Plato & Aristotle in Loeb

Did anyone get a chance to pick up some of the Daitz resources?  They are really well done.  [:)]

Butters said:

Mike Grigoni said:

although I believe both were a case in which not all of the volumes are in the public domain.

Hi Mike, any answer on this?  

I believe they are; I'll repost this in case it got lost:  

[quote] Butters wrote this.... [:)] 

Okay, so as far as Plato and Aristotle and public Domain:  

First, allow me to introduce to you a wonderful resource:  http://www.edonnelly.com/google.html

And within this resource, most conveniently, we find the old Loebs listed here:  http://www.edonnelly.com/loebs.html

If we look at, say, The Republic, we find this:  http://archive.org/details/republicshorey01platuoft

As far as I know, all of the old Loebs have been replaced - most of mine (and I have many, many Loebs) all date from the 1990s, I believe.  I have an old catalog of Loeb publications; the catalog is dated 1979, and most of the volumes in the catalog predate WWI, and certainly WWII.  

So I should think that pretty much every Aristotle and Plato volume of the early Loebs are now in the PD.  

~Butters 

Dean053 said:

What is restored pronunciation? I'm assuming it differs from Erasmian? I've heard of restored Koine (e.g. Randall Buth), but not for Homer.

Hi Dean053!  

The restored pronunciation is based on Vox Graeca: The Pronunciation of Classical Greek and the work of WB Stanford and others.  

Of course, there are no absolutes here, as you prolly well know; however, the evidence for the use of something like the "restored" in the context of Classical Greek, particularly in 5th century Athens, seems quite strong; it is, however, also used in the context of Homer in addition to Attic Greek.  I am not sure if it is applied to Koine - I kind of doubt it is, but that's just an educated guess, as I haven't yet studied Koine.  And of course, it's just an approximation and no doubt there will be further developments.  

Yes it differs from both the so-called Byzantine and the Erasmian in that it employs the most recent scholarship regarding vowel values; it uses pitch accent; and syllabic rather than accentual in verse.  There are other differences too.  

WARNING:  I forgot to tell people this; in the initial course (The Pronunciation and Reading of Ancient Greek) Daitz makes use of the "digamma," which was employed for some time by many scholars (pronounced like the English "w") to avoid hiatus or rhythmic irregularities which are otherwise inexplicable.  His use of this does not irretrievably mar the short course; and he drops the "digamma fetish" ([:D]) in short order in his following courses. 

I'd be glad to chat about all of this in more detail if you'd like. 

~Butters [:)]

Incidentally, for those interested, the two Homeric Dictionaries worth having are: 

1. Cunliffe's A Lexicon of the Homeric Dialect (still under copywrite)
2. Autenrieth's Homeric Lexicon (public domain)

~Butters [:)]

Mike Grigoni said:

We're planning on listing Autenrieth's Homeric Dictionary on community pricing next week.

Pharr's Homeric Greek: A Book for Beginners was listed this afternoon. Please bid!

Hah!  Well, that is fantastic Mike!  Very glad to hear all that.

Shall place bid immediately.   

Please let us know about Plato & Aristotle whenever - if ever - you have any info!  

Cheers!

~Butters [:)]

I wrote this elsewhere to the question of why Plato's Dialogues are important; particularly to Christians.  I thought I'd put it up here for anyone who is interested: 

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Plato's dialogues are immensely profound; and are highly useful for Christians and Catholics.

1. They teach people how to think and argue; how to ask questions and how to address them;

2. The Republic is primarily a work about ethics (most of what Plato wrote was really about ethics); about what man is, what his ends are, and in what the good life consists;

3. Plato (and Socrates) was concerned with refuting the Sophists - who were the epistemological and ethical relativists of the time; and for which there are very strong parallels in our contemporary world.

4. Socrates was a theological genius; and thereafter, Plato put forth a revolutionary idea, that of transcendent reality. Ever since Plato, the deepest division in the West - a war still being fought - is between those who believe there is only this here; and those who believe in a transcendent reality.

5. Socrates and Plato have so profoundly informed what we believe and think about so many things, that Whitehead wasn't exaggerating much to say that every philosopher since is really a mere footnote.

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I could go on and on; and could easily say as much if not more for Aristotle.  

~Butters [:)]

George Somsel said:

Butters said:

Truly wonderful Mike.  Thank you.  Bid placed.  

~Butters 

What ! You're late to the party, Butters. I would have thought you were already in.

I'm usually late to parties but also the last to leave. [:D]  Now that Plato's preternaturally inquisitive self has just arrived, I'll prolly stay until sunrise.    

~Butters [:)]