Microsoft Surface
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If you purchase the Surface RT, there is an app for it I believe. If you purchase the Surface Pro 128 GB, you can install your Logos software onto it. When you do that, you are able to use your program, even if you are not connected to the internet. It is really handy at church or Bible study!
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How well does the full version of Logos work on the Surface Pro?
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I have the Silver version, and it works as well on my Surface as it does on my desktop computer. The only problem that I see is the size of the screen. When reading the Bible on it, I cannot make it bigger by stretching it, although I could probably increase the display size. I recommend using one of the keyboards with it also, rather than the touch screen. I have close to 80 GB of space left on the hard drive also. I do not use all the features of Logos, but it seems like it wouldn't matter as far as usability and responsiveness.
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How Does The Surface Pro Run Logos You Ask??.......Well In My View...EXCELLENT! I waited for the Surface pro JUST FOR LOGOS! I use OneNote (have for years) and using that along with LOGOS is a, well a..."Thank you Lord" thing
I just LOVE the Wacom pen enabled screen and the no-lag writing and stylus usage (but I am a long-time tablet PC user, so I love to be able to write on the screen)Logos 5 Platinum runs faster on my Surface than on my 3 year old HP Elite i7 160gb SSD w/8gb Ram (which is a screamer in my view too)...Surface Pro ROCKS!
I really do love it...It works great with all my layouts, and the screen is so sharp, that it is easy to do exegesis. If you need to, you can certainly up the font or overall size of your layouts...but all I have set is my font to 110%. My Surface Pro is running the default 150% screen size...although many use 125%...I find that a bit hard on MY eyes lol.
I even use my Pro to preach...the screen is just excellent! Your sermons are just a "swipe" (or click) away[H]
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Preacherman said:
How Does The Surface Pro Run Logos You Ask??.......Well In My View...EXCELLENT!
I have been on a trek over the past month or two to settle on a Windows 8 tablet. I started with the Samsung ATIV 500t with the Atom processor. It was great for everything except Logos.
Then, I tried out a Samsung ATIV 700t, which a number of folks on the Logos forum have purchased. I found that it ran Logos great. I took that tablet back because I didn't like the 11.6-inch form factor. The 700t did not run hot and got surprising battery life for a Core I5 tablet. But, it was too big for me.
Next, I tried out the Lenovo Thinkpad Tablet 2, which also has the same Atom processor as the ATIV 500t, except in a 10.1-inch form factor that weighed less than any other tablet on the market. It was the best tablet for everything -- looks, build quality, inking in One Note, battery life, form factor -- except once again, it couldn't run Logos. When I bought it I was hoping against hope that it would run Logos acceptably. Alas, it did not. I even tried installing Libronix on it with the hope that the Atom processor and 2 GB of RAM would work. That failed. I would have stayed with the TPT2 if Logos' Modern UI app had any semblance of feature parity with the Android version. However, Logos has declared publicly it is in a wait-and-see mode to determine if there is a sufficient market for Windows 8 tablets before it develops this app any further. Well with that vote of no confidence, back went the TPT2.
Now I have the Surface Pro. As Preacherman says, it runs Logos very well. I can scroll through screens with touch, highlight, and do all the things I couldn't do on the Atom-based Windows tablets. The Surface Pro has a 10.6-inch screen, which is as big as I want to go with a tablet because I want to hold this thing and read from it comfortably. The Surface Pro isn't perfect -- the digitizer calibration is a little off, the unit runs hot if you don't adjust the power settings, and battery life is the worst of all the tablets I have tried out. However, I have tweaked the power settings so that the Surface Pro does not run hot for me and am finding the battery life acceptable.
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Anyone know when the next release of the Windows Modern UI version of Logos is expected? I picked up a Surface RT a little over a week ago and was surprised to see that in five months, there still is not an overly-robust Bible app for it.
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Basically unless there is a significant marketshare gained by the Surface RT, the development has been halted at 1...
