REVELATION TIMELINE
I AM TRYING TO LOCATE A TIMELINE FOR THE BOOK OF REVELATION SHOWING THE CONNECTION BETWEEN THE OPENING OF THE SEALS, THEN THE OPENING OF THE SEVEN TRUMPETS IN CONNECTION TO THE SEVEN BOWLS OF WRATH. I WOULD APPRECIATE ANYONE'S SUGGESTIONS?
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MIGHT I SUGGEST IN ALL HUMILITY AND AS A BROTHER IN CHRIST THAT YOU FIRST FIND THE CAPSLOCK KEY.
all caps is hard on the eyes, and in internet culture is akin to yelling. I'm sure you weren't yelling at us as your first post (intentionally). Any how, welcome!
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I am truly sorry if my all caps caused you any hurt feelings. As a 'sister-CHRIST,' I would never knowingly do anything rude. I am afraid I am not on top of internet protocol for good manners. However, I learn quickly. Thank you so much for your helpfulness. Merry CHRISTMAS!
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Carol ... I suspect we're all 'looking around' for a timeline. Of course there's tons of textual sequences. You're literally wanting a 'timeline'?
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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Carol, can you tell us what resources you have in Logs? Do you own one of the base packages?
Pastor, North Park Baptist Church
Bridgeport, CT USA
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I AM TRYING TO LOCATE A TIMELINE FOR THE BOOK OF REVELATION SHOWING THE CONNECTION BETWEEN THE OPENING OF THE SEALS, THEN THE OPENING OF THE SEVEN TRUMPETS IN CONNECTION TO THE SEVEN BOWLS OF WRATH. I WOULD APPRECIATE ANYONE'S SUGGESTIONS?
Hi Carol, this is something that most people would agree upon. For an example, I believe the book talks about only one revelation; the seven trumpets and the seven bowls are the same event/revelation. I say it like you are watching a movie and it shows the same event from several camera positions. For an example, if you happen to watch American Football and a coach tosses a challenge flag, you will see the same play from many different camera angles.
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I have the Bronze Library with extra Commentaries.
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I am looking for a textural outline. Thanks
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I am looking for a textural outline. Thanks
Those usually can be found in a commentary just before the section where commenting begins. Check your Revelation commentaries.
Bible Dictionaries usually have articles on each book of the Bible as well. You have the Baker Encyclopedia of the Bible and it does not seem to have an outline. The HarperCollins Bible Dictionary has a brief one.
Bible Introductions and Surveys are another possibility. You have New Testament Survey by Gromacki. It has an outline for the book under the book's heading. Other surveys and introductions may also have one.
Pastor, North Park Baptist Church
Bridgeport, CT USA
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Thank you for your sincere help. However, I looked in my real Study Bibles and found exactly what I needed for my class tonight. It only took me five minutes. Have a Merry CHRISTMAS
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all caps is hard on the eyes, and in internet culture is akin to yelling.
Ken,
May I broaden your horizons a bit? I know a number of people with vision problems for whom all caps is about the only thing they can see. So, 'hard on the eyes' is subjective at best. I'd even go so far as to say it is completely untrue. While I know many who have trouble seeing small letters, I've yet to see a single person who has been harmed, visually or otherwise, by all-caps.
As for 'akin to yelling', that is something someone made up for no other reason than to nitpick. I could just as easily say that non-caps is akin to whispering. You'd (rightfully) find that silly. So I hope you can see the silliness of calling all-caps 'yelling'. It isn't yelling. It is simply the use of all capital letters, which is a standard, accepted practice in the English language.
I hope you take this with the same humility you posted earlier, and understand that correction of others' use of the caps lock key may be more offensive to them than the caps are to you.
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Eating a steady diet of government cheese, and living in a van down by the river.
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Hi Carol,
No worries about the CAPS... I don't know why people make such a big deal out of that. You may want to consider:
http://www.revelationcommentary.org/
Have a great day.
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Thank you so much, I have to confess to being tremendously surprised by his outburst. I am so grateful that I am not a new or very young Christian. I am amazed that with the problems Christians are facing from a hostile world, that, large or small caps, actually matter? GOD IS GOOD! I have found what I was looking for in a real Study Bible. Thank you, Have A Merry CHRISTMAS!
