Thread => Anyone using an Intel Atom Z2760 powered tablet with Windows 8 and Logos 5? should have some helpful insights.
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The amount of RAM memory is one of my big concerns. I would think that it would take 4 to 8 GB of RAM to run Logos well.
Logos 5 is a 32 bit application. On a Dell Latitude ST tablet with an Intel Atom Z670 CPU @ 1.50 GHz and 2 GB of RAM, noticed 1.3 GB used while Logos 5.1 SR-3 is open with 25 tabs, including a few with some visual filter highlighting.
Personally need more storage than 64 GB since my Logos 5 folder uses 41.9 GB. Windows 7 uses 17.6 GB so have 49.1 GB free.
Note: 128 GB SSD has a formatted capacity of 119.4 GB. Dell created 10.49 GB recovery partition and 108.71 GB C: partition. If 64 GB SSD formatting has a recovery partition, free space on C: could be less than 32 GB. For indexing, Logos needs adequate free space for two copies of Library Index while merging (my LibraryIndex folder uses 9.29 GB).
I just bought a Lenovo Yoga 2 Pro for this very reason. It runs Logos 5 very well.
SInce it appears that you might be waiting for a less expensive Windows-based tablet to run Logos 5 and instead considering the Logos mobile application, I would sincerely recommend looking at the iPad. It is a very nice tablet. Holds its value for a long time in the event you want to sell it later. The mobile version of Logos works well. I am a Windows user and an iPad user. I use Logos 5 on my desktop and laptop and the iOS mobile app on the iPad. Works great.
Have you thought about the Lenovo Yoga 11s? Newegg has them refurbished for a decent price. The RAM and SSD are both upgradeable on these.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834313605
Or perhaps a Thinkpad Twist?
http://www.antonline.com/p_33472YU-PG_1034293.htm?sID=PG
I have the new Microsoft Surface Pro 2 tablet (i5 processor, 4GB RAM, 64GB SSD). It runs Logos 5 just fine so far - although I do not seem to push Logos as hard as some of the folks I read in the forum (I usually have no more than 8-10 tabs open at any one time, searches are pretty simple). In particular the resolution of the screen is superb (1920X1080). Battery life when using Logos, internet, and maybe Word is about 7 hours. Runs a full Windows 8.1. But like so many of the tablets with the power to run Logos well, the price is steep (about $900). I think that is often the issue for folks with tablets - to have the power to really run something like Logos the way we expect it to operate, you have be to be willing and able to spend the additional money to get beyond the Intel Atom processors and such.
I am afraid that there is no cheap way to run Logos 5 on tablet. We might be able to run it on a sub $500 machine, but running it well will take more hardware. The price is going to be close to $1,000. If there is a cheaper way to run L5 well, I haven't found it yet.<\P>
And that is not even considering the fact that the program is not designed for a touch screen, no matter how expensive the tablet may be.<\P>
Steve, I have no experience with the iPads (either working with them or with understanding their CPU specs in comparison to Atom or Intel), but my daughter has one (the mini, I believe) and likes it a lot. Has Logos 5 for the iPad actually been written as a "touch" app?
RAusdahl,
Primarily as a Windows user for many years ... 3.0 in the early 1990's, and every version since then. I can sincerely recommend the iPad. Yes, Logos is a touch app on the mobile platform. iOS is a wonderful implementation of a computer operation system on a mobile device. Very consistent and stable from version to version. I know it may be a stretch, but have your daughter show you what she likes about it. I think you won't be disappointed, even though the applications may be different than what you would use.
As far as Logos goes ... It is not the Logos 5 application that the mobile operating systems uses. Whether Android or iOS, it is a mobile version of the app. The full version, Logos 5, is reserved for Windows or OS X. If you require all the capability of Logos, you will need to use Logos 5. They share your resources (library), just not all the functionality.
An opinion: I think the mobile version has an important place in the Logos product set. Just like there are mobile versions of MS Office and iWork, there is mobile Logos. There is a difference.