See Bob's reply here: http://community.logos.com/forums/p/63184/447539.aspx#447539
-Dan
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Right. I had seen that already, which is why I was asking if there was any update.
There were 1.1 million Surface RTs sold in four months, and I don't know how many from other companies, but I'm sure that doesn't translate into too many users yet.
It's not a huge deal to me--I bought the Surface mainly for play, but it would be nice to have some decent Bbile software on it. It's rare that the Kindle Reader is the more capable app than dedicated Bible software on a platform.
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Rick,
Windows "Blue" is going to be the next update to RT, and should be out pretty soon. Despite slow sales of the Surface RT, I think Microsoft knows that the "Modern UI" ("Metro") is the future of the company, whether it's on ARM-based devices or not. You can see that in the latest updates to Blue... Currently, for example, you control panel settings for the desktop AND control panel settings for the Metro interface. In Blue, these will merge. I see the desktop becoming more transparent as time goes on... much like Apple did with their Rosetta emulation layer.
That being said, RT still has a long way to go, and the desktop isn't going away any time soon. That will mean that Metro-style apps will be developed more slowly than if Microsoft did away with the desktop completely (which would be crazy, given the current state of RT). It's an interesting time for Microsoft and computer users. I'm a long-time Mac user, but I just purchased a Windows Surface Pro. Why? I want to be able to run the full desktop version of Accordance (when it is released later this year) on a tablet :-)
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I am very excited about what I read about the surface pro , but I am looking for the next generation because of its low battery usage. I hope Microsoft may improve it.
Blessings in Christ.
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Mark Allison said:
I'm a long-time Mac user, but I just purchased a Windows Surface Pro. Why? I want to be able to run the full desktop version of Accordance (when it is released later this year) on a tablet :-)
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Ah, but Rick, you're missing the point. I don't care about the Windows version per se; I just want to run the full version of Accordance on a tablet :-)
Mark
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Oh, I got you. Yes, I missed the point. That will be an interesting experience.
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I have the 128Gb Surface Pro. Love having full version of L5 in my lap during worship.
SUGGESTION: First improvement to the Win8 App needs to be incorporating the reference search interface that is in the Faithlife Study Bible iOS app. 3 clicks (Book, chapter, verse) is much quicker than onscreen keyboard input into the search window when a preacher is doing a topical message and skipping all over the Bible.
Can I get an AMEN?
Making Disciples! Logos Ecosystem = LogosMax on Microsoft Surface Pro 7 (Win11), Android app on tablet, FSB on iPhone & iPad mini, Proclaim (Proclaim Remote on Fire Tablet).
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David Thomas said:
I have the 128Gb Surface Pro. Love having full version of L5 in my lap during worship.
SUGGESTION: First improvement to the Win8 App needs to be incorporating the reference search interface that is in the Faithlife Study Bible iOS app. 3 clicks (Book, chapter, verse) is much quicker than onscreen keyboard input into the search window when a preacher is doing a topical message and skipping all over the Bible.
Can I get an AMEN?
Amen! congrats David. It would be very nice if you could allow us to see some screenshots of Logos in surface pro.
Blessings in Christ.
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Here is a screen capture of my L5 Layout that I use on my Surface when in worship or small groups.
I can't seem to get the snipping tool to work in the Win8 Logos App.
EDIT: Here is a hint for all Surface models where there is not PrtScr button on the keyboard - Press volume Down and the Windows logo at the bottom of your touchscreen to do a Screen Capture.
Here is what the ESV looks like in the Win8 app on the Surface.
Making Disciples! Logos Ecosystem = LogosMax on Microsoft Surface Pro 7 (Win11), Android app on tablet, FSB on iPhone & iPad mini, Proclaim (Proclaim Remote on Fire Tablet).
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Tes asked for images from the Microsoft Surface...