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I'd even go so far as to say it is completely untrue. While I know many who have trouble seeing small letters, I've yet to see a single person who has been harmed, visually or otherwise, by all-caps.
I for one find it extremely hard, slow, and tedious to read, to the point that I generally don't bother doing so. There is a reason people stopped writing in all caps many many centuries ago, and invented lower-case letters instead.
As for 'akin to yelling', that is something someone made up for no other reason than to nitpick.
That simply isn't true. All caps have long been used to make something stand out, whether it be one particular word in an otherwise lower-case sentence, or things like headlines, advertisements, book covers... Therefore making a whole text stand out becomes the written equivalent to yelling.
Mac Pro (late 2013) OS 12.6.2
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There are still some people in our country that do not believe there is a culturally inappropriate use for the middle finger. their denial does not change fact.
Words, and actions are simply vessels that culture fills with meaning. All caps, means yelling.
For other information RE nettiquette (how not to be rude on the internet) consider the following: http://www.networketiquette.net/L2 lvl4 (...) WORDsearch, all the way through L10,
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I'd even go so far as to say it is completely untrue. While I know many who have trouble seeing small letters, I've yet to see a single person who has been harmed, visually or otherwise, by all-caps.
I for one find it extremely hard, slow, and tedious to read, to the point that I generally don't bother doing so. There is a reason people stopped writing in all caps many many centuries ago, and invented lower-case letters instead.
As for 'akin to yelling', that is something someone made up for no other reason than to nitpick.
That simply isn't true. All caps have long been used to make something stand out, whether it be one particular word in an otherwise lower-case sentence, or things like headlines, advertisements, book covers... Therefore making a whole text stand out becomes the written equivalent to yelling.
THANK YOU! (see there? appropriate use of all caps - expressing exuberance)
I was feeling ganged up on.L2 lvl4 (...) WORDsearch, all the way through L10,
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Carol, first things first: Welcome to the Forum.
I have to confess to being tremendously surprised by his outburst
I would hardly call it an "OUTBURST", a gentel correction and illustration is closer to the point.
I am so grateful that I am not a new or very young Christian.
You may not be a young Christian, but you are a young LOGOS forum user (Close to your first post on this site).
The poster just wanted you to get off to a better start before some one else jumped on your case. I saw it as an act of kindness and that was the way you responed in your first couple of posts.
I am amazed that with the problems Christians are facing from a hostile world, that, large or small caps, actually matter?
BIG THINGS and little things matter to God, God is not offended by use of all caps but some people are.
GOD IS GOOD!
He is ALWAYS Good.I have found what I was looking for in a real Study Bible.
Was it one of the Study Bibles offered by Logos? http://www.logos.com/products/search?q=study+bible&start=0&sort=rel&pageSize=30
Feliz Navidad, Tom
http://hombrereformado.blogspot.com/ Solo a Dios la Gloria Apoyo
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I am amazed that with the problems Christians are facing from a hostile world, that, large or small caps, actually matter?
So am I, Carol. But some people seem to care more about being offended than being offensive.
Sorry you got such a rude introduction to the forums. Keep asking questions as needed, and most of us will be happy to help you as much as we can. For some of us (like me), that help may be limited, as I'm no rock-star forum member. But there are people on these forums who probably know more about Logos than the programmers.
Glad you got your answer.
Eating a steady diet of government cheese, and living in a van down by the river.
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All caps, means yelling.
Nope. YOU SAY it means yelling, but I SAY it doesn't, and I'm just as important as you are, and have just as much say in reality.
Now, might you consider that you offended a brand new member of the forums rather than persist in enforcing your concept of the audibility of type?
I'm trying to be nice here. But I'm not seeing much of that humility you claimed to possess. If you really had it, your first response to her question would not have been to correct her. She wasn't using her middle finger. She was asking a question with a typeface you don't like. That's all.
Eating a steady diet of government cheese, and living in a van down by the river.
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In a post modern world you'd be right. My opinion is as good as yours. However, I believe there are absolutes.
I am not now, nor have I been offended. I understand you are from a different cultural perspective. I've let you know how your actions will be interpreted and if you choose to ignore them I've done what I felt was right.
If you want to turn that into something more than that, then so be it. I'm finished with this conversation.
I highly recommend this source as being both objective and authoritative when it comes to net culture:
http://www.networketiquette.net/L2 lvl4 (...) WORDsearch, all the way through L10,
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Carol, first things first: Welcome to the Forum.
