When is Logos 6 coming out?
I hope that it is this year and I hope that Logos will include ALL of the Classic Commentaries that have come out.
I hope that Logos will include ALL of the Classic Commentaries that have come out.
I'm just curious — why would you be asking about Logos 6 when Logos 5 is not really out for that long. Have you heard something substantial, from a reliable source, that points to a new version, or is it just a case of 'the grass is greener on the other side'.
When is Logos 6 coming out? I'm just curious — why would you be asking about Logos 6 when Logos 5 is not really out for that long. Have you heard something substantial, from a reliable source, that points to a new version, or is it just a case of 'the grass is greener on the other side'.
They are continuing to add new features. They're only just preparing Logos 5.1 (it's still in beta) which will have, among many improvements:
Check out some of the other enhancements in the beta release notes: http://wiki.logos.com/Logos_5_Beta_Release_Notes
I would suspect there will be a 5.1a, 5.1b, etc. and then a 5.2 and so on, long before they change the number to Logos 6.
They've been slowly working on implementing sync v2 which will allow them to add the ability to share personal books among our devices, which we've been wanting for a while. I'm betting that feature will be implemented in the next version after 5.1 (whether that's called 5.1a or 5.2).
A Google search for "logos 6" site:community.logos.com shows that some people have been speculating or wishing for a "Logos 6" already in the past, but really it is immaterial what the next big version is called. It could be that 5.2 will give us enough major new features to keep us happy for quite a while. And if you're not in the beta program, hold on until 5.1 ships and you might also be pleasantly surprised.
I think that most users would sing a common refrain:
Get rid of the bugs first.
I'm guessing that Logos 6 will not be along until about November 2015 – based on the time between Logos 4 (2009) and Logos 5 (2012).
As others have noted, there are still bugs to be ironed out and tweaks and improvements to be made.
Of course, library collections may change, as they have done in the past, and have items both added and subtracted, according to contracts with publishers.
Personally, I give thanks for the general stability, flexibility and usefulness of Logos 5 and its many features.
Thanks to all the teams at Logos! Keep up the good work, guys. Greatly appreciated.
As the 90s song goes: "Things can only get better …"
Every blessing
Alan
Logos 5 was the first time I've purchased a Logos product so I was just curious as to Logos' release schedule as some software companies release new versions on a yearly basis. I'm thankful for Logos 5 and I don't even know what the grass on the other side even looks like to desire it.
Logos's philosophy is "release early; release often." They don't want to keep people waiting for a whole year between new releases so they come out with new versions (with minor version number increments) every few months.
Logos 5 was the first time I've purchased a Logos product so I was just curious as to Logos' release schedule
Logos don't have a public schedule but do have an aim for each release e.g. 6 weeks of public testing (beta), with another beta release after 1 to 2 weeks. See http://wiki.logos.com/Logos_4_Beta_Release_Notes and http://wiki.logos.com/Logos_5_Beta_Release_Notes (5.1 is still in beta).
My requests as layperson for L5.1
1. Please make the search feature to be easier so I don't have to learn the tricks & stuffs. (I didn't know i had to learn it from L4 features because L5 documentation is really poor)
2. sync highlights between PC & biblia/faithlife bible.
3. more powerful printing & copy paste option.
4.ability to flip the book pages "side way" rather than scrolling up and down when reading.
5. better output results in Passage Guide, Sermon Starter, Exegetical & Topic guide.
6. my extra 4000 other books needs to be utilized somehow. So many book I have never open or care. Please make us care with those books (if you know what I mean).
Yeah, those would be great
My requests as layperson for L5.1 1. Please make the search feature to be easier so I don't have to learn the tricks & stuffs. (I didn't know i had to learn it from L4 features because L5 documentation is really poor)
You know, I presume, that as of L5, they've added the cool new Search Helps that comes up when you open the search panel. It pretty much shows you how to construct any kind of search you might want to do:
I believe they are working on that. Since 5.1 is already in a late beta stage now, I'd guess we won't see this until the next version (5.1a or 5.2?)
Could you give some specifics of what you'd like to be able to do that you can't yet?
You can do that when you're in "paged view" which you get into by selecting a column setting other than "None" on a resource's panel menu:
When you're in paged view (also known as "column view" even if there's only one column), you see left/right turn-the-page icons on the lower right:
Again, could you give some idea of what you're envisioning here?