Here is a screenshot of the main screen in the Win8 APP (Tiles are of books I recently opened)
If you click on the "See all Library" tile the program displays this (Notice: I filtered for "Lexham" resources in my Library)
Making Disciples! Logos Ecosystem = LogosMax on Microsoft Surface Pro 7 (Win11), Android app on tablet, FSB on iPhone & iPad mini, Proclaim (Proclaim Remote on Fire Tablet).
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Wow David! It looks very beautiful, thank you for letting me to view it in such a very clear display.
Blessings in Christ.
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David Thomas said:
I have the 128Gb Surface Pro. Love having full version of L5 in my lap during worship.
SUGGESTION: First improvement to the Win8 App needs to be incorporating the reference search interface that is in the Faithlife Study Bible iOS app. 3 clicks (Book, chapter, verse) is much quicker than onscreen keyboard input into the search window when a preacher is doing a topical message and skipping all over the Bible.
Can I get an AMEN?
Congratulations on the tablet. Having a portable and complete version of Logos is awesome!
The verse picker would definitely be handy on Windows 8 touch devices. I started posting issues like this a week or so ago. If anyone sees things I've missed (and I'm sure I've missed a lot) in those sections I've looked through, please add to those threads. I've still got notes I need to get together on other areas, but what I have so far is in these threads:
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Randy (Shayne),
Those are some well-presented observations and I truly appreciate the tone with which they are presented. You truly seem to want to help Logos produce a better product without whining about the current state of the program. THANK YOU for your tone.
Dave
Making Disciples! Logos Ecosystem = LogosMax on Microsoft Surface Pro 7 (Win11), Android app on tablet, FSB on iPhone & iPad mini, Proclaim (Proclaim Remote on Fire Tablet).
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David, we appreciate you and I do personally as you steered me here (oops - I actually had never been in this part of Logos forums) and I can daydream about using Windows 8 Pro on a Tablet once I win the lottery now (though I realize that may not be a Godly pursuit...the Lottery I mean).
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Bill Anderson...You rock!
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Wow Tes, imagining spending $900 or more for the overheating Surface Pro and then be saddled with very little time on it before it needs to be recharged.
I think someone in an earlier post said there is a setting that migh eke out more time but I bet version 2 of Surface pro is a long way off. I think the unit I saw in the store was very warm (hot actually) but it was because it had LEFT been on so long someone said.
Thoughts of my $900 Surface exploding or overheating (should I ever be able to actually afford one!) seem a little scary.
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David Thomas said:
SUGGESTION: First improvement to the Win8 App needs to be incorporating the reference search interface that is in the Faithlife Study Bible iOS app. 3 clicks (Book, chapter, verse) is much quicker than onscreen keyboard input into the search window when a preacher is doing a topical message and skipping all over the Bible.
UPDATE: I found that opening the Index (the << in the upper left corner of the pane) allowed me to click on the book of the Bible, then the chapter quickly then it was easy to use the touch interface to scroll to the verse.
Making Disciples! Logos Ecosystem = LogosMax on Microsoft Surface Pro 7 (Win11), Android app on tablet, FSB on iPhone & iPad mini, Proclaim (Proclaim Remote on Fire Tablet).
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Wow Tes, imagining spending $900 or more for the overheating Surface Pro and then be saddled with very little time on it before it needs to be recharged.
I think someone in an earlier post said there is a setting that migh eke out more time but I bet version 2 of Surface pro is a long way off. I think the unit I saw in the store was very warm (hot actually) but it was because it had LEFT been on so long someone said.
Thoughts of my $900 Surface exploding or overheating (should I ever be able to actually afford one!) seem a little scary.
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Joshua,perhaps the one you have seen may have defect.From what I have read the negative side of it are,that it is thicker and heavier than other tables comparatively to others,plus its low battery life time,I would like to hear from others who have the device.
Blessings in Christ.
