Thrice.
Bowls : Gog and Magog in Armageddon Ez. 39
Seven Years of Burning Weapons and
Seven Months of Burying carried over
through the Millennium,God’s Holy Name made known to Israel
Corpse given to the Birds
Trumpets: Gog and Magog Ez.38, Unwalled City,
People living in Safety, Recovered from War,God’s Holy Name made known to the NationsNo Mention of Corpse given to Birds
Bowls : Before Armageddon, Dead in Christ/Saints came to life Rev. 16:15,the rest of the dead did not come to life Rev. 20:5
so they were not judged yet.
This is the First Resurrection
Trumpets: White Throne Judgement, Rev. 20:11
Time to judge the Dead and Reward the Saints and the Prophets, Rev. 11:18
This is the Second Resurrection
Bowls : Tremendous earthquake, cursed God Rev.16:17-20Trumpets: Severe Earthquake, gave Glory to God Rev. 11:13
I placed the Resurrection of the Dead in Christ and the Rapture of the Alive in Christ in between the Sixth Bowl and the Seventh Bowl. Here are the Key Verses:Rev. 21:9 is about The New Jerusalem, the Bride, the Wife (Married already) of the Lamb (this is after the end of the Millennium, and start of the New Heaven and New Earth)
9 One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.”
(I hope you don't have another bride in mind, like what pretribbers did to Matthew 24:29,30, making it the second rapture/resurrection, which they say is still an integral part of the first resurrection of Rev. 20. Jesus will get His Bride one time only, not several times)
Question:
Why does it have to be ONE OF THE SEVEN ANGELS WHO HAD THE SEVEN BOWLS, be the one appointed by Jesus to show to John theBride? Why not one of the seven angels who had the trumpets?Answer:
Checkout Rev. 16:12-15
12 THE SIXTH ANGEL POUR OUT HIS BOWL on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up to prepare the way for the kings from the East. 13 Then I saw three impure spirits that looked like frogs; they came out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 They are demonic spirits that perform signs, and they go out to the kings of the whole world, to gather them for the battle on the great day of God Almighty.
15 “Look, I come like a thief! Blessed is the one who stays awake (WISE VIRGINS? AND/OR THE WEDDING GUESTS?) and remains clothed (OIL/HOLY SPIRIT), so as not to go naked and be shamefully exposed.” Matthew 22
Please study who is the Bride. Make a comparison on the description of the 144,000 as the Bride and as Virgins in its natural and spiritual sense, then the description of the New Jerusalem in its sense of 12's. Study also who are the Wedding Guests and who are the Nations that will be ruled by the kings (Saints?) in the New Heaven and New Earth.
The Book of Revelation is the story of God's plan of salvation, grace, and justice to humanity in the end times and through eternity. This is where we can truly see the big picture. Match it with Jesus Christ's Olivet Discourse in Matthew 24. Then the 10 Virgins (144,000/Tribulation Saints?), the Talents of the Servants (Wedding Guests/Dead in Christ?), The Sheep and the Goats (Risen Dead judged and saved in the White Throne Judgement/The Nations in New Heaven and New Earth?) in Matthew 25.I hope this one makes sense to you, though this one is a new and radical view of eschatology, and I have not encountered of anything like this through my searches in so many prophecy websites I visited. I would appreciate your comment and more importantly, your loving correction of this view.
Your Brother In Christ,
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Another suggestion for finding this kind of information is the Biblical Event Navigator. In the screenshot below, the nodes (the coloured bars on the left of titles) are expandable for greater detail. I have only expanded a few in order to keep it all on one screen, but there is more detail available than what you can see here:
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