Hmm, I don't have any idea what you mean. How would Logos interpret your request, I wonder? This is a great question to ask on the forums, though. Many of us have been asking the question and helping each other to make better use of the thousands of books in our library that we hardly even know we have. Making Collections is a big start, and Tagging our books. I'm sure other people will have other suggestions.
Thanks for the info Rosie and Dave!
1. I guess what I'm asking is kinda stupid... I was hoping the same type algorithm like Google search in Logos. Like...it should give most search word, most search passage, most search topic, etc. all by Logos users inputs, not just Logos system at the drop down.
2. ok
3. we need "select all" or "ctrl A" functionality button type feature. Because so far we could only "copy & drag down".
why am I asking this? Because at where I work, I could just stare at monitor at biblia/faithlife but I need to copy-paste it to Microsoft Office so I could "look" like I'm actually reading/studying not just browsing the internet. (yes, academic reading is allowed at my work, but when its on internet.. it kinda look... how do i say it.. a little bit vague) So, when I could copy-paste-all on Microsoft Office ... I could read it peacefully.
Also, sometimes I feel like I want to print Vyrso books so I can read at work (usually less than 200pages)... but it is a hassle to print without the print-all pages feature.
4. thank you. I didn't know that.
5 & 6. Maybe those other 4000 extra resources we have can be included by Logos giving hints on which books that most people open when do our searches. (kinda like prioritize but from other people suggestions)
They are continuing to add new features. They're only just preparing Logos 5.1 (it's still in beta) which will have, among many improvements: a new rich text editor a new citation engine "Collections" section in resource info pane which shows you which of your collections that resource is included in ability to edit Series metadata added Image search panel new Reverse Interlinear ribbon which now supports dragging left/right with the mouse
To paraphrase a quote from the Watergate era "There's a cancer growing on Logos."
Here's a few things I would like in Logos 6 or Logos 5.1.
1. The ability to right click on any word on screen and be told what font is being used.
2. Can we have some colours back?
3. What about a coloured scroll bar?
4. The ability to do some editing within the PRINT screen eg spacing, start a new page.
5. The ability to print several articles in the ONE PRINT screen
5 will do for now.
I don't have any wishes for the software. I just want 5.1 to be released or the beta-channel (which I've never subscribed to) release adequate within no later than two weeks from now.
No matter if the dynamic pricing model is kept, if they are not doing substantial changes to base-packages, way more than ever before, I won't be interested in them. I'm not interested in any minimal crossgrades and am soon going to return my Silver upgrade. (I have Bronze and OLL since before, and am thinking of what to do with Verbum - deciding soon).
I just want 5.1 to be released or the beta-channel (which I've never subscribed to) release adequate within no later than two weeks from now.
I don't think that will happen… but you could always download the beta (normal warnings apply). Beta 9 was released recently, and RC1 has been referenced recently.
1. I guess what I'm asking is kinda stupid...
I wouldn't say so — wanting to get the most/best from a comprehensive library of resources such as in Logos 5 is perfectly reasonable.
I was hoping the same type algorithm like Google search in Logos. Like...it should give most search word, most search passage, most search topic, etc.
The search mechanisms & constructs available in Logos are quite good (as Rosie points out) but they seem to be 'unintelligent' as in they just return hits for indexed occurrences of words, groups of words etc. There does not seem to be an algorithm behind the query which does analysis. But to be fair to Logos one would have to ask how could an algorithm be (easily) written for this. I usually use 'Search in' and restrict to specific 'Collections' to help make queries more directed.
Regarding "most search word, most search passage" etc. that would mean that a query on your specific desktop copy of Logos would have to tap into (live) a huge, constantly changing, database of query history in the (Logos) cloud. Neither of which situations exist at the moment because you are querying a local database, and not all user queries go up to Logos. With Google you are on a website page which has behind it all the information Google has gathered (by means fair and foul) from persons. And I would not hold Google up as a shining example to emulate — they are hell bent on abrogating individuals' privacy for their own commercial gain.
all by Logos users inputs [...] 5 & 6. Maybe those other 4000 extra resources we have can be included by Logos giving hints on which books that most people open when do our searches. (kinda like prioritize but from other people suggestions)
all by Logos users inputs
[...]