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For a thorough review of temps:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6695/microsoft-surface-pro-review/7I never notice the heat terribly. I usually use it on my lap or on a table when doing serious computing. When I use it in my hand is consumption, not production.
For example, I preached for a little over 20 minutes palming the Surface Pro, sliding up a PDF (in full-screen maximized) that I printed digitally from MS Word. It was comfortable the whole time, brilliant screen even at 50% brightness. But I have to figure out a way to keep the lights above my pulpit from shining off my Surface Pro and causing a distracting reflection (that bounces around the back and projector screen) as I move. Maybe a anti-glare or anti-reflective covering of some sort.
Yours in Christ,
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[quote user="Vincent Xavier Shaw"]
For a thorough review of temps:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6695/microsoft-surface-pro-review/7I never notice the heat terribly. I usually use it on my lap or on a table when doing serious computing. When I use it in my hand is consumption, not production.
For example, I preached for a little over 20 minutes palming the Surface Pro, sliding up a PDF (in full-screen maximized) that I printed digitally from MS Word. It was comfortable the whole time, brilliant screen even at 50% brightness. But I have to figure out a way to keep the lights above my pulpit from shining off my Surface Pro and causing a distracting reflection (that bounces around the back and projector screen) as I move. Maybe a anti-glare or anti-reflective covering of some sort.
Yours in Christ,
Rev. Vincent X Shaw, M.Div.[/quote]
Thank you Vincent for the live confirmation.
Blessings in Christ.
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Preacherman and David Thomas, what version of Surface pro are each of you using? And also, if you don't mind me asking, about how much do they run? I see lots of different options out there and if I was to purchase one, I want to make sure the full Logos program would run smoothly.
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Liam,
You didn't address me, but I have a Surface Pro with the 128GB SSD. I don't have a lot of software loaded on my tablet, but all of my library (2,539 resources with Perseus hidden) in my Logos 5 directory (16.5 GB) fits just fine.
Really the only difference is the extra $100 you pay for the 128GB model. The 64GB model runs $899 and the 128GB runs $999. It is well worth the extra $100 to spring for the 128GB model. BTW, I have a touch cover as well, and that will set you back another $120.
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I got my customized skin for the Surface RT today from decalgirl.com.
The attached photos show a customized skin I created by uploading a high res image of Peter Paul Reubens' (1577-1640) painting Angels Destroy the Armies of Sennacherib, which is based on 2 Kings 19:35-36.
When I was setting it up at the website, the preview image showed a custom image on the Windows RT start screen, but I've been unable as of yet to change that. I did change the lock screen and desktop however, to make the image work with the frame.
Back:
Front:
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Mansfield..that really is neat and an attention grabber.
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I would love a Surface but they are too expensive. As a future Pastor who will preach expositionally, I hope never to take people on a wild whirlwind tour of the Bible each Sunday.
Staying on one passage and remaining there is what I will strive for.
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Rick, that's amazing! Did you create the pattern yourself or was it already on DecalGirl? I love it!
Mark Allison
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I created it myself, obtaining the image from "another" Bible program.
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Liam Walsh said:
Preacherman and David Thomas, what version of Surface pro are each of you using? And also, if you don't mind me asking, about how much do they run? I see lots of different options out there and if I was to purchase one, I want to make sure the full Logos program would run smoothly.
I have the 128 GB (Cost will probably depend upon your location). Previously I had used a Dell laptop running Win 7 and a 16 GB iPad2. When I changed jobs and left that hardware with the church I left, I chose to buy the Surface as 1 device to replace the two. I have been quite happy with that choiceMaking Disciples! Logos Ecosystem = LogosMax on Microsoft Surface Pro 7 (Win11), Android app on tablet, FSB on iPhone & iPad mini, Proclaim (Proclaim Remote on Fire Tablet).
