Moody titles will be going away

Mr. Kent,

I just purchased the Silver upgrade and didn't realize it offered the Theological Wordbook of the Old Testament published by Moody for $23.95.  I forgot to mentioned that to sales, but I don't want to wait for tomorrow because it might be gone, so I went ahead and purchased it for the current price of $49.95 -- Do you think I could get a credit/refund back for the difference?  I know it's been done in the past and I know the sales person honored the special prices on some books you offer when you upgrade (I purchased Louw-Nida today at a very discounted price due to me upgrading to silver recently.  So I hope it can be done and Logos can give me a credit/refund for the difference.  Like I said, when I read this post I checked if I owned the resource and it turns out that I don't and since sales is close (9:30 EST) then I had no choice but to purchase it at regular price before it's too late and it's forever gone!

Thanks for everything and I hope something can be worked out to keep selling Moody titles!

DAL

I, too, sent an email to Moody Publishers.

Maan... I really want MacArthur's bundle. I listen & read his sermon often and have been 1 of his conference.. Great guy! Kinda wanna buy it but couldn't afford it really ..

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Maybe I should just continue regularly visit MacArthur's website since I couldn't afford his bundle at the moment... [:'(][:'(][:'(]

Jacob Hantla said:

Think I own everything Moody that I need. Thankfully there's enough Libronix MacArthur Lifeworks CDs floating around for sale still some people who are late to the party can at least pick up some of the commentaries. 

what's included in the CDs? Also, can we call CS if we buy have a key?

Michael Childs said:

Is Mebin said:

Michael Childs said:

The loss of John MacArthur will be huge to Logos.

I will not see the loss of MacArthur as a loss...just my personal opinion...

Of course, it is always personal opinion as to what resources we buy.  I respect John MacArthur, though as a Wesleyan and non-dispensationalist, I disagree with him on many things.  In fact, about the only thing he writes that I am interested in is his New Testament Commentaries which I already have.  (I think he does a great job on the commentaries, and I am not intimidated by the parts of his theology that I disagree with.)  So I don't mean it will be a big loss to me, personally. 

Yes, Michael, I agree it is a loss for Logos and for Moody, but especially for those that are blessed by Moody products (even MacArthur)...lol!  I really was just having a tongue in cheek swipe at MacArthur as his "Charasmatic Chaos" left a bad taste in my mouth many years ago -  I read widely from all parts of Christendom, and have a few of MacArthur's books on my shelf, but personally (and I respect that he is held in high regard by many) I'd rather spend my money elsewhere.  God bless mate...:)

I mean that John MacArthur is very popular, and a big seller.  The loss of his books will hurt Logos, if it cannot be corrected.  It will hurt Logos in relationship to rival software which will continue to carry MacArthur's works.  Because I care deeply about Logos' future - as well as my investment in Logos resources - I do indeed think the loss of John MacArthur is huge.

I don't mean to be a conspiracy nut, but is it possible that rival software is trying to get exclusive contracts with publishers of some popular resources in order to squeeze Logos out and increase their market share?

mike said:

do you know whats on the MacArthur's cd?

Mike, I don't since I don't have these resources.  If you google "John MacArthur Lifeworks Library AND libronix CD-ROM" and "John MacArthur Essential Bible Study Library AND libronix CD-ROM" hopefully you will find what you need.

Here are the Logos equivalent resources - however I don't know if they match exactly what's on the CD-ROM licence you can buy:

http://www.logos.com/product/8584/macarthur-lifeworks-library-20

http://www.logos.com/product/8582/john-macarthur-essential-bible-study-library 

Here is a list of all my "moody" resources I own "publisher:moody"

I have placed a an * next to the resources I use regularly or have found usefull.

* = good

*** = indispensible, a must have item

Moody Books

1 Timothy: The MacArthur New Testament Commentary
MacArthur, John F., Jr. 1 Timothy. MacArthur New Testament Commentary. Chicago: Moody Press, 1995.

2 Timothy: The MacArthur New Testament Commentary
MacArthur, John F., Jr. 2 Timothy. MacArthur New Testament Commentary. Chicago: Moody Press, 1995.

The Art of Storytelling: Easy Steps to Presenting an Unforgettable Story
Walsh, John D. The Art of Storytelling: Easy Steps to Presenting an Unforgettable Story. Chicago, IL: Moody Publishers, 2003.