That presupposes that [all] Logos users agree for Logos to have that personal information. Logos cannot assume that personal usage information of the Logos application by Logos users is theirs by right for the taking. It could be said that Logos already oversteps the bounds in European law of what is acceptable regarding privacy, something which I foresee will get them in hot water. For example, the 'Terms and Conditions' (T&C) of the Logos iPad application has these words "Logos reserves the right to anonymously track and report users' activity inside of the Application..." they may say they have the right, but a court of law may disagree with them. Either way I don't like the attitude, and even if a (American) jurisdiction says they have the legal right I don't believe they have the moral right. And I don't like that the 'Terms and Conditions' screen in the Logos iPad app goes to a dynamic web page — which means that Logos could conceivably change the T&C whenever they want — tsk tsk, very bad form.
Hopefully Logos does not have quite the same (recently exposed) attitude as the American government with respect to individuals' privacy. As regards either party, the argument "we need the information for the benefit of our [citizens & country|users & company]" smacks of expediency to me.
I just want 5.1 to be released or the beta-channel (which I've never subscribed to) release adequate within no later than two weeks from now. I don't think that will happen… but you could always download the beta (normal warnings apply). Beta 9 was released recently, and RC1 has been referenced recently.
Wiki has Logos 5.1 release notes => http://wiki.logos.com/Logos_5.1 so anticipating 5.1 release candidate 1 soon, perhaps in a few days.
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L6 wish list?1. Multi-threaded programming to make more efficient use of my processor. They should be able to get a 30% +/- boost (well I should on my chip). Most everyone has more than one core now and so would see some benefit from this.
2. I would like a more intuitive tagging system, something like collections. OR make collection categories show up like tags... Either way would suit me fine. 3. I desperately want to be able to link Video and audio files in PBB's. As I study a topic I find mp3/4's of sermons that apply. I save the files... Would love to be able to have a specific type of PBB for these types of things, and be able to enter in some meta data (Sermon Title, Preacher, Church, Denominational affiliation, Scripture passage, and key words for the topic. PLUS I have downloaded terabytes of .mov files of online classes offered by my seminary. Having them in Logos (even if its just a link that launches my systems default application for the file type being called) would be fantastic. This list is not a prioritized list. #3 is probably my most wanted feature, followed by 1, then 2.
I heard a rumor a few months back that when Windows 9 releases it will only run on and support 64 bits. No more x86 software... Who knows if its true... Hopefully Logos is x64.
L6 wish list?1. Multi-threaded programming to make more efficient use of my processor.
[Y] Add to this some kind of aggressive memory use / memory caching policy, and there should be a very noticeable increase in speed.
Multi-threaded programming to make more efficient use of my processor.
Logos has been multi-threaded at least since L4.
Sorry multipost
Patrick I think this is a legitimate question. I had a friend that bought Logos 4 and several weeks later Logos 5 came out and my friend still had to pay an upgrade fee to upgrade to Logos 5. I communicated with two different people at Logos trying to resolve the issue because I believe he should have been given a free core upgrade. One of the people I communicated with gave no solution and the other said they would check into it and I have not heard back from them and it has been over six months. So yes, it is a legitimate question because I do not want anyone else to have to pay extra money for an upgrade to something they just bought! I was in the computer business for 16.5 years and have observed how software companies handle their upgrades. I believe most of them if a user had just purchased their software and then a new version immediately comes out offer a free upgrade. This is what I have observed. I'm not saying that Logos should give them the portfolio edition, just the core upgrade (engine and new feature). Hopefully this will not happen to anyone else.
Blessings,
James
p.s.
Interesting after hitting the "Reply" button I got an email from Logos stating:
"Note: Replying to this email will NOT post to the forums. Please return to forums to respond back to this post."
I therefore am now trying with the "Quick Reply" button hoping this reply button will work. Confusing huh. I know. I thought the reply button would work also.