I have to confess to being tremendously surprised by his outburst
I would hardly call it an "OUTBURST", a gentel correction and illustration is closer to the point.
I am so grateful that I am not a new or very young Christian.
You may not be a young Christian, but you are a young LOGOS forum user (Close to your first post on this site).
The poster just wanted you to get off to a better start before some
one else jumped on your case. I saw it as an act of kindness and that
was the way you responed in your first couple of posts.That was how it was intended as well.
L2 lvl4 (...) WORDsearch, all the way through L10,
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I have several Study Bibles that I have purchased in town at Lifeway. I have a Scofield Reference Study Bible, a John MacArthur Study Bible, A Key Word Study Bible, a NKJV Study Bible, a John Hagee Prophecy Study Bible, and I located the outline in the John Hagee Prophecy Study Bible. This will be my last posting, I appreciate the people who truly have acted like CHRIST, and I am truly sorry if I have offended anyone. I do find it incredible, that all I asked for from a community of 'Christians,' was some advice and received such a negative response. My idea of Christianity is to be as courteous on the web, as you are in person. I teach a Bible Study and my group tonight were as shocked as I was earlier today. This is why I have never opened myself up to forums on the web, and I usually do not make the same mistake twice. JESUS said, "Do not cast your pearls before swine, lest they turn and rend you." I expect maltreatment from the world, but not from a forum geared for 'Christians.'
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Carol, you probably won't see this, but I am very sorry your first experience here turned out as it did. There are many, many cordial, caring, and Christian conversations that occur here. I regret that no matter how some feel about what they said or did, the net result was that you may never get to see the better side of the Forum. That grieves me.
Pastor, North Park Baptist Church
Bridgeport, CT USA
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Carol, I too am sad about your first experience on the Logos forums. They are generally a really wonderful place to get help on your questions, and even often go beyond that to true friendship in the body of Christ. But now you've been denied that sense of community.
For the others who participated in this thread who might still be reading:
It makes me weep that we as the body of Christ do not know how to love each other through the medium of technology. It probably carries over from not knowing how to love each other very well in person either, but technology brings its own unique challenges.
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I have several Study Bibles that I have purchased in town at Lifeway. I have a Scofield Reference Study Bible, a John MacArthur Study Bible, A Key Word Study Bible, a NKJV Study Bible, a John Hagee Prophecy Study Bible, and I located the outline in the John Hagee Prophecy Study Bible. This will be my last posting, I appreciate the people who truly have acted like CHRIST, and I am truly sorry if I have offended anyone. I do find it incredible, that all I asked for from a community of 'Christians,' was some advice and received such a negative response. My idea of Christianity is to be as courteous on the web, as you are in person. I teach a Bible Study and my group tonight were as shocked as I was earlier today. This is why I have never opened myself up to forums on the web, and I usually do not make the same mistake twice. JESUS said, "Do not cast your pearls before swine, lest they turn and rend you." I expect maltreatment from the world, but not from a forum geared for 'Christians.'
Peace to you Carol! I'm really sorry Ken was very rude in his first response to your original post, even using large type (caps!!!!) himself to make a point.
Thusly, he wrote .... Ken Baker | Forum Activity | Replied: Today 10:22 AM MIGHT I SUGGEST IN ALL HUMILITY AND AS A BROTHER IN CHRIST THAT YOU FIRST FIND THE CAPSLOCK KEY.
As of today (I just copied this from the forum main page a few moments ago!)
Forum Activity: 97,088 users have contributed to 56,167 threads and 434,715 posts.
So there are bound to be a few "rough edges," and there are various degrees of Christian Sanctification showing forth here. However, I hope all of us would be working hard and growing in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
So, please, Carol! Please recognise that you did not and could not "get maltreatment from a forum geared for `Christians,`" (your words!) C'mon! A forum cannot maltreat anyone! But individuals can! Frankly, Tom was Rude and I think out of line! Frankly, Carol, I think your remarks are rude also.
I would like, please, to remind all posters from the Book of Colossians -- Colossians 4:2-6 -- I believe that the Holy Bible contains God's Words - This is God speaking to us! Me, also! I also live in the forgiveness of sins for which Christ died and rose again! *smile*
Walk in wisdom toward outsiders, making the best use of the time. 6 Let your speech always be gracious, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how you ought to answer each person.
