When is Logos 6 coming out?
I hope that it is this year and I hope that Logos will include ALL of the Classic Commentaries that have come out.
I hope that Logos will include ALL of the Classic Commentaries that have come out.
I'm just curious — why would you be asking about Logos 6 when Logos 5 is not really out for that long. Have you heard something substantial, from a reliable source, that points to a new version, or is it just a case of 'the grass is greener on the other side'.
When is Logos 6 coming out? I'm just curious — why would you be asking about Logos 6 when Logos 5 is not really out for that long. Have you heard something substantial, from a reliable source, that points to a new version, or is it just a case of 'the grass is greener on the other side'.
They are continuing to add new features. They're only just preparing Logos 5.1 (it's still in beta) which will have, among many improvements:
Check out some of the other enhancements in the beta release notes: http://wiki.logos.com/Logos_5_Beta_Release_Notes
I would suspect there will be a 5.1a, 5.1b, etc. and then a 5.2 and so on, long before they change the number to Logos 6.
They've been slowly working on implementing sync v2 which will allow them to add the ability to share personal books among our devices, which we've been wanting for a while. I'm betting that feature will be implemented in the next version after 5.1 (whether that's called 5.1a or 5.2).
A Google search for "logos 6" site:community.logos.com shows that some people have been speculating or wishing for a "Logos 6" already in the past, but really it is immaterial what the next big version is called. It could be that 5.2 will give us enough major new features to keep us happy for quite a while. And if you're not in the beta program, hold on until 5.1 ships and you might also be pleasantly surprised.
I think that most users would sing a common refrain:
Get rid of the bugs first.
I'm guessing that Logos 6 will not be along until about November 2015 – based on the time between Logos 4 (2009) and Logos 5 (2012).
As others have noted, there are still bugs to be ironed out and tweaks and improvements to be made.
Of course, library collections may change, as they have done in the past, and have items both added and subtracted, according to contracts with publishers.
Personally, I give thanks for the general stability, flexibility and usefulness of Logos 5 and its many features.
Thanks to all the teams at Logos! Keep up the good work, guys. Greatly appreciated.
As the 90s song goes: "Things can only get better …"
Every blessing
Alan
Logos 5 was the first time I've purchased a Logos product so I was just curious as to Logos' release schedule as some software companies release new versions on a yearly basis. I'm thankful for Logos 5 and I don't even know what the grass on the other side even looks like to desire it.
Logos's philosophy is "release early; release often." They don't want to keep people waiting for a whole year between new releases so they come out with new versions (with minor version number increments) every few months.
Logos 5 was the first time I've purchased a Logos product so I was just curious as to Logos' release schedule
Logos don't have a public schedule but do have an aim for each release e.g. 6 weeks of public testing (beta), with another beta release after 1 to 2 weeks. See http://wiki.logos.com/Logos_4_Beta_Release_Notes and http://wiki.logos.com/Logos_5_Beta_Release_Notes (5.1 is still in beta).
My requests as layperson for L5.1
1. Please make the search feature to be easier so I don't have to learn the tricks & stuffs. (I didn't know i had to learn it from L4 features because L5 documentation is really poor)
2. sync highlights between PC & biblia/faithlife bible.
3. more powerful printing & copy paste option.
4.ability to flip the book pages "side way" rather than scrolling up and down when reading.
5. better output results in Passage Guide, Sermon Starter, Exegetical & Topic guide.
6. my extra 4000 other books needs to be utilized somehow. So many book I have never open or care. Please make us care with those books (if you know what I mean).
Yeah, those would be great
Thanks for the info Rosie and Dave!
They are continuing to add new features. They're only just preparing Logos 5.1 (it's still in beta) which will have, among many improvements: a new rich text editor a new citation engine "Collections" section in resource info pane which shows you which of your collections that resource is included in ability to edit Series metadata added Image search panel new Reverse Interlinear ribbon which now supports dragging left/right with the mouse
To paraphrase a quote from the Watergate era "There's a cancer growing on Logos."
Here's a few things I would like in Logos 6 or Logos 5.1.
1. The ability to right click on any word on screen and be told what font is being used.
2. Can we have some colours back?
3. What about a coloured scroll bar?
4. The ability to do some editing within the PRINT screen eg spacing, start a new page.
5. The ability to print several articles in the ONE PRINT screen
5 will do for now.
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Patrick I think this is a legitimate question. I had a friend that bought Logos 4 and several weeks later Logos 5 came out and my friend still had to pay an upgrade fee to upgrade to Logos 5. I communicated with two different people at Logos trying to resolve the issue because I believe he should have been given a free core upgrade. One of the people I communicated with gave no solution and the other said they would check into it and I have not heard back from them and it has been over six months. So yes, it is a legitimate question because I do not want anyone else to have to pay extra money for an upgrade to something they just bought! I was in the computer business for 16.5 years and have observed how software companies handle their upgrades. I believe most of them if a user had just purchased their software and then a new version immediately comes out offer a free upgrade. This is what I have observed. I'm not saying that Logos should give them the portfolio edition, just the core upgrade (engine and new feature). Hopefully this will not happen to anyone else.