Patrick I think this is a legitimate question. I had a friend that bought Logos 4 and several weeks later Logos 5 came out and my friend still had to pay an upgrade fee to upgrade to Logos 5. I communicated with two different people at Logos trying to resolve the issue because I believe he should have been given a free core upgrade. One of the people I communicated with gave no solution and the other said they would check into it and I have not heard back from them and it has been over six months. So yes, it is a legitimate question because I do not want anyone else to have to pay extra money for an upgrade to something they just bought! I was in the computer business for 16.5 years and have observed how software companies handle their upgrades. I believe most of them if a user had just purchased their software and then a new version immediately comes out offer a free upgrade. This is what I have observed. I'm not saying that Logos should give them the portfolio edition, just the core upgrade (engine and new feature). Hopefully this will not happen to anyone else. Blessings, James p.s. Interesting after hitting the "Reply" button I got an email from Logos stating: "Note: Replying to this email will NOT post to the forums. Please return to forums to respond back to this post." I therefore am now trying with the "Quick Reply" button hoping this reply button will work. Confusing huh. I know. I thought the reply button would work also.
Sorry again, duplicate post. Not intentional. I do not have a way to delete the post, just edit it. I am having issues with Firefox and am now using Chrome. Seems to be working better. At least for now. [:)]
George you missed the point. It's that he just bought Logos 4 and then Logos 5 came out right after that. The exact situation is that if he would have waited several weeks instead of purchasing Logos 4 then bought Logos 5 he would not have had to pay any fee for the features of Logos 5.
Here is an example. I have and used Adobe Premiere. I upgraded to version 5.5. Adobe said if version 5.5 was purchased within a certain time frame I would get a free upgrade to Premiere 6. I believe that time frame was more than the time frame between when my friend bought Logos 4 and when Logos 5 came out. There my friend could have saved money but just purchasing Logos 5 when it came out. His situation shows that if he had purchased Logos 4 a week before before version 5 came out he would still have had to pay a cross grade fee when he could have saved the money he spent on version 4 and applied it to version 5. I fine fine for paying for upgrades. But not when one should not have to. It is a marketing problem because one does not know when the next version of Logos is going to come out. If you buy version 5 one day before Logos 6 comes out and have to pay a cross grade fee, one would feel jilted and justifiably so. Your comment about quail and manna is aggressive and does not seem out of love. I am just making a point about users not being frustrated about a particular situation.
George you missed the point. It's that he just bought Logos 4 and then Logos 5 came out right after that. The exact situation is that if he would have waited several weeks instead of purchasing Logos 4 then bought Logos 5 he would not have had to pay any fee for the features of Logos 5. Here is an example. I have and used Adobe Premiere. I upgraded to version 5.5. Adobe said if version 5.5 was purchased within a certain time frame I would get a free upgrade to Premiere 6. I believe that time frame was more than the time frame between when my friend bought Logos 4 and when Logos 5 came out. There my friend could have saved money but just purchasing Logos 5 when it came out. His situation shows that if he had purchased Logos 4 a week before before version 5 came out he would still have had to pay a cross grade fee when he could have saved the money he spent on version 4 and applied it to version 5. I fine fine for paying for upgrades. But not when one should not have to. It is a marketing problem because one does not know when the next version of Logos is going to come out. If you buy version 5 one day before Logos 6 comes out and have to pay a cross grade fee, one would feel jilted and justifiably so. Your comment about quail and manna is aggressive and does not seem out of love. I am just making a point about users not being frustrated about a particular situation. James
You words are, "No, YOU missed the point. He didn't BUY L4."
So I see you are stating that he did not buy Logos 4.
He had never purchased a Logos product before he had version 4. He did say that he bought Logos 4.
Why would you say that, "He didn't BUY L4.", when he did?
I do not think you are understanding what I am saying in my point George.
George the Money he spent on his purchase of version 4 could have gone to the purchase of version 5 instead.
I'm sorry you think it's a welfare situation because that's not what I'm talking about. In fact I said I'm fine with paying for upgrades.
Although many do have a entitlement attitude, your comment applying entitlement to me is unwarranted and you need to check your heart.
I'm terminating this because I believe it is becoming unfruitful. You having the last word is fine with me. I just hope you keep further comments about the topic and not attack the person.
In Christ,
I think this discussion goes back to the Logos5 rollout where they had carefully mis-named just about everything possible.
The 'crossgrade' sounds like it's the software (and so Jim would likely be correct). But in actuality, the Logos5 crossgrade was a new package of original language functions that most people don't really need (or want). But in Logos4, a lot of the functions pre-existed in Libronix, so I'd assume that'd be 'software'.
So today, my 'package' is 'Crossgrade'. Of course, Logos4 crossgrade or Logos5 crossgrade? I was smiling as Dave was trying to explain that to a new user.