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Walk in wisdom toward outsiders, making the best use of the time. 6 Let your speech always be gracious, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how you ought to answer each person.
Continue steadfastly in prayer, being watchful in it with thanksgiving. 3 At the same time, pray also for us, that God may open to us a door for the word, to declare the mystery of Christ, on account of which I am in prison— 4 that I may make it clear, which is how I ought to speak.
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Walk in wisdom toward outsiders, making the best use of the time. 6 Let your speech always be gracious, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how you ought to answer each person.
edit: I'm sorry and I apologise that my Forum skills are not adequate enough and that this post is unduly "messy"! I am sorry indeed; however, "It is what it is!" *smile*Philippians 4: 4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........
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I think you meant Ken, not tom - I was the one who replied with all caps in the first sentence. It was simply to demonstrate my point and if that was rude, then I apologize. Sometimes some people need a visual... Any way. I suppose whats done is done. I'm glad that others interpreted my post in the spirit with which it was intended, even if everyone did not.
Back on point, toms post was about revelation being from different camera angles, then another tom posted, but I didn't find his post offensive either, so mine must be the one in question.
KenI wonder if I am the only one that finds Irony in all of this? My post that demonstrated the perils of all caps was offensive, because it used all caps.
I think perhaps I spend too much time on these forums - free time for me is rare, and thus valuable. Perhaps we all need to consider adding some salt to our words. I now find my self slightly offended (just being honest here... not fishing for an apology. frankly I won't be back to this thread).
Again - sorry Carol, that doing what you did, offended you and others.L2 lvl4 (...) WORDsearch, all the way through L10,
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I WOULD APPRECIATE ANYONE'S SUGGESTIONS?
Welcome [:D]
Some Logos search ideas:
Basic Search of Heading Text, Large Text, Title in Entire Library (or a Bible Background collection) for:
revelation (outline,timeline)
Search a collection of commentaries about Revelation for:
outline, timeline
Note: searching Entire Library includes a Topic section.
Keep Smiling [:)]
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Carol, first things first: Welcome to the Forum.
I have to confess to being tremendously surprised by his outburst
I would hardly call it an "OUTBURST", a gentel correction and illustration is closer to the point.
I am so grateful that I am not a new or very young Christian.
You may not be a young Christian, but you are a young LOGOS forum user (Close to your first post on this site).
The poster just wanted you to get off to a better start before some one else jumped on your case. I saw it as an act of kindness and that was the way you responed in your first couple of posts.
I am amazed that with the problems Christians are facing from a hostile world, that, large or small caps, actually matter?
BIG THINGS and little things matter to God, God is not offended by use of all caps but some people are.
GOD IS GOOD!
He is ALWAYS Good.I have found what I was looking for in a real Study Bible.
Was it one of the Study Bibles offered by Logos? http://www.logos.com/products/search?q=study+bible&start=0&sort=rel&pageSize=30
Feliz Navidad, Tom
Brother Tom! Peace to you, and I thank God for you!
I also thank you for your gracious post on these Logos Forums! Much appreciated indeed!
It's been a long and hard and heavy day for so many of us in so many respects ... we get tired ... we get grumpy ... out of sorts ...
Along with Tiny Tim and Dickens the author, I say in these days before we celebrate the birth of our Saviour ... "God Bless Us All -- Everyone!" *smile*
And may He be born again in my heart!
Philippians 4: 4 Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand..........
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Keep Smiling ... what an interesting screen-copy! Zooming and squinting, there' a BUNCH of information!
I notice in the lower left the ESV Study Bible seems to have an REV time line; that would have been interesting in the ESV-SB discussion earlier today.
I saved out your copy to study it some MORE!
Thank you.
"If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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I notice in the lower left the ESV Study Bible seems to have an REV time line; that would have been interesting in the ESV-SB discussion earlier today.
Keep Smiling [:)]
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Welcome aboard, Carol! While I mostly lurk, I've learned so much about using my Logos software here and the Logos Wiki. You'll not find a more learned, helpful group of folks who are quick to share their knowledge than here! Just ask and you'll see what I mean overall - you'll get helpful replies expediently.
I hope you continue on as a part of the Logos community and may you, too, have a Merry Christmas!
Debie
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