My point is regarding your decision for Android versus PC. I would encourage you to consider iOS also. That's all.
Please consider everything carefully. Make sure you outline and consider your requirements for using Logos. Pick the hardware platforms you need based on those requirements. The Android mobile operating system is one of those. Logos can fill almost every need (no Windows Phone, yet).
Blessings,
Steve
NOTE: I'M NOT SURE WHY, BUT NONE OF THE FORMATTING I USE WHEN ENTERING MY REPLIES IS BEING USED/DISPLAYED AFTER POSTING. IT'S ALL JUST RUN TOGETHER IN ONE BIG PARAGRAPH. IT SURE SEEMS TO BE WORKING FINE FOR EVERYONE ELSE! WHAT AM I DOING WRONG?Thanks to everyone for the additional thoughts and info!Steve, I have no experience with the iPads (either working with them or with understanding their CPU specs in comparison to Atom or Intel), but my daughter has one (the mini, I believe) and likes it a lot. Has Logos 5 for the iPad actually been written as a "touch" app?Erik, The pricing on the refurb units are definitely closer to what my wallet can support. And as already noted, I really like the flexibility of running the PC version of Windows 8. I'm concerned though about whether or not the 11 inch units have a large enough display to fit a simple Logos layout (say a 3 panel layout--one for highlight, one for a book/commentary, and one for a Bible) and still have decent font size in the two reading panels. I do like the smaller size in terms of portability but suspect the 13 in screens might give a better experience when actually using the device. I'm certainly interested in feedback on that issue. I will probably look into refurbed 13 inch units but will wait until units with the 4th gen I5 processors start to show up as they're much easier on battery drain than previous generations.Orville, Thanks for the input on the Surface Pro 2. I did look at one, but in addition to the same sticker shock as the Lenovo, the sales rep told me battery life (even on the new unit) would only be 4-5 hours... much less than the 8 hours Lenovo claims for the Yoga even though the Yoga has a larger screen. I never did verify the sales rep's statement though about the Surface Pro 2 battery life and it sounds like you're getting much better than what he quoted. I hope that's typical. I also think your use of Logos 5 is much more typical of mine. I'm just a layperson studying on/for my own--I'm definitely not a power user.Alexxy, I'm really glad to hear you've had no problem running Logos 5 from the micro SD card. I thought I'd read in some other thread that people had problems (at least on some tablets) of doing that. Perhaps I'll take a look at the ASUS unit to see if the screen res is better than on the other tablets I looked at as that was the real show-stopper for me regarding the tablets. I had high hopes when heading out to look at the Lenovo Lynx because I'd read good things about its resolution, but for me, text on the Lynx looked much more like text on my computer screens than like text on the Kindle, Lenovo Yoga, and the iPad. Sadly, computer style/quality text is just too taxing on this senior's eyes. :-(Michael, Your comment about Logos 5 not being designed for touch screens is definitely a factor in my thinking about possibly just going with something like the Kindle in the near term. I.e. If it's not possible to use "touch" to access all the Logos 5 features in the PC version of Windows 8 on something like the Yoga or the Surface Pro 2, then I'm not sure it's time to take the plunge yet on one of these convertible units. I "think" I'd be OK with the PC version on one of them "IF" a stylus can be used on them to achieve all the things done with a mouse when running Logos 5 on a PC. But I'm unclear at this point on exactly what can and can't be done on these touch screens when running the PC version of Logos 5. Even less clear on if there's a difference in what can/must be done using a finger and what can/must be done using a stylus. Also confused on whether the type of stylus makes a difference. Oh my!!!
Curious how reply editing is being done ? Personally use forum editor in Opera; sometimes click HTML to modify codes.
Logos has mobile apps for iOS and Android. Logos has an iPad page => https://www.logos.com/ipad Apple offers refurbished iPad's => http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/specialdeals/ipad
That also updated my version of IE from 10 to 11.
Apologies: personally avoid using IE due to too many issues.
