Journal of Biblical Counseling Must Reads

Dave Moser
Dave Moser Member Posts: 473
edited November 20 in English Forum

This file will be useful for those who own The Journal of Biblical Counseling collection. CCEF has started releasing a collection of JBC Must Reads with the most important articles on particular topics grouped together. So far they have released five volumes:

  • On Anger
  • On Redeeming Psychology
  • On Relationships
  • On Suffering
  • On Parenting

The majority of the articles in these books are contained in the dates of the Logos collection so I compiled the tables of contents with Logos resource links for easy access. Enjoy!

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  • Daniel Lee
    Daniel Lee Member Posts: 274 ✭✭

    Thanks, I'll have to check this out, as I've been interested to better use my Logos resources, including the counseling resources.

  • Mark Smith
    Mark Smith Member, MVP Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭

    This file will be useful for those who own The Journal of Biblical Counseling collection.

    Dave, as far as I can tell these specific resources in the Westminster Bookstore are copyrighted. Do you have any assurances for us that you are allowed to put them into this format and distribute them?

    Thanks.

    EDIT: I should add that the lists themselves (not just the contents included in the published discs) may be copyrighted. I don't know but I don't want to violate copyright.

    Pastor, North Park Baptist Church

    Bridgeport, CT USA

  • Dave Moser
    Dave Moser Member Posts: 473

    Dave, as far as I can tell these specific resources in the Westminster Bookstore are copyrighted. Do you have any assurances for us that you are allowed to put them into this format and distribute them?

    I didn't copy anything from the books. I simply provided a list of the articles included within them along with Logos resource links to articles you already own if you bought JBC.

    Listing the names of articles within someone's book is not copyright infringement.

  • Mark Smith
    Mark Smith Member, MVP Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭

    . I simply provided a list of the articles included within them along with Logos resource links.

    I think my concern is with the lists themselves. I am sure you can use them, but not sure you can distribute them. They appear in a copyrighted work. I think it would be good to be sure. Perhaps checking with CCEF?? I imagine they won't mind or would say there is no copyright attached to their lists, but then, again, they might. An email to them might clear everything up.

    Pastor, North Park Baptist Church

    Bridgeport, CT USA

  • Dave Moser
    Dave Moser Member Posts: 473

    Mark, this is an obvious case of fair use. By your standard I wouldn't be able to even recommend the resource to anyone since the title is part of a copyrighted work.

  • Mark Smith
    Mark Smith Member, MVP Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭

    Mark, this is an obvious case of fair use

    You apparently know more about fair use than I do. 

    By your standard I wouldn't be able to even recommend the resource to anyone since the title is part of a copyrighted work.

    You couldn't reuse the title as the title of your book without trouble. You are reusing content. Is that 'fair use'?

    Apparently you feel correct. Since all you can give is your opinion, however, I will not download the file.

    Thank you.

    Pastor, North Park Baptist Church

    Bridgeport, CT USA

  • Lee Walti
    Lee Walti Member Posts: 5

    Mark, I appreciate your desire for integrity but there is nothing wrong with categorizing documents that you have already purchased.  In fact, I have the original CDs of all the JBC software and they provided these categories as a way to easily access and use the contents (with additional options not only by topic but also by author, by date and by issue).  

    It's important for you to understand, Dave is talking about a program that he has purchased.  He has paid the rights to use it.  He doesn't violate those rights by categorizing the contents.  It would be like saying, if you let those articles lie on your floor, you're fine.  But the minute you start putting them in your file cabinets under topics, you've violated the publisher's rights. 

    Hope this clarifies,

    Lee

  • Calvin Habig
    Calvin Habig Member Posts: 439 ✭✭

    Mark:

    I tend to agree with the arguments that this situation is covered under fair use, but one corrective to what you state.  You appear to switch from the title of articles to the title of books, but in either case, titles are not copyrightable. Only “a significant amount of original expression”  is copyrightable and courts have found that titles do not fall under that category

    You could totally call your book the exact same title as that of another book and not infringe copyright.  That is because titles (whether of a book or an article) are typically short.

    Now a series title can be trademarked, which is different from copyright, but an individual title cannot be.  For example: I have no idea if the "Left Behind" series is trademarked, but it qualifies if they have applied for it.  But the individual titles within the series are not either copyrightable or trademarkable.   (Let's see...how many new words did I coin in this post??)

  • Jesse Blevins
    Jesse Blevins Member Posts: 639 ✭✭

    Thank you Dave Moser for doing this work. As they continue to release this series I hope that you will continue to update the Must Reads list. 

    [:)]