Blessings,
James
p.s.
Interesting after hitting the "Reply" button I got an email from Logos stating:
"Note: Replying to this email will NOT post to the forums. Please return to forums to respond back to this post."
I therefore am now trying with the "Quick Reply" button hoping this reply button will work. Confusing huh. I know. I thought the reply button would work also.
Patrick I think this is a legitimate question. I had a friend that bought Logos 4 and several weeks later Logos 5 came out and my friend still had to pay an upgrade fee to upgrade to Logos 5. I communicated with two different people at Logos trying to resolve the issue because I believe he should have been given a free core upgrade. One of the people I communicated with gave no solution and the other said they would check into it and I have not heard back from them and it has been over six months. So yes, it is a legitimate question because I do not want anyone else to have to pay extra money for an upgrade to something they just bought! I was in the computer business for 16.5 years and have observed how software companies handle their upgrades. I believe most of them if a user had just purchased their software and then a new version immediately comes out offer a free upgrade. This is what I have observed. I'm not saying that Logos should give them the portfolio edition, just the core upgrade (engine and new feature). Hopefully this will not happen to anyone else. Blessings, James p.s. Interesting after hitting the "Reply" button I got an email from Logos stating: "Note: Replying to this email will NOT post to the forums. Please return to forums to respond back to this post." I therefore am now trying with the "Quick Reply" button hoping this reply button will work. Confusing huh. I know. I thought the reply button would work also.
George you missed the point. It's that he just bought Logos 4 and then Logos 5 came out right after that. The exact situation is that if he would have waited several weeks instead of purchasing Logos 4 then bought Logos 5 he would not have had to pay any fee for the features of Logos 5.
Here is an example. I have and used Adobe Premiere. I upgraded to version 5.5. Adobe said if version 5.5 was purchased within a certain time frame I would get a free upgrade to Premiere 6. I believe that time frame was more than the time frame between when my friend bought Logos 4 and when Logos 5 came out. There my friend could have saved money but just purchasing Logos 5 when it came out. His situation shows that if he had purchased Logos 4 a week before before version 5 came out he would still have had to pay a cross grade fee when he could have saved the money he spent on version 4 and applied it to version 5. I fine fine for paying for upgrades. But not when one should not have to. It is a marketing problem because one does not know when the next version of Logos is going to come out. If you buy version 5 one day before Logos 6 comes out and have to pay a cross grade fee, one would feel jilted and justifiably so. Your comment about quail and manna is aggressive and does not seem out of love. I am just making a point about users not being frustrated about a particular situation.
George you missed the point. It's that he just bought Logos 4 and then Logos 5 came out right after that. The exact situation is that if he would have waited several weeks instead of purchasing Logos 4 then bought Logos 5 he would not have had to pay any fee for the features of Logos 5. Here is an example. I have and used Adobe Premiere. I upgraded to version 5.5. Adobe said if version 5.5 was purchased within a certain time frame I would get a free upgrade to Premiere 6. I believe that time frame was more than the time frame between when my friend bought Logos 4 and when Logos 5 came out. There my friend could have saved money but just purchasing Logos 5 when it came out. His situation shows that if he had purchased Logos 4 a week before before version 5 came out he would still have had to pay a cross grade fee when he could have saved the money he spent on version 4 and applied it to version 5. I fine fine for paying for upgrades. But not when one should not have to. It is a marketing problem because one does not know when the next version of Logos is going to come out. If you buy version 5 one day before Logos 6 comes out and have to pay a cross grade fee, one would feel jilted and justifiably so. Your comment about quail and manna is aggressive and does not seem out of love. I am just making a point about users not being frustrated about a particular situation. James
You words are, "No, YOU missed the point. He didn't BUY L4."
So I see you are stating that he did not buy Logos 4.
He had never purchased a Logos product before he had version 4. He did say that he bought Logos 4.
Why would you say that, "He didn't BUY L4.", when he did?
I do not think you are understanding what I am saying in my point George.
George the Money he spent on his purchase of version 4 could have gone to the purchase of version 5 instead.
I'm sorry you think it's a welfare situation because that's not what I'm talking about. In fact I said I'm fine with paying for upgrades.
Although many do have a entitlement attitude, your comment applying entitlement to me is unwarranted and you need to check your heart.
I'm terminating this because I believe it is becoming unfruitful. You having the last word is fine with me. I just hope you keep further comments about the topic and not attack the person.
