A HUGE plea and concern for Logos

I too look forward to more Arminian/Charismatic works.

Gary Osborne said:

denominations like The Assemblies of God

Pathway Press is the Church of God (Cleveland, Tennessee) publisher and I'd love to see some of their stuff as I'm part of that denomination!

http://www.pathwaypress.org/

Gabe Martini said:

Hi Gary,

We are currently working to hire a full-time Pentecostal/Charismatic Product Manager, who can devote 100% of their time to those efforts.

As soon as that occurs, you will notice a significant increase in activity both on the forums and on our Pre-pub and Community Pricing pages. We want experts in each area to manage those resources, and so any lull is due to waiting to get the best person on board to take the reins.

Thank you for being patient!

That's great news Gabe, thank you for informing us. On the other hand it seems to me that it is quiet on both sides. If we can suggest more titles and authors, Logos has proved to listen to that in many cases already.

Super.Tramp said:

Are these resources from your denomination and are you aware of them?:

• Church of God Digital Library Collection 9
• Church of God Digital Library Collection 10
• Church of God Digital Library Collection 11
• Church of God Digital Library Collection 12
• Church of God Digital Library Collection 13

There are some really good things in these collections.

Agree that these are good resources but they are Anderson, Indiana and not Cleveland, Tennessee.

The AOG training materials are also goo and are similar to the ones that we use in Church of God in terms of approach.An example is:

https://www.logos.com/product/8475/assemblies-of-god-history-missions-and-governance-bsb-level-1

Is Mebin said:

I am not disagreeing with OP, but even though Im a pentecostal, Im not that interested in most of what is produced by pentecostals...there would be some Id buy, but unless the scholarship is of Fee's standard, why bother? Surely the popular stuff would be better suited to Vyrso. Well, Im strictly talking about my tastes and my purpose in investing heavily in a bible study program like L5.

As I recall, there was a thread last year sometime that expressed a similar feeling. The result of the thread was two fold as I recall: 1. that the Pentecostals are pretty splintered in terms of what they want; once splintered they were few enough in number to make getting books through pre-pub and community pricing tricky (though not impossible). 2. A number of pentecostal folks expressed a dissatisfaction with much of the "scholarship" in the field believing it to be less than scholarly.

I think this thread bears out similar positions.

For me - I would argue that I agree with about half or maybe a 5/8s of the titles in my library. Reading material that contrasts my own view helps me to stay sharp. Sometimes - rarely - I find a position that I have previously dismissed out of hand actually makes more sense (arguing from scripture) than does the position I had previously held.

So my best advice is jump into the base packages, read views that contrast your own, and be the better for it.

Heretics sometimes ask the most interesting questions...

As to being more reformed friendly (and having one foot in that camp, and one foot out), I think it just appears that way because they hired a Reformed product manager pretty early on in the "lets hire product managers" process, and he has been very responsive and effective at getting books into Logos that we care about. That said, they just now got the Westminster confession into Logos... Something that if they were overly friendly towards the reformed camp, would have been here a long time ago. By and large, if you look at the denominational break down of the books in Logos, and indeed in my own library, "evangelical" titles are far more common than any other group.

Firstly, I didn't intend to put you on the defensive regarding the scholarly nature of pentacostal works. I was just reporting back what other pentacostals had said regarding the subject.

Secondly, the full life study bible and Spurgeon (for instance) are not 1:1 analogs of each other. IE you're comparing apples and oranges. Spurgeon who was baptist, and reformed has cross category interest and thus a wider interest base - the same with Calvin. Comparing the two is sort of like saying the fire bible is as important across the spectrum of Christianity as was the works instrumental in the reformation.

Maybe in 200 years, that may be true of the fire bible, but for now its influence and readership is limited.

Logos is in the end, a business. Things of historical, theological or curiosity value across the spectrum of theological traditions are what we have now; the more specialized writings (Westminster standards for instance - which was instrumental in the formation of the southern baptist convention fwiw which has some 16 million potential customers; and so still not a 1:1 analog) even for the reformed camp are slow in coming.

I would even stipulate to its beneficial nature, and to having used it in the past.

However, its also in the progress of becoming a part of Logos.

However at 4$ a volume I am not in. My bid is far lower. It remains to be seen if the price will drop towards the end. If so it will likely become a part of my library. If not, then I suppose not.

It is up to the users to make it happen - as with any title.

Perhaps its time to do some evangelism for Logos amoungst your peers?

Logos is not of the perspective of "if we build it they will come" they are more "if they come, we will build it".

Also I don't agree that there are MORE reformed users. I maintain that they are one of the bigger, but still not as largely represented as some of the other groups.

The more vocal a group is, however, the more of their resources end up on pre-pub.

The thing that surprised me is that there are more SDA users than Pentecostals (if sheer post count is any indicator). Further they have nearly as much activity as the reformed camp.

Gary Osborne said:

It's been languishing in community pricing for years now

Perhaps that one would benefit from being split into a couple different packages so that it's not such a huge buy in.

(Currently a Southern Baptist that grew up in Pentecostal / Congregational Holiness churches, and far too ignorant to be too hard and fast on some of these issues.)

The Works of Adam Clarke are available on our website.  The Adam Clarke Commentaries used to be available, either separately or in a collection with Wesley's commentaries.  The observation that they are not currently showing is probably due to some issues in updating the licensing for these.  The Publishing Dept. can probably give a better clarification.

We really appreciate suggestions of titles, especially when annotated briefly as to their perceived value/contribution.  We tried ardently to get more suggestions from faculty at pentecostal schools but got very limited suggestions, probably due to their busy schedules.  But we begged for input from faculty from several schools trying to identify the works they prefer their students to have.

Did we ever get a full time product manager?