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  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 53,121

    Trying to build a mind map of the relationships embedded in the collections and found a problem requiring duplication of data. My intent in suggesting the 2 categories:

    • Pre-schism
    • Post-schism. pre-reformation

    was to allow the pre-schism group to be included in both the Catholic and Orthodox streams (and certain Protestant groups that claim them as well) and for post-schism, pre-reformation to be included in Catholic and certain Protestant groups e.g. Anglicans but not to be included in Orthodox.

    That doesn't appear to be the intent of the current structure. It could be supported by duplicate entries - often 3 to include the religious order in the current structure. If that is the intent, I need to work my way through which require multiple entries if I am to correctly edit the table.

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  • MJ. Smith
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    The structure of the Congregational entries confuses me.

    In the case of the Evangelical Free Church of America, if I recall correctly the EFCA merged with the Congregational Church. In the case of the United Church of Christ, the Congregational Church merged into the UCC. The two entries have opposite relationships. However, there is a larger question - what relationship is being shown by the denominational stream - history of theology or church ecumenical history?

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  • MJ. Smith
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    Another interesting puzzle. (Yes, I'm going through in great details seeing if I'd be willing to help with the updates.)

    Under "Anglican" is the Church of South India. From Wikipedia:

    "The Church of South India (CSI) is the successor of the Church of England in India after Indian Independence. It came into being by a union of Anglican and Protestant churches in South India. It combined the South India United Church (union of the Congregationalists and the Presbyterians); the then 14 Anglican Dioceses of South India and one in Sri Lanka; and the South Indian District of the Methodist church With a membership of over four million, it is India's second largest Christian church after the Catholic Church in India. CSI is one of four united churches in the Anglican Communion."

    Do United Churches need their own category as they represent a theological mix rather than belonging to any single thread?

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  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 53,121

    What is the thinking for making Arminianism a denomination rather than a theological stance? And if a person gives a parachurch as their denomination, is it really a parachurch anymore?

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  • Liam
    Liam Member Posts: 1,438 ✭✭✭

    Maybe a dumb question, but how do I utilize these tags and get them into my Logos library? I also would like to create collections of several of these and can't figure out how to get them to show in Logos (mainly a puritan collection). I went to documents.logos.com and only have the option to duplicate these tags, which simply makes another of the same file at documents.logos.com. How do I get these to show up in my Logos library?

  • abondservant
    abondservant Member Posts: 4,795

    Xenia and its later iteration Xenia-Pittsburgh theological seminary are both United Presbyterians.
    Andover Theological Seminary is at a minimum reformed.

    These seminaries both produced Bibliotheca Sacra prior to Dallas (as did Oberlin seminary, Which started as a non-denominational institution but merged with Vanderbilt which considers it self Episcopal Methodists.)

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  • abondservant
    abondservant Member Posts: 4,795

    Also - Charles Ryrie of nebulous denominational affiliation (but certainly a dispensationalist as he was the former president of Dallas Theological Seminary) has a book published through B&H and so one of his titles is flagged as southern baptist.

    IS Ryrie Southern Baptist? If so lets add him as an author, if not, we need to make an exception Publisher:(Broadman and Holman ANDNOT Author:Ryrie) or however that would look.

    The book in question is his "Ryrie's Practical Guide to Communicating Bible Doctrine".

    Also I noticed Kenneth O. Gangel is listed by name under Parachurch, and by publisher under Southern Baptist (and Baptist).

    For Theology: Amillenial

    The following people have books that are from an Amillenial perspective, that also have books (or journal entries) published in Logos.

    geerhardus voss
    G.K. Beale
    Hendriksen, William
    Hill, Charles E
    Anthony Hoekema
    Johnson, Dennis E
    Mathison, Keith
    Poythress, Vern
    Riddlebarger, Kim
    Venema, Cornelis
    Sam Storms
    Samuel Waldron

    Here is where the list originated from.

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  • abondservant
    abondservant Member Posts: 4,795

    Anything by: Sunday School Board of the Southern Baptist Convention should be included in the southern baptist collection.

    The sunday school board (unlike B & H) was primarily concerned with producing things for within the denomination.

    Most of the items they've produced that are in Logos are as part of a classic commentary collection, but never the less.

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  • Josh
    Josh Member Posts: 1,542

    Skip Heitzig, Greg Laurie, and Ray Comfort need to be added to the Dispensational tag.

    The Premillennialism Wikipedia page has Ray Comfort listed as Dispensational. Also, Dispensational beliefs can be found on both Greg Laurie's and Skip Heitzig's church websites.

  • abondservant
    abondservant Member Posts: 4,795

    David Abernathy.

    Should be listed as reformed - he's a graduate of RTS.