In Christ,
You words are, "No, YOU missed the point. He didn't BUY L4." So I see you are stating that he did not buy Logos 4. He had never purchased a Logos product before he had version 4. He did say that he bought Logos 4. Why would you say that, "He didn't BUY L4.", when he did? I do not think you are understanding what I am saying in my point George. George the Money he spent on his purchase of version 4 could have gone to the purchase of version 5 instead. I'm sorry you think it's a welfare situation because that's not what I'm talking about. In fact I said I'm fine with paying for upgrades. Although many do have a entitlement attitude, your comment applying entitlement to me is unwarranted and you need to check your heart. I'm terminating this because I believe it is becoming unfruitful. You having the last word is fine with me. I just hope you keep further comments about the topic and not attack the person. In Christ, James
The Acme Torch Company has a policy that if you purchase batteries you receive a free flashlight (torch for our Brit friends). The flashlight only works with Acme batteries and Acme batteries don't fit other flashlights. They also have a policy that they will give the original purchaser a free flashlight whenever they upgrade the flashlight. The last upgrade had a strap which enabled the user to hang the flashlight from his wrist (or elsewhere). There was also a new lens for the flashlight which increased the intensity of the light, but that cost extra (even if you bought new batteries and received the new model flashlight). Do you think the purchaser of the batteries with the old flashlight is entitled to the lens free as well as the new flashlight?
Perhaps it would be worthwhile to consider that we are talking about a new customer, who does not likely understand that the resources are separate from the software, who is used to the way that other software companies function, and who has just spent what is likely the most money he has ever spent on Bible software. Before we accuse people of being welfare customers, perhaps we should consider that he just invested hundreds, if not thousands of dollars, in something that has just become yesterday's latest and greatest. The buyer probably needs to be lovingly educated and shown grace rather than being confronted.
It would also be useful to consider that Logos has a generous refund policy that covers these types of situations. I find it hard to believe that Logos would knowingly shortchange a new and, therefore, a likely long-term buyer. After having a couple of email exchanges with Bob, I think that he would likely make accommodations for customers who believed they were shortchanged by an (admittedly) unclear transition from Logos 4 to Logos 5.
Seems to me that we need to be more long-suffering and kind.
The normal time frame is always within 30 days: call in the last minute to customer service (or to sales if You wish to return the entire order), or email in time so that they can respond before the end of the day. Quickest way to get response is to email directly to a representative that You know works full time. After that period, if wanting to change to a different product, contact sales.Logos never extends the grace period beyond 6 months - even that is a stretch.Mostly only minor delays beyond 30 days are tolerated as things would quickly get out of hand if everyone started to return as much as possible:
I find it hard to believe that Logos would knowingly shortchange a new and, therefore, a likely long-term buyer. After having a couple of email exchanges with Bob, I think that he would likely make accommodations for customers who believed they were shortchanged by an (admittedly) unclear transition from Logos 4 to Logos 5.
The normal time frame is always within 30 days: call in the last minute to customer service (or to sales if You wish to return the entire order), or email in time so that they can respond before the end of the day. Quickest way to get response is to email directly to a representative that You know works full time. After that period, if wanting to change to a different product, contact sales.Logos never extends the grace period beyond 6 months - even that is a stretch.Mostly only minor delays beyond 30 days are tolerated as things would quickly get out of hand if everyone started to return as much as possible:I find it hard to believe that Logos would knowingly shortchange a new and, therefore, a likely long-term buyer. After having a couple of email exchanges with Bob, I think that he would likely make accommodations for customers who believed they were shortchanged by an (admittedly) unclear transition from Logos 4 to Logos 5.
Yes, that is exactly my point. 30 days is fairly generous for a return policy. However, even the return policy is occasionally stretched in an effort to be generous to customers who are caught in a bad situation. Plus, you would be hard pressed to find another company extending grace to 6 months after purchase. The fact that we can even talk about anything near 6 months is amazing customer service.
I had a friend that bought Logos 4 and several weeks later Logos 5 came out and my friend still had to pay an upgrade fee to upgrade to Logos 5.
At that time the only way to get the Logos 5 software was to pay for a Logos 5 base package or a 'minimal' crossgrade. But it was also known/publicised that you could download the software for FREE after a period of time. So there was a choice to wait a little longer and get it for nothing or purchase something to get it now.
A similar situation exists when getting a new computer with Windows OS just before a new version of Windows is released i.e. you have to pay a 'minimal' fee to upgrade to the new OS, or just wait until it was released.
LOGOS 6 is out.
It's out and for Logos users, it's very expensive to get the cross grade!
This is true. BUT, you have to remember you will only pay for what you do NOT already have. If you have had even Bronze or Silver Logos 5, it might not be as expensive as you see listed. Remember, those are the prices for those who don't have anything (or barely any of those resources). That is why you call Logos and find out what your options are. You just might be surprised.
Since I bought Logos 4 Scholars, later upgraded to Gold, then got Logos 5 Silver AND and the Minimal Cross grade, AND I have been buying other resources, my price won't be as high it looks like. I looked at their compare list and realized I have many of the sources in the cross grades (except for all of the new features and datasets, of course). So, when Logos.com is back up and running (or when I talk to someone from Logos) I will then be able to see what I will ACTUALLY pay. Ed, if you have been adding resources little by little to Logos, your cost could be lower than you are expecting.