As Iron Sharpens Iron: Building Character in a Mentoring Relationship
Hendricks, Howard, William Hendricks, Howard, and William. As Iron Sharpens Iron: Building Character in a Mentoring Relationship. Chicago, IL: Moody Publishers, 2009.

The Believer’s Armor: Ephesians 6:10–24
MacArthur, John. The Believer’s Armor. Chicago: Moody Press, 1986.

Biblical Answers to Contemporary Issues
Ryrie, Charles C. Biblical Answers to Contemporary Issues. Chicago, IL: Moody Press, 1991.

**A Biblical Theology of Missions
Peters, George W. A Biblical Theology of Missions. Chicago, IL: Moody Press, 1972.

*A Biblical Theology of the New Testament
Zuck, Roy B. A Biblical Theology of the New Testament. electronic ed. Chicago: Moody Press, 1994.

*A Biblical Theology of the Old Testament
Zuck, Roy B. A Biblical Theology of the Old Testament. electronic ed. Chicago: Moody Press, 1991.

Caring for Souls: Counseling Under the Authority of Scripture
Shields, Harry, and Gary J. Bredfeldt. Caring for Souls: Counseling Under the Authority of Scripture. Chicago, IL: Moody Press, 2001.

Change is Like A Slinky®: 30 Strategies for Promoting and Surviving Change in Your Organization
Finzel, Hans. Change Is Like a Slinky®: 30 Strategies for Promoting and Surviving Change in Your Organization. Chicago, IL: Northfield Publishing, 2004.

Defying Gravity: How to Survive the Storms of Pastoral Ministry
Henderson, Daniel. Defying Gravity: How to Survive the Storms of Pastoral Ministry. Chicago, IL: Moody Publishers, 2010.

*The Effective Pastor
Anderson, Robert C. The Effective Pastor. Chicago, IL: Moody Press, 1985.

From Fear to Love: Overcoming the Barriers to Healthy Relationships
Kane, Raymond, and Nancy Kane. From Fear to Love: Overcoming the Barriers to Healthy Relationships. Chicago, IL: Moody Press, 2002.

The Fulfilled Family
MacArthur, John F., Jr. The Fulfilled Family. Chicago: Moody Press, 1981.

A General Introduction to the Bible, Revised and Expanded
Geisler, Norman L., and William E. Nix. A General Introduction to the Bible. Rev. and expanded. Chicago: Moody Press, 1986.

Giving & Getting in the Kingdom: A Field Guide
Dillon, R. Mark. Giving & Getting in the Kingdom: A Field Guide. Chicago, IL: Moody Publishers, 2012.

Godology: Because Knowing God Changes Everything
George, Christian. Godology: Because Knowing God Changes Everything. Chicago, IL: Moody Publishers, 2009.

Great Leader Great Teacher: Recovering the Biblical Vision for Leadership
Bredfeldt, Gary, and R. Albert Mohler, Jr. Great Leader Great Teacher: Recovering the Biblical Vision for Leadership. Chicago, IL: Moody Publishers, 2006.

Hitler’s Cross: How the Cross of Christ Was Used to Promote the Nazi Agenda
Lutzer, Erwin, and Ravi Zacharias. Hitler’s Cross: How the Cross of Christ Was Used to Promote the Nazi Agenda. Chicago, IL: Moody Publishers, 2012.

Honest to God: The Means to True Transformation
Weidmann, Josh. Honest to God: The Means to True Transformation. Chicago, IL: Moody Publishers, 2012.

How to Know You’re Saved
Cole, C. Donald. How to Know You’re Saved. Chicago, IL: Moody Publishers, 2008.

How to Study the Bible
MacArthur, John, Jr. How to Study the Bible. John MacArthur's Bible Studies. Chicago: Moody Press, 1985.

The Intentional Church: Moving from Church Success to Community Transformation
Pope, Randy. The Intentional Church: Moving from Church Success to Community Transformation. Chicago, IL: Moody Publishers, 2006.

***Jensen’s Survey of  the New Testament
Jensen, Irving L. Jensen's Survey of the New Testament: Search and Discover. Chicago: Moody Press, 1981.

***Jensen’s Survey of  the Old Testament
Jensen, Irving L. Jensen's Survey of the Old Testament: Search and Discover. Chicago: Moody Press, 1978.

***Living by the Book: The Art and Science of Reading the Bible
Hendricks, Howard G., and William D. Hendricks. Living by the Book: The Art and Science of Reading the Bible. Chicago: Moody Publishers, 2007.