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I (a full-time pastor since 1988) also prefer expository preaching (I know there are various definitions of this term). Years ago I heard a quote attributed to Walt Kaiser - "Keep your finger on the text." There are times when I quote supporting texts to illustrate other Biblical authors contributions to the subject or historical setting (especially when preaching a narrative), but if the message I preach is faithful to the original intent of the original author I find the page-flipping I did as a novice preacher has SEVERELY decreased.
To justify this post within the Logos Forums - allow me to recommend the Lexham Discourse Hebrew and Greek bundles as a great tool for studying the original intent of the original author.
Making Disciples! Logos Ecosystem = LogosMax on Microsoft Surface Pro 7 (Win11), Android app on tablet, FSB on iPhone & iPad mini, Proclaim (Proclaim Remote on Fire Tablet).
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Chad (original poster) From everything I read Logos 5 doesnt work fully or properly on any android or Windows 8 Pro machine (I know they are different os) at all.
What a shame. I am hoping for a Tablet Application - preferably with full 5.0 functionality - in the near future. Will keep praying.
Slow, expensive, and unable to Highlight as I read and take notes....not good!
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Joshua Lieder said:
Chad (original poster) From everything I read Logos 5 doesnt work fully or properly on any android or Windows 8 Pro machine (I know they are different os) at all.
What a shame. I am hoping for a Tablet Application - preferably with full 5.0 functionality - in the near future. Will keep praying.
Slow, expensive, and unable to Highlight as I read and take notes....not good!
Joshua, you got some wrong information somewhere.Logos 5 does work properly and quickly on a Windows 8 Pro device (although the device is costly). The Bible! app in the Microsoft Store doesn't allow highlighting.Making Disciples! Logos Ecosystem = LogosMax on Microsoft Surface Pro 7 (Win11), Android app on tablet, FSB on iPhone & iPad mini, Proclaim (Proclaim Remote on Fire Tablet).
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David Thomas said:
The Bible! app in the Microsoft Store doesn't allow highlighting.
Or note-taking or search or parallel texts [:(]
Speaking of the latter, the Surface RT's extra-wide screen would probably accommodate three parallel texts, which would be quite nice.
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The Bible! app in the Microsoft Store doesn't allow highlighting.
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Or note-taking or search or parallel texts
Speaking of the latter, the Surface RT's extra-wide screen would probably accommodate three parallel texts, which would be quite nice.
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Blessings in Christ.
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Dave. I am hoping for an inexpensive tablet that runs all of Logos 5 efficiently just like my laptop. I really am not confused despite NOT using the right lingo here.
I can say I own a go-cart and it runs - but I defy anyone to tell me I should put it on the highway and try to change lanes [:)]
We really want Logos to put full functionality into its new Windows version of the app so split screens and similar working features are there.
Touch functionality is almost non-existant from what I have read.
Not having highlighting in the app is a major - forget it and wait - concern for me.
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a 7 inch tablet is NOT good news, sorry.[:(]
Too small a screen. I want my Tablet screen to do it all with touch functionality from within the app!!!!!
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Joshua Lieder said:
a 7 inch tablet is NOT good news, sorry.
Too small a screen. I want my Tablet screen to do it all with touch functionality from within the app!!!!!
You might be surprised--the iPad mini has a 7.9" screen and is quite capable.
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How can I justify such a huge expense on this Tablet?
Does the stylus underline well in the reader at least?
Will it mirror what my Windows Laptop does well or does it hesitate?
Anyone care to comment on the low volume for media please?
Also, why is the back of this product always hot?
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Scott has written
Scott Alexander (Logos) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed Oct 24, 2012 10:14 PM
Yes, the current version is very basic but we are working hard to match the functionality provided by the Logos Bible app on the iOS and Android platforms. Expect updates every few weeks.My question, why not make Windows 8 Pro work properly on a Tablet and plan that way. Better yet, make the Android version actually do something other than be a "reader" please.0 -
Joshua, I suggest you may want to move on from the Surface Pro and look at other options. While it may convince you it's worth, it's not worth spending too much time regretting and thinking about it.