I'm really hoping Logos6 will include the ability to search the NRSV apocrypha! Maybe in the Logos6 crossgrade.
You words are, "No, YOU missed the point. He didn't BUY L4." So I see you are stating that he did not buy Logos 4. He had never purchased a Logos product before he had version 4. He did say that he bought Logos 4. Why would you say that, "He didn't BUY L4.", when he did? I do not think you are understanding what I am saying in my point George. George the Money he spent on his purchase of version 4 could have gone to the purchase of version 5 instead. I'm sorry you think it's a welfare situation because that's not what I'm talking about. In fact I said I'm fine with paying for upgrades. Although many do have a entitlement attitude, your comment applying entitlement to me is unwarranted and you need to check your heart. I'm terminating this because I believe it is becoming unfruitful. You having the last word is fine with me. I just hope you keep further comments about the topic and not attack the person. In Christ, James
The Acme Torch Company has a policy that if you purchase batteries you receive a free flashlight (torch for our Brit friends). The flashlight only works with Acme batteries and Acme batteries don't fit other flashlights. They also have a policy that they will give the original purchaser a free flashlight whenever they upgrade the flashlight. The last upgrade had a strap which enabled the user to hang the flashlight from his wrist (or elsewhere). There was also a new lens for the flashlight which increased the intensity of the light, but that cost extra (even if you bought new batteries and received the new model flashlight). Do you think the purchaser of the batteries with the old flashlight is entitled to the lens free as well as the new flashlight?
Perhaps it would be worthwhile to consider that we are talking about a new customer, who does not likely understand that the resources are separate from the software, who is used to the way that other software companies function, and who has just spent what is likely the most money he has ever spent on Bible software. Before we accuse people of being welfare customers, perhaps we should consider that he just invested hundreds, if not thousands of dollars, in something that has just become yesterday's latest and greatest. The buyer probably needs to be lovingly educated and shown grace rather than being confronted.
It would also be useful to consider that Logos has a generous refund policy that covers these types of situations. I find it hard to believe that Logos would knowingly shortchange a new and, therefore, a likely long-term buyer. After having a couple of email exchanges with Bob, I think that he would likely make accommodations for customers who believed they were shortchanged by an (admittedly) unclear transition from Logos 4 to Logos 5.
Seems to me that we need to be more long-suffering and kind.
Am I wrong to assume that when he got [not purchased] L4 he also BOUGHT some resources? The program without resources isn't much good. Let me tell you a story: The Acme Torch Company has a policy that if you purchase batteries you receive a free flashlight (torch for our Brit friends). The flashlight only works with Acme batteries and Acme batteries don't fit other flashlights. They also have a policy that they will give the original purchaser a free flashlight whenever they upgrade the flashlight. The last upgrade had a strap which enabled the user to hang the flashlight from his wrist (or elsewhere). There was also a new lens for the flashlight which increased the intensity of the light, but that cost extra (even if you bought new batteries and received the new model flashlight). Do you think the purchaser of the batteries with the old flashlight is entitled to the lens free as well as the new flashlight?
Let me say this in another way. Logos' software has been free. Logos does not charge for its software. What we purchase from Logos is resources - not the software. I did not pay anything for the software. George did not pay anything for the software. You and your friend did not pay anything for the software.
For an example, I purchased the L3 original language package. I did not pay any money to Logos to upgrade to L4 or L5, and yet I am using and running L5.
The program that reads the resources is free.I hope this helps.
Let me say this in another way. Logos' software has been free. Logos does not charge for its software. What we purchase from Logos is resources - not the software. I did not pay anything for the software. George did not pay anything for the software. You and your friend did not pay anything for the software. For an example, I purchased the L3 original language package. I did not pay any money to Logos to upgrade to L4 or L5, and yet I am using and running L5. The program that reads the resources is free.I hope this helps.
The normal time frame is always within 30 days: call in the last minute to customer service (or to sales if You wish to return the entire order), or email in time so that they can respond before the end of the day. Quickest way to get response is to email directly to a representative that You know works full time. After that period, if wanting to change to a different product, contact sales.Logos never extends the grace period beyond 6 months - even that is a stretch.Mostly only minor delays beyond 30 days are tolerated as things would quickly get out of hand if everyone started to return as much as possible:
I find it hard to believe that Logos would knowingly shortchange a new and, therefore, a likely long-term buyer. After having a couple of email exchanges with Bob, I think that he would likely make accommodations for customers who believed they were shortchanged by an (admittedly) unclear transition from Logos 4 to Logos 5.