Living in Financial Victory
Evans, Tony. Living in Financial Victory. Chicago, IL: Moody Publishers, 2013.

The Making of an Atheist: How Immorality Leads to Unbelief
Spiegel, James S. The Making of an Atheist: How Immorality Leads to Unbelief. Chicago, IL: Moody Publishers, 2010.

The Mark of Jesus: Loving in a Way the World Can See
George, Timothy, and John Woodbridge. The Mark of Jesus: Loving in a Way the World Can See. Chicago, IL: Moody Publishers, 2005.

The Master’s Plan for the Church
MacArthur, John F., Jr. The Master’s Plan for the Church. Chicago: Moody Press, 1991.

**The Moody Handbook of Theology
Enns, Paul P. The Moody Handbook of Theology. Chicago, IL: Moody Press, 1989.

*The New Manners and Customs of Bible Times
Gower, Ralph, and Fred Wright. The New Manners and Customs of Bible Times. Chicago: Moody Press, 1987.

**The New Unger’s Bible Dictionary
Unger, Merrill Frederick, R. K. Harrison, Howard Frederic Vos et al. The New Unger’s Bible Dictionary. Rev. and updated ed. Chicago: Moody Press, 1988.

**The New Unger’s Bible Handbook
Unger, Merrill Frederick. The New Unger’s Bible Handbook. Rev. and updated ed. Chicago: Moody Publishers, 2005.

The Only Way to Happiness
MacArthur, John. The Beatitudes: The Only Way to Happiness. Chicago: Moody Press, 1998.

An Open Letter to a Jehovah’s Witness
Zuck, Roy B. An Open Letter to a Jehovah’s Witness. Chicago, IL: Moody Publishers, 2012.

*Paul the Apostle
Picirilli, Robert E. Paul the Apostle. Chicago: Moody Publishers, 1986.

The Real Scandal of the Evangelical Mind
Trueman, Carl R. The Real Scandal of the Evangelical Mind. Chicago, IL: Moody Publishers, 2011.

The Road Trip that Changed the World: The Unlikely Theory that Will Change How You View Culture, the Church, and Most Importantly, Yourself
Sayers, Mark. The Road Trip That Changed the World: The Unlikely Theory That Will Change How You View Culture, the Church, and Most Importantly, Yourself. Chicago, IL: Moody Publishers, 2012.

*Ryrie’s Basic Theology
Ryrie, Charles Caldwell. Basic Theology: A Popular Systematic Guide to Understanding Biblical Truth. Chicago, IL: Moody Press, 1999.

Soul Mission: Establishing Your Life’s Strategic Priorities
Richard, Ramesh. Soul Mission: Establishing Your Life’s Strategic Priorities. Chicago, IL: Moody Publishers, 2004.

***Spiritual Discipleship: Principles of Following Christ for Every Believer
Sanders, J. Oswald. Spiritual Discipleship: Principles of Following Christ for Every Believer. Chicago, IL: Moody Publishers, 2007.

***Spiritual Leadership: Principles of Excellence for Every Believer
Sanders, J. Oswald. Spiritual Leadership : Principles of Excellence for Every Believer. Updated ed.]. Chicago, IL: Moody Publishers, 2007.

A Survey of Bible Doctrine
Ryrie, Charles Caldwell. A Survey of Bible Doctrine. Chicago: Moody Press, 1972.

*A Survey of Old Testament Introduction
Archer, Gleason, Jr. A Survey of Old Testament Introduction. 3rd. ed. Chicago: Moody Press, 1994.

***Theological Wordbook of the Old Testament
Theological Wordbook of the Old Testament. Edited by R. Laird Harris, Gleason L. Archer, Jr. and Bruce K. Waltke. electronic ed. Chicago: Moody Press, 1999.

Titus: The MacArthur New Testament Commentary
MacArthur, John F., Jr. Titus. MacArthur New Testament Commentary. Chicago: Moody Press, 1996.

Tony Evans Book of Illustrations: Stories, Quotes, and Anecdotes from More Than 30 Years of Preaching and Public Speaking
Evans, Tony. Tony Evans' Book of Illustrations: Stories, Quotes, and Anecdotes from More Than 30 Years of Preaching and Public Speaking. Chicago, IL: Moody Publishers, 2009.

True Discipleship Companion Guide: The Art of Following Jesus
Koessler, John. True Discipleship Companion Guide: The Art of Following Jesus. Chicago, IL: Moody Publishers, 2003.