    He has 5 titles in the exegetical summary series that aren't being picked up.

    Ezra Abbot

    Should be listed as Unitarian
    [quote]Many of the prominent early textual critics were Unitarians, including Johann Wettstein (1693-1754), Alexander Geddes (1737-1802), Edward Harwood (1729-94), George Vance Smith (1816-1902), Ezra Abbot (1819-84), Joseph Henry Thayer (1828-1901), and Caspar Rene Gregory (1846-1917). Others such as Johann Griesbach, though not Unitarian, were modernists who denied the deity of Christ.

    Daniel C. Arichea - is a Bishop with the UMC.

    Rev George Barlow - Presbyterian

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  • abondservant
    abondservant Member Posts: 4,795

    Julius August Bewer was ordained congregational, and worked at a seminary that currently claims it is ecumenical.

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  • abondservant
    abondservant Member Posts: 4,795

    John Dominic Crossan - wiki lists him as Roman Catholic (though he's no longer a priest). He's also tied to the Jesus Seminar and their quest for the historical jesus. Which may be a good collection to make as well.

    Frederic Farrar - Anglican - kind of surprised he wasn't listed. You have to click the links for the churches he pastored to see he was/is Anglican.

    Also - can you add OR MyTag:(short name for the group/theology in question IE MyTag:Anglican to the Anglican Collection) to the collections?


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  • Lynden O. Williams
    Lynden O. Williams MVP Posts: 8,974

    Denomination: Seventh-day Adventist

    Author:("Anderson, Bruce", "Lewis, Karen Ann", "Bacchiocchi, Samuel", "Land, Gary", "Knott, Ronald Allan", "Paulien, Jon", "Sahlin, Monte", "General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists",  "Holbrook, Frank B.", "Colon, Jac", "Advent Source", "Day, Dan", "Weber, Martin", "Tucker, Mike", "Walter, Elden", "Colon, Jac", "Batchelor, Doug", "Chea, Alvin", "Chalice, Leander",  "Papaioannou, Kim", "swenson, Terry", "Turner, Lawrence A.",   "Mitchell, Larry A.", "Himes, Joshua V.", "Frazee, W.D.",  "Tucker, Gayle", "Andrews University", "Brand, Leonard", "Davidson, Richard M.", "Dederen, Raoul", "Doukhan, Jacques B.", "Fayard, Carlos", "Gane, Roy", "Gugliotto, Lee J.", "Gulley, Norman R.", "Harding IV, George T.", "Hasel, Gerhard", "Hernandez, Barbara Couden", "Horn, Siegfried H.", "Knight, George R.", "LaRondelle, Hans K.", "Miller, Nicholas M.", "Neufeld, Don F.", "Nichol, Francis D.", "Rasell, Marc", "Rice, Richard", "Richards, W. Larry", "Smith, Uriah", "Stefanovic, Ranko", "Swanson, H. Peter", "White, Ellen G.") OR Publisher:("Adventsource", "Simple Church Global Network", "Andrews University Press", "Ellen G. White Estate", "Review and Herald", "Seventh-day Adventist") OR Subject:(“ellen white writings”) OR MyTag:(“sdaencyc”, “sdaatlas”)

    Updated May 29, 2014

    Mission: To serve God as He desires.

  • David Ames
    David Ames Member Posts: 2,977 ✭✭✭

    Denomination: Seventh-day Adventist

    Removed the MyTag section and got 540 hits - how many am I missing?

  • Lynden O. Williams
    Lynden O. Williams MVP Posts: 8,974

    I have 540 also. I used the mytag to include the Encyclopedia and Atlas. They were not properly tagged.

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  • Randy W. Sims
    Randy W. Sims Member Posts: 2,272 ✭✭✭

    Thanks for posting your rule to this thread, Lynden. It looks like the additions you made for SDA are as listed out below. (It's probably a bit easier for Andrew if we just list the additions as a list rather than posting the entire rule, if possible.)

    Author:
    Advent Source
    Bacchiocchi, Samuel
    Batchelor, Doug
    Chalice, Leander
    Chea, Alvin
    Colon, Jac
    Day, Dan
    Frazee, W.D.
    General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists
    Himes, Joshua V.
    Holbrook, Frank B.
    Knott, Ronald Allan
    Land, Gary
    Lewis, Karen Ann
    Mitchell, Larry A.
    Papaioannou, Kim
    Paulien, Jon
    Sahlin, Monte
    Swenson, Terry
    Tucker, Gayle
    Tucker, Mike
    Turner, Lawrence A.
    Walter, Elden
    Weber, Martin

    Publisher:
    Adventsource
    Simple Church Global Network

    Subject:
    ellen white writings

    