Are Vyrso books tagged like Logos 5 books?

Milkman
Milkman Member Posts: 4,832 ✭✭✭
edited November 20 in Resources Forum

Are Vyrso books tagged exactly like Logos books or are they sort of tagged? Also, are they tagged to all other resources that are in ones library, whether they be Vyrso bought or Logos bought?

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  • Todd Phillips
    Todd Phillips Member Posts: 6,735 ✭✭✭

    Milkman said:

    Are Vyrso books tagged exactly like Logos books or are they sort of tagged? Also, are they tagged to all other resources that are in ones library, whether they be Vyrso bought or Logos bought?

    No.  :-)

    Bible references are actually, but they have the possibility of being incorrect: Logos runs an automated processor on the publisher-provided book files that tries to find and automatically tag Bible references, but it's not perfect.  Other than that, they are not tagged.

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  • Milkman
    Milkman Member Posts: 4,832 ✭✭✭

    Do you think that Vyrso will eventually marry with the Logos processor in the future so both will be fully searchable and taggable?

  • Todd Phillips
    Todd Phillips Member Posts: 6,735 ✭✭✭

    Milkman said:

    Do you think that Vyrso will eventually marry with the Logos processor in the future so both will be fully searchable and taggable?

    Vyrso books are fully searchable.

    Logos books are manually tagged by humans, and they are maintained and updated by Logos which is why they cost more.  Vyrso books are the plain ebooks direct from the publisher without any intervention from Logos employees.  That's what makes them different.  Vyrso books will always be something less than Logos books.  They are basically the same as Kindle books with added Bible verse tagging.

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  • JT (alabama24)
    JT (alabama24) MVP Posts: 36,512

    To add just slightly to what Todd wrote...

    Vyrso books are "no frills" ebooks. Scripture is auto linked, but the auto linking can work poorly at times (but mostly very good, especially when the references are "clear"). They are competitively priced with other "plain jane" ebooks (Kindle, nook, etc.). The simple nature of the ebooks makes licensing agreements simpler... Vyrso books are often released the same day they are released in other formats.

    Logos books are "value added" and require human coding. They are a good value, but they are not "cheap." They take months to produce, and we have to wait many months (often more than a year) to see the book made available.

    Most Vyrso books don't need to be expensive "logos edition" resources. They are novels, or "christian living" books. Some would be nice to be in Logos, but for most that is not necessary. Sometimes Logos decides that a VYrso book would be a good fit for Logos. When that happens, the book is typically pulled from VYrso and is released into pre-pub in Logos. When the book is released in Logos, those who have a "vyrso" edition of the resource get a download of the new edition as well, free of charge. (The user would have two copies in their library... otherwise, any notes/highlights would be lost).

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  • Milkman
    Milkman Member Posts: 4,832 ✭✭✭

    Makes sense. That would explain why I have two of the same books in my library. What does the star represent under your picture? Are you a Logos employee?

  • NB.Mick
    NB.Mick MVP Posts: 15,979

    Milkman said:

    Do you think that Vyrso will eventually marry with the Logos processor in the future so both will be fully searchable and taggable?

    Vyrso books are fully searchable.

    Logos books are manually tagged by humans, and they are maintained and updated by Logos which is why they cost more.  Vyrso books are the plain ebooks direct from the publisher without any intervention from Logos employees.  That's what makes them different.  Vyrso books will always be something less than Logos books.  They are basically the same as Kindle books with added Bible verse tagging.

    Milkman,

    To re-iterate from another angle: Vyrso books are Logos books. Thus they will appear in your library and collections, be searchable and everything. They are taggable (in the sense of: you may apply tags to them). Unlike Kindle books, where this is hit and miss, footnotes and ToC-links will work reliably. However, they are very basic Logos books.

    • They are all of type:monograph, even if the content would ask for another type (such as calendar devotionals or commentaries).
    • Due to the automated tagging process, unclear bible references may be wrong (e.g. the author discusses John 3 in a chapter of his work. In one place he/she may write: "most famous is v. 16". The automated process has no understanding of this conext and will assign verses simply to the last referenced chapter, thus if in a prior sentence the author spoke of 1 Cor 13, the tagger will mislead the v. 16 reference to 1 Cor 13, not to John 3 - I'd assume it works like the PB compiler in this regard)
    • The Vyrso books are all delivered without subject categories, which one needs to take into account when building collections rules.
    • Due to the automatic process, links to other Logos works are not created. This, again, is nothing very uncommon (there are threads running regarding the Galaxie journals, the Exegetical Summaries series and others). Especially third-party-produced and/or older Logos resources will have the same issue. One can somewhat mitigate this by putting a note with a link into it. Logos will usually not offer books as Vyrso editions that would require much of this linking, but sometimes they do neverheless.  
    • Logos will usuall not provide "maintenance", such as typo-correction or rework of internal tagging, linking and datatypes.

    Hope this helps,

    Mick  

    Have joy in the Lord! Smile

  • NB.Mick
    NB.Mick MVP Posts: 15,979

    Milkman said:

    Makes sense. That would explain why I have two of the same books in my library. What does the star represent under your picture? Are you a Logos employee?

    He isn't - and I'm not either. Those of us with a star are called "MVPs" (often translated as "many volunteer posts") who spend a considerable time on the forums and try to help others to find their way around.

    Have joy in the Lord! Smile

  • Milkman
    Milkman Member Posts: 4,832 ✭✭✭

    Thanks. Well at least you guys/gals are good at what you do for us amateurs. Appreciate it!