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Now I know that this resource is available for purchase from Logos, but its also public domain so anyway...
I am trying to make this a "working" bible as much as I can. It's also my first foray into PBB that isn't sermons or required a lot of milestones or editing. so any thoughts yall have about what I have so far, Matthew is complete as far as I can tell. I would much appreicate it. TY.
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bump and updated doc file4188.COTTON PATCH NT.docx
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This one syncs across all your devices (including mobile.)
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It's also $40 and I am trying to expand my PBB skills, so I'm working on something I would like to have.
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bible isn't complete?
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Everett Headley said:
I am trying to make this a "working" bible as much as I can.
For Bibles you should use the Bible field, to enable features like Text Comparison, Bible Search and the Bible Text Only filter. See this example: http://community.logos.com/forums/p/36966/277952.aspx#277952
Personally, I would also ensure the milestones covered the whole range of verses they referred to. So in Matthew 2, I would use the mileston Matt 2:1-6, rather than just Matt 2:7. That will make it easier for Bibles to say in sync, and for you to find individual verses.
You may also want to use the words-of-christ field when appropriate. But that's a matter of personal choice.
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FYI... I do not believe that Koinonia Partners had released this work of art into the public domain. I do know that at one time you could download the text from their site (I do not know if you still can). Still, this does not imply that the work of art is part of the public domain.Everett Headley said:but its also public domain so anyway...
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[[@Bible:Luke 1:39]]39. Soon after this, Mary quickly packed up and went to a town in the hills of north Georgia. She arrived at the home of Zack Harris and greeted Elizabeth.
they do some awkward things in this translation don't they.
L2 lvl4 (...) WORDsearch, all the way through L10,
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Well, yes, they do some things that we consider awkward. But it wasn't designed for biblically educated white Northerners in 2013. It is an ultimate example of contextualization. We can see it as a novelty, but Jordan was translating it to bring the Gospel to poor people whom he knew didn't understand the culture or language of the Bible as it stood and he wanted them to know the power of the Gospel. How better, than to place Jesus in the places and with many of the names that they knew.
Just as Jordan's work may sound a little bizarre (even humorous) to many of us, so the Bible sounds bizarre (even humorous) to people who live in a totally different world. We may say that they need to learn and become like "us" in order to understand it, but Jordan (as I understand it) felt that the message of Jesus needed to become like them in order that they could understand the message of God's love. Sounds almost incarnational...
My personal favorite has always been Romans 6:1ff: "So what are we advocating? "Let’s wallow in sin, so more grace may pour forth"? Hell, no! How can we who died in sin still live in it? Or are you unaware that we who were initiated into Christ Jesus’ fellowship were initiated into his death realm?"
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And I will say that this is what we need to do today!!!!Calvin Habig said:but Jordan (as I understand it) felt that the message of Jesus needed to become like them in order that they could understand the message of God's love. Sounds almost incarnational...
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I hope you fellas will grant me room to disagree with your premise. First, let us consider these facts:
- The Bible was written 2000 years (& more) ago, not in 2013
- The Bible was written by a bunch of Hebrew men, not white guys.
- Not one Yankee could be found in the early church.
To suppose that someone from Georgia is incapable of understanding the Gospel without it being dumbed down is at best unintentional bigotry based on ill-informed stereotypes.
I view The Cotton Patch Gospel much like a Chic tract.
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Supertramp:
While I don't necessarily disagree with your characterization of Cottonpatch as feeling like a Chick tract, I must stand up and say that contextualization is certainly not bigotry. It is and has been used by missionaries and other gospel communicators for centuries.
If you know anything about the life of Clarence Jordan it is laughable to call him a bigot! He was quite the opposite. I encourage you to check it and him out.
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Super.Tramp said:
I view The Cotton Patch Gospel much like a Chic tract.
Interesting comparison. Did you ever use Chic Tracts in your younger days?
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Calvin Habig said:
I must stand up and say that contextualization is certainly not bigotry. It is and has been used by missionaries and other gospel communicators for centuries.
I am familiar with contextualization. My parents were missionaries and I watched them communicate the Gospel message to the Japanese people. But there is a limit on how far one should go with contextualization. I would never tell the Japanese that Jesus was born of a peach (Momotaro) or a bamboo stalk. (Kaguyahime). I would not say when he returns his foot will settle on Mt. Fuji. I might go as far as to say the marriage of Christ to his Church was arranged by the Father.