*True Discipleship: The Art of Following Jesus
Koessler, John. True Discipleship: The Art of Following Jesus. Chicago, IL: Moody Publishers, 2003.

The Ultimate Priority
MacArthur, John, Jr. The Ultimate Priority: John MacArthur, Jr. on Worship. electronic ed. Chicago: Moody Press, 1998.

Unmapped Darkness: Finding God's Path Through Suffering
Finch, Thomas. Unmapped Darkness: Finding God's Path Through Suffering. Chicago, IL: Moody Publishers, 2006.

The Vanishing Power of Death: Conquering Your Greatest Fear
Lutzer, Erwin. The Vanishing Power of Death: Conquering Your Greatest Fear. Chicago, IL: Moody Publishers, 2005.

Walk with Me: Pilgrim's Progress for Married Couples
Wald, Annie. Walk With Me: Pilgrim's Progress for Married Couples. Chicago, IL: Moody Publishers, 2012.

What You Should Know about Social Responsibility
Ryrie, Charles Caldwell. What You Should Know About Social Responsibility. Current christian issues. Chicago, IL: Moody Press, 1982.

Why Holiness Matters: We’ve Lost Our Way—But We Can Find It Again
Braun, Tyler. Why Holiness Matters: We’ve Lost Our Way—but We Can Find It Again. Chicago, IL: Moody Publishers, 2012.

*The Wycliffe Bible Commentary: New Testament
The Wycliffe Bible Commentary: New Testament. Edited by Charles F. Pfeiffer and Everett Falconer Harrison. Chicago: Moody Press, 1962.

*The Wycliffe Bible Commentary: Old Testament
Pfeiffer, Charles F. The Wycliffe Bible Commentary: Old Testament. Chicago: Moody Press, 1962.

Y’shua: The Jewish Way to Say Jesus
Rosen, Moishe. Y’shua: The Jewish Way to Say Jesus. Chicago, IL: Moody Publishers, 1982.

Most of these bundles include several publishers, so these may be in a different catagory when and if Moody pulls the pin

YES!!! Thank you Mr. Nate and Logos! I will be getting a refund on the difference for my Theological Wordbook of the Old Testament.

Gotta love a good sales person and a good company behind him.  I hope he gets a raise soon!

DAL

David Carter said:

Actually Matthew none of these were featured in March Madness, so they are unfortunately not available at a discount.

 You are correct on the first three. The Fulfilled Family is part of Round 3 and is priced $8.99  I apologize for confusing the other three with the March Madness Sale. I had the three in my cart along with other Moody titles for purchase with March Madness titles. I forgot not all were part of the sale. Sorry.

Kent Hendricks said:

I’m sorry my original post was vague. In an effort to communicate better with our customers, we wanted to make sure to get a message up before pulling all Moody content from our website.

Now we have additional information on the situation. Our contract with Moody is expiring, and unfortunately we have not been able to agree on new terms. So we will no longer be able to sell Moody content.

We don’t have a firm date yet on when Moody titles will be pulled. We’ll try to give you advanced warning if we can.

Thank you, Kent. Do you know yet whether this applies to Vyrso books too, or is that a separate contract (with, presumably, better terms from Moody's perspective)? I know Logos doesn't get much for Vyrso books so it would be hard to imagine negotiating an even better deal for Moody on those. I guess Moody no longer sees the benefit of the added value that Logos brings to Logos edition books. That's really a shame.

Josh said:

NB.Mick said:

Probably 

Moody Publishers Customer Serice
820 N. LaSalle Blvd.
Chicago, IL 60610
Phone: 800-678-8812
Phone: 312-329-2101
Fax: 800-678-3329
Fax: 312-329-2144
Email: mpcustomerservice@moody.edu

( from http://www.moodypublishers.com/pub_main.aspx?id=41801 )

I just sent Moody an e-mail. It was nice. I was just making sure they know that many costumers (and future costumers!) want Moody titles on Logos.

I suggest everyone do this. It takes one minute.

Done; thanks for posting their address.  Made it easy!

Wow...this whole thread is a disappointment. Not because Moody is leaving the building...far as I'm concerned, I hope the doors does hit them on the way out. I just don't get the fawning over them...when they are gouging and disrespecting every one of us as Logos customers.

"What's that you say? You're too good to sell your products to me anymore? Hmmmm...well, in that case, let me hyper-extend and give you my kids' lunch money for the rest of the month...and all of next month, too." The Bible says if someone strikes you on one cheek, show them the other...not turn around and write them a big, fat check!