The normal time frame is always within 30 days: call in the last minute to customer service (or to sales if You wish to return the entire order), or email in time so that they can respond before the end of the day. Quickest way to get response is to email directly to a representative that You know works full time. After that period, if wanting to change to a different product, contact sales.Logos never extends the grace period beyond 6 months - even that is a stretch.Mostly only minor delays beyond 30 days are tolerated as things would quickly get out of hand if everyone started to return as much as possible:I find it hard to believe that Logos would knowingly shortchange a new and, therefore, a likely long-term buyer. After having a couple of email exchanges with Bob, I think that he would likely make accommodations for customers who believed they were shortchanged by an (admittedly) unclear transition from Logos 4 to Logos 5.
Yes, that is exactly my point. 30 days is fairly generous for a return policy. However, even the return policy is occasionally stretched in an effort to be generous to customers who are caught in a bad situation. Plus, you would be hard pressed to find another company extending grace to 6 months after purchase. The fact that we can even talk about anything near 6 months is amazing customer service.
Yes, this is pretty amazing. At some point Logos has to pay the publisher(s), probably after 31 days - that's why if You return something after 30 days You should talk to sales and ask to change the items for some other item:
Yes, that is exactly my point. 30 days is fairly generous for a return policy. However, even the return policy is occasionally stretched in an effort to be generous to customers who are caught in a bad situation. [...] The fact that we can even talk about anything near 6 months is amazing customer service.
Thanks for the tip stupidly I have been scrolling down wow can see much better now (dumb from texas)
I would say, surprise me!
I love what I can currently do with Logos 5 and I cannot think what else can be done. The more I learn how to take advantage of very feature and tool the more I am blown away by it.
But whatever they can think up to make my research and study easier, more accurate and faster would be very welcome.
I had a friend that bought Logos 4 and several weeks later Logos 5 came out and my friend still had to pay an upgrade fee to upgrade to Logos 5.
At that time the only way to get the Logos 5 software was to pay for a Logos 5 base package or a 'minimal' crossgrade. But it was also known/publicised that you could download the software for FREE after a period of time. So there was a choice to wait a little longer and get it for nothing or purchase something to get it now.
A similar situation exists when getting a new computer with Windows OS just before a new version of Windows is released i.e. you have to pay a 'minimal' fee to upgrade to the new OS, or just wait until it was released.
LOGOS 6 is out.
But can't get anythiing up on the web to see what it is about. The system is probably in overload.
Delete your cookies, it is a problem with signin authentication.
It hasn't helped for me. I have tried four browsers, deleted cookies and gone "incognito."
I have tried
... 3 browsers.
Finally made it to a Logos.com home screen on one.
BUT every link goes to a L6 promo webpage rather than the predicted website
The site is down because of too much unanticipated stress on the servers. Gee, you think they might have predicted that and planned better for it. [:P]
Gabe (possibly along with others) has said that logos.com is currently redirecting to a temporary site while they re-code the main site to handle the extra traffic.
They really tried hard not to botch the rollout this time, but alas.... This is getting so predictable. It's something different each time, but it's usually something big and gets users upset. The miscommunication leading to confusion about upgrade paths was the big problem with the Logos 5 rollout. Too many crashing bugs was the problem with Logos 4. But Logos users have short memories and are very forgiving.
It's out and for Logos users, it's very expensive to get the cross grade!
This is true. BUT, you have to remember you will only pay for what you do NOT already have. If you have had even Bronze or Silver Logos 5, it might not be as expensive as you see listed. Remember, those are the prices for those who don't have anything (or barely any of those resources). That is why you call Logos and find out what your options are. You just might be surprised.
Since I bought Logos 4 Scholars, later upgraded to Gold, then got Logos 5 Silver AND and the Minimal Cross grade, AND I have been buying other resources, my price won't be as high it looks like. I looked at their compare list and realized I have many of the sources in the cross grades (except for all of the new features and datasets, of course). So, when Logos.com is back up and running (or when I talk to someone from Logos) I will then be able to see what I will ACTUALLY pay. Ed, if you have been adding resources little by little to Logos, your cost could be lower than you are expecting.
