vyrso borrow between users
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Robert Peters said:
Can you let another logos user borrow a vyrso book?
No. (There is no "lending" feature) FWIW - I know that kindle has this feature, but it doesn't apply to all books. In fact, I have over 300 kindle books, and just noticed last week that one of my books was eligible to "lend." I'm sure I have more, but I've never noticed it before. I'm sure that most of my books fall outside of the lending policy.
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alabama24 said:Robert Peters said:
Can you let another logos user borrow a vyrso book?
No. (There is no "lending" feature) FWIW - I know that kindle has this feature, but it doesn't apply to all books. In fact, I have over 300 kindle books, and just noticed last week that one of my books was eligible to "lend." I'm sure I have more, but I've never noticed it before. I'm sure that most of my books fall outside of the lending policy.
Kindle's lending policy is so draconian that even with books that can be lent, the usefulness is limited: books can only be lent once and only for exactly 14 days (which means that even if the person is finished, you won't get it back until the 14 days are up).
I suspect it will be a long time before we see a decent e-book loan system because of publishers' fears of lost revenue.
The best way to loan a vyrso book to someone: loan them your tablet.
MacBook Pro (2019), ThinkPad E540
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I am surprised to hear of your experience with Kindle lending. My family and friends have used the feature a lot. I
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Todd Phillips said:
Kindle's lending policy is so draconian
Draconian or not it is MUCH better than nothing. I think what is draconian is for Logos not to negotiate a lending possibility, especially for users that spend thousands of $.
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toughski said:
especially for users that spend thousands of $.
No one spends "thousands of dollars"… (on a single resource… the publisher doesn't care how big your library is, they care how much you spent on the resource you want to lend). The industry just doesn't want lending of books. Furthermore, which would you rather have? A Vyrso book similar in price to Kindle (which may or may not allow you to lend, and if you do lend, only for 14 days and only once), or a more expensive book (even a dollar)? Negotiation doesn't mean Logos asks something for free from the publishers and they say, "OK." It is Logos asking "hey can users lend their books" and the publishers making further demands / concessions from Logos/You (including price). One thing that users seldom bring up is that in Logos we can copy and paste to our hearts content… which can't be done in most formats, especially Kindle!
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One thing that could be done is to allow loaning for public domain resources that Logos has built themselves (with no third party publisher involved). Logos has a lot of those now.
MacBook Pro (2019), ThinkPad E540
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Gao Lu said:
I am surprised to hear of your experience with Kindle lending. My family and friends have used the feature a lot. I
I hope to try it someday. Whenever I've wanted to loan a book, it never seems to have the option available. I did check my Kindle books, and about half of them have the Loan option. For some reason, it's always the ones without the option that I want to loan or borrow.
MacBook Pro (2019), ThinkPad E540
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alabama24 said:toughski said:
especially for users that spend thousands of $.
No one spends "thousands of dollars"… (on a single resource… the publisher doesn't care how big your library is, they care how much you spent on the resource you want to lend). The industry just doesn't want lending of books. Furthermore, which would you rather have? A Vyrso book similar in price to Kindle (which may or may not allow you to lend, and if you do lend, only for 14 days and only once), or a more expensive book (even a dollar)? Negotiation doesn't mean Logos asks something for free from the publishers and they say, "OK." It is Logos asking "hey can users lend their books" and the publishers making further demands / concessions from Logos/You (including price). One thing that users seldom bring up is that in Logos we can copy and paste to our hearts content… which can't be done in most formats, especially Kindle!
Alabama, I just don't understand why you always defend Logos, even twisting others' words to say so. So there is no further misunderstanding, let me clarify my statement: When I said "thousands of $" I referred to spending on entire library.
Lending books is a GOOD feature. Even necessary sometimes. Publishers "bake in" the price of lending/used copy sale into the paperbooks, I believe with time they will cave to consumer pressure and lighten lending restrictions on digital books. I am disappointed that Logos is not leading the way to allow any lending of their titles, especially public domain ones.
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toughski said:
When I said "thousands of $" I referred to spending on entire library.
I understood fully what you meant. I was trying to bring attention to the problem with your argument. A publisher doesn't care if you've spent MILLIONS of dollars with Logos. They only care how much you have given them.
toughski said:Lending books is a GOOD feature.
I didn't say it wasn't. I didn't imply that it wasn't.
toughski said:Alabama, I just don't understand why you always defend Logos
I dont. My augments about this issue have nothing to do with "defending" Logos… My agreements are based upon motivation for the publisher.
toughski said:I believe with time they will cave to consumer pressure and lighten lending restrictions on digital books.
Publisher's (as a whole) don't "cave to consumer pressure" just because people keep asking for something. They cave because of an economic motivation to do so. They may end up doing so… but it will be economics. Pressure from Amazon is strong. (Amazon has an economic motivation to allow book lending… it helps to drive sales of Kindle devices. This isn't a motivation Logos has!) Again, however, I will remind you that even Amazon lending is very limited in scope. As has been discussed here, it is a one time deal. It is for two full weeks and only two full weeks. It is only for a select number of resources.
I am not trying to be argumentative… just tying to explain the world as I see it. [:)]
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alabama24 said:
Publisher's (as a whole) don't "cave to consumer pressure" just because people keep asking for something.
you are not a good student of history.
just a few facts (this list is not exhaustive):
MP3 are now DRM free and sold by bigger numbers than ever.
BlueRay Disks now come with a smaller digital file that consumers can copy to their mobile device of choice.
Digital books (from major platforms like Apple, Kindle and Nook) can be read on several mobile devices owned by one user.
NONE of these are to the financial benefit of the digital rights holder, EXCEPT for one - by satisfying customer's reasonable wants they get to sell to him or her one more time.
It is called earning customer's trust and respect. What would stop consumers now from buying one mp3 and giving it to all of their friends? Yet, DRM free is the new industry standard. The reason people BUY more mp3s rather than STEAL them now is because industry made it easy and cheap (I don't have to buy the whole album for a couple of good songs) for them to buy.
There are programs out there now that would strip DRM from a Kindle (or Apple or Logos) book and make it shareable. But this is difficult. I say to publishers - make it as easy for consumers to share their digital books as paperbooks and you will see bigger profits, because most people that borrow good books will want to have their own copy.
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And, by the way, I recall that several really big-name publishers were sued last year for conspiracy to fix prices and LOST and were forced to pay heavy damages. Some publishers are greedy. (Some consumers are thieves.)
Again, borrowing and lending books is not evil or amoral. It should not be difficult.
So far Amazon is leading the pack in consumer-friendliness (they were the first ones to drop DRM from mp3s, by the way) and they got my business.
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Not being able to lend books is one of the biggest disadvantages of purchasing Logos books vs. buying paper copies. Do you think there is any hope to resolve this in the future?
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Bruce Dunning said:
Not being able to lend books is one of the biggest disadvantages of purchasing Logos books vs. buying paper copies. Do you think there is any hope to resolve this in the future?
This is a non-issue to me. I do not feel any responsibility to be a personal lending library to my friends, church, or the community at large.
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Bruce Dunning said:
Do you think there is any hope to resolve this in the future?
Yes. But the future is a long time from now. [:P]
I don't think there will be any real movement in the near term.
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Super Tramp said:
This is a non-issue to me. I do not feel any responsibility to be a personal lending library to my friends, church, or the community at large.
I don't feel any responsibility either. Rather there are times when I want others to read something and that simply isn't possible now. Some day....
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