Since Apple uses hardware I'm not familiar with (e.g. different CPUs than on Android and Windows devices), I don't know how to evaluate their specs when comparing to Android devices.
Passmark has iOS benchmarks => http://www.iphonebenchmark.net/ and Android => http://www.androidbenchmark.net/ (noticed CPU benchmarks show Apple CPUs having significantly higher benchmark numbers)
I'm also in the dark as to whether the Logos features available on the Apple mobile devices are any different than those on the Android devices.
Logos started development of iOS app many months before Android so the iOS app is more mature than Android. If correct display of Hebrew vowel points is important, then need Android 4.2 or newer.
Regarding the mobile devices, do you know how the Logos features available on the iPad OS compare with those on the Android devices?
I do not know the differences. I only have the iOS version of the mobile app. Perhaps someone else with familiarity could chime in here.
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Also RAusdahl,
You may find the following helps fix your formatting issues with IE 11.
While in IE 11:
1. Click the tools icon (gear) in the upper right hand corner (or tools from the menu bar)
2. Select Compatibility view settings from the drop-down menu
3. Add logos.com to the list of websites (mine was empty)
4. Restart IE 11
That seemed to work for me.
Steve,
thanks for the suggestion. This is a test to see if adding Logos.com to the compatibility list in IE 11 fixes the formatting problem.
I was aware (from personal experience after upgrading to Windows 8.1 on my laptop) of a previous problem with IE 11 on Windows 8.1 that caused Yahoo search result displays to be all messed. The fix for that was to turn compatibility settings off until the problem was fixed. I turned them back on after the issue was resolved. So when I had this formatting problem on the Logos forums, I turned Compatibility View off again to see if that fixed it. It didn't. But I had not tried adding Logos.com to the list which I have now done. In addition to italics, underlining, and bold text, guess I'll add to the test by throwing in some numbered lines.
Hope this works! [:)]
That did the trick! Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!
Keep Smiling 4 Jesus,
Thank you for the benchmark links! Looks like a great place to get started.
One feature I was really hoping would be available on the mobile versions of Logos is dictionary "lookup" feature--simply being able to select a word and get the definition for it as you can do on the PC version of Logos (as well as when using a Kindle to read any Kindle book using the basic/native Kindle software). The feature appears to be available with devices running the iOS app but not those running the Android app. But... it's not so great even with the iOS app, because according to support, you have to have an internet connection in order for the lookup feature to work. I don't understand why, if you have a standard English dictionary on your mobile device, why Logos requires lookup via the internet rather than just via the dictionary on the mobile device. Sigh.
it's not so great even with the iOS app, because according to support, you have to have an internet connection in order for the lookup feature to work. I don't understand why, if you have a standard English dictionary on your mobile device, why Logos requires lookup via the internet rather than just via the dictionary on the mobile device. Sigh.
Your understanding is incorrect. The "look up" feature works this way:
Note: If you are using iOS 7, Apple has made the dictionary optional, and has provided a number of choices to choose from. You must download one of the dictionaries from Apple before the feature will work. This is a change in behavior from previous versions of iOS.
Your understanding is incorrect. The "look up" feature works this way: If you are using a resource with a reverse interlinear, which you own the license to, and are connected to the internet, then the data is retrieved from the Logos servers. Under any and all other circumstances, "look up" pulls the definition locally from the iOS dictionary. Note: If you are using iOS 7, Apple has made the dictionary optional, and has provided a number of choices to choose from. You must download one of the dictionaries from Apple before the feature will work. This is a change in behavior from previous versions of iOS.
I'm glad to hear that. When on the phone with Logos and the support person told me I'd have to have an internet connection to even look up the definition of something like an English word in an English dictionary, I told him I didn't understand why it would be designed that way. He told me it had to do with indexing because the mobile devices had hardware limitations that prevented the mobile apps from having the kind of indexing on them that PCs have. I responded that I could understand that as far as doing "library" searches, but not for something like looking up an english word in a English dictionary--something that could even be done on the least expensive Kindle when reading a Kindle book. But, he said that's just the way it is. [:|]