Please do not mistake my dislike of over-contextualization as being totally against it. I greatly appreciate your work in creating .docx files that can be helpful in cross-cultural communication.
Calvin Habig said:If you know anything about the life of Clarence Jordan it is laughable to call him a bigot!
Granted, I know nothing of Clarence Jordan so I will retract the word "bigot." I still say there are unintended consequences from uninformed stereotypes.. Maybe this fits Jordan, maybe not.
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[:)] Haha... Why would you ask?Bruce Dunning said:Did you ever use Chic Tracts in your younger days?
I think I have read every one of them and I would collect them if I could afford to get the rare ones. I found them interesting and effective.
Did I use some of them? Yes. Would I use them today? No.
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Super.Tramp said:Bruce Dunning said:
Did you ever use Chic Tracts in your younger days?
Haha... Why would you ask?
I think I have read every one of them and I would collect them if I could afford to get the rare ones. I found them interesting and effective.
Did I use some of them? Yes. Would I use them today? No.
I just had a suspicion that you maybe used them in your younger days. I know that I did when I was in high school. [;)]
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Everett Headley said:
It's also my first foray into PBB that isn't sermons or required a lot of milestones or editing. so any thoughts yall have about what I have so far,
I think it is great you are getting into PBBs. Pay no mind to my comments on your choice of material. Keep up the good work.
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The only suggestion I would make is that it might be better to have your milestones as ranges, rather than individual verses. So the first few milestones ought to be:
- Matthew
- Matthew 1 (not 1:1)
- Matthew 1:18-21 (not 1:18)
- Matthew 1:22-23 (not 1:22)
It won't make a big difference, but if you're trying to keep the Bible in sync with other Bibles, it will help (currently, if you had this Bible linked to another, and then went to Matthew 1:20 in the other Bible, Logos wouldn't know where to turn.
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Bruce Dunning said:Super.Tramp said:Bruce Dunning said:
Did you ever use Chic Tracts in your younger days?
Haha... Why would you ask?
I think I have read every one of them and I would collect them if I could afford to get the rare ones. I found them interesting and effective.
Did I use some of them? Yes. Would I use them today? No.
I just had a suspicion that you maybe used them in your younger days. I know that I did when I was in high school.
I only heard of them in the last few years; and I'll be 39 on my next birthday. I understand that they're very anti-Catholic. While I have many disagreements with the Catholic Church, I also have many points of agreement. I think it's poor practice for Christians to be fighting among themselves (discussing and disagreeing, yes).
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gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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Super.Tramp said:
Please do not mistake my dislike of over-contextualization as being totally against it.
I think an important question here is how far do you contextualize the hook? Sometimes exaggerated qualities are the hook to get some one to try the real thing.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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George Somsel said:Bruce Dunning said:Super.Tramp said:Bruce Dunning said:
Did you ever use Chic Tracts in your younger days?
Haha... Why would you ask?
I think I have read every one of them and I would collect them if I could afford to get the rare ones. I found them interesting and effective.
Did I use some of them? Yes. Would I use them today? No.
I just had a suspicion that you maybe used them in your younger days. I know that I did when I was in high school.
I only heard of them in the last few years; and I'll be 39 on my next birthday. I understand that they're very anti-Catholic. While I have many disagreements with the Catholic Church, I also have many points of agreement. I think it's poor practice for Christians to be fighting among themselves (discussing and disagreeing, yes).
Let me be clear that I don't recommend them today. I don't really even remember many details about them or anything about them being anti-catholic. I'm only saying that I was exposed to them while in high school. By the way, I am 57.
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As a New-Englander I can assure you there are no Yankees in Georgia either.Super.Tramp said:Not one Yankee could be found in the early church.
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Does that mean no yanker-yankee relationships? Hence, no idiom "yank my chain"?
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Dave Moser said:
As a New-Englander I can assure you there are no Yankees in Georgia either.Super.Tramp said:Not one Yankee could be found in the early church.
I love it! My father is a Yankee from Ohio and met my Georgian mother at seminary. My staunchly southern grandpa never did erase the Mason-Dixon line. I was born in Cincinnati but I like butter on my grits.
So, how is this related to Logos? In my family two Yankees use Logos and two southerners do not.. Hmm.
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