I for one...and I am apparently the ONLY one...won't be buying anything from Moody ever again...PERIOD. Unless they resign with Logos, that is.

As if I don't already have more than I can ever read and five times as much I still would like from dozens of publishers that aren't Moody.

Moody's gone??

Big Deal. I don't think there is a single title from Moody that I own that wasn't part of Portfolio. In other words, I don't have a single Moody title that I purposefully purchased...and I've got over 6500 titles in my library. I've always found them to be a lackluster publisher.

What Logos customers ought to be doing to returning all of their Moody titles for a refund.

David, 

Let's be fair. You don't know anything at all about the negotiation that went on between Moody Press and Logos. It could very well have been Logos that demanded a larger percentage of the profits (we do not know). What we do know is that 100% of all profits that Moody Press makes goes towards helping provide free tuition for all students attending the Moody Bible Institute in Chicago. That's 100%. So please calm down since you do not know all the facts. Also if you do not like the books that Moody Press published why so upset?

There doesn't really seem to be that much published by Moody that is of interest in any case so I don't know what the hubbub is all about.

"Familiarity with Logos Bible Software 4.0 or higher and a willingness to incorporate it into coursework"

All this means to me is that Moody recognizes the excellence of Logos Bible Software. Moody is not claiming to have an exclusive corner on the best Logos resources. 

Another consideration is it is possible Moody wants to require the purchase of Logos so the students at Moody can qualify for the greatest Academic discount available. That would be an act of kindness not irony.

This is a slight loss with losing the Moody books... I suspect that by now most people have gotten what they wanted from Moody...I wonder though if you would still be able to purchase the Libronix MacArthur CD and it would still upload to Logos after the agreement ends. Any thoughts? My two pence.

Peace,
ChelseaFC

Erwin!     Peace to you!          Thank you so very kindly for your post to this thread!

                      I really appreciate it!     Every time I speculate about something, I end up being "wrong" anyway!           *smile*

As a Lutheran to whom Luther's Small Catechism means a lot ....                    the 8th commandment with Luther's Meaning (the way we count the 10 commandments -- different than in some denominations)      means a lot to me also  ....

something negative   .....      something positive   .....

The Eighth Commandment

You shall not give false testimony against your neighbour.

What does this mean? We should fear and love God so that we do not tell lies about our

neighbour, betray him, slander him, or hurt his reputation, but defend him, speak well of him,

and explain everything in the kindest way.

When I was young, many moons ago, the translation for “explain everything in the kindest way” was “to put the best construction on everything”!            *smile*

      You, Erwin, have done just that!       *smile*

I almost posted something to this thread yesterday that I ended up deleting...I wish now I had hit post. Is Bob human? Sure...and so he must be fallible, right? Suspect, maybe?

Maybe.

But, you see...Bob has a pretty well-established record of not being a slavish hound for obscene profits and not taking advantage of his customers. CP, for instance. Prepubs, for instance. The monthly Free Book, for instance. A very liberal return policy, for instance. Free FSB, for instance. Do those things help Logos? Sure, obviously...but only because being straight with customers is good business. Is it possible that Bob is trying to turn the screws on Moody? I suppose, if he hit his head getting out of the shower and had one of those bizarre personality changes you occasionally read about...you know, those...very...extremely...rare...occurrences. But I doubt that. For one thing, I seriously doubt Bob thinks he's big enough to suddenly become the neighborhood bully...and since that tactic would definitely not be good for business, I strongly doubt that is the case here.

Nevertheless, Logos is clearly establishing itself as the dominant Bible software company based on its entire stable of offerings. Moody is clearly not going to benefit from distancing itself from Logos. So why do it? I'm sure there is a reason, and no, I don't know what it is exactly. But I think one thing is pretty much perfectly clear--it's a bad outcome...one which isn't a result of unfortunate alignment of the stars but a decision rendered. Moody pocketed some of my money because of the configuration of the Portfolio package Logos offers, money they never would have extracted from me otherwise. How is that bad for them?

David Paul said:

Milford Charles Murray said:

The Eighth Commandment

You shall not give false testimony against your neighbour.

What does this mean? We should fear and love God so that we do not tell lies about our

neighbour, betray him, slander him, or hurt his reputation, but defend him, speak well of him,

and explain everything in the kindest way.

...we are commanded to forsake rendering final judgment.

 

I wouldnt dream of rendering final judgment, but I know he'll roast in brimstone forever.  [;)]