The stylus is brilliant and underlines very well. I can underline with the stylus, then use my finger to swipe to another page.
I love having super-powered Logos without having to wait for a little app to be fixed. I've used Android, WindowsPhone, IOS, and simply put: no regrets on me.
The battery is easily mitigated for me because I have multiple chargers, for the office and at home. Having been in the technology and now as a pastor, I realize if I am in front of my computer for 8 hours, something's probably wrong. So the 4-5 hour battery life doesn't matter as much as having the benefit of a full powered laptop in a tablet size. (Don't forget the full HD 1080p screen.)
The volume is too low if you plan on making hospital visits and using this as a all-in-one media system. The laptop guts squished into a tablet size just doesn't allow room for room-filling sound. Physics can't be bent enough for my needs. But I can work around this issue with a simple external speaker.
The heat of the system is comparable to any laptop. It's really a brilliant cooling system. The intel i5 processer of this laptop is 100 times more powerful than a cellphone processor (or typical tablet) and thus hotter. The good news of the innovative cooling method allows this i5 to retain it's overclock longer and more consistently. So it's even faster than most ultrabooks that don't vent as efficiently.
To answer your windows laptop question, I don't know what you have. What is your Windows Laptop?
I have no need for my quad-core laptop I used to use and I don't regret no longer having an 3.8Ghz 8-core with 16GB 1600Mhz RAM, with 4 hard drives in RAID. That was a beast, but serious overkill. This reboots in seconds, about 20, but I don't count. I hope I was helpful, as writing this helps put things in perspective for me too.
A side note, have you considered getting an Android? Maybe a combination as a phone will save money too! For instance, the Samsung Galaxy Note 2 with it's stylus runs a very mature Logos app and functions like a laptop for most. Since I have to create, I chose otherwise. The stylus in the Note 2 and the Surface Windows Pro are interchangeable. In fact, I use 2 pens I had laying around from my old HP TM2 and my old Acer Tablet PC. Those devices only achieved 1.5 hrs of battery, were much slower, the GPU on the HP TX series were known to melt off the cooling system.
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Well said Vincent.
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Hi Vincent
Thanks for taking the time to reply. Does the underlining in a book happen automatically or do you need to open up a window and choose a highlighter color or style every time first please?
Volume is too low but I wont really be watching too many films on it anyway.
Heat is there despite every reviewer saying its negligible. I have a 2 year old Toshiba Satellite that I hooked up to a very large Samsung external screen.
I have an android motorola phone and a Nexus 7 (only 8 meg ram) which I hope to sell someday especially before the refresh comes out in July (Lord, hear my prayer). I use the Logos application on it but miss the full functionality of my laptop/large screen combo.
Glad to know the stylus works well. I would be curious for some pictures or video of the stylus working and how many steps are involved. I like to highlight in yellow as I read for example (and then - fingers crossed - see it in my windows or android version too).
Thanks again. Stay safe everyone. God bless Boston, the families of lost ones and God bless the USA - may she return to Jesus and lift Him high again!
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Joshua,
In Logos 5 on my Surface Pro, I open up the highlighting palette in the Tools menu and leave it open. Then I select the text I want to highlight with the stylus and tap the highlighting color in the palette. Done.
On an Android or iOS device, you have to select the text you want to highlight, press the highlight button that comes up when you are done selecting, select the highlighter you have previously selected (provided you have done so; if not you have to select one) and then hit the Done button.
To see a picture of what it looks like on Logos 5 on the Surface Pro, just open and leave open the highlighting palette.
I echo your benediction upon Boston. To quote a hymn, "Though the wrong seems oft so strong, God is the Ruler yet."
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[quote user="Bill Anderson"]I open up the highlighting palette in the Tools menu and leave it open
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Bill, is it not possible to use shortcuts?
Blessings in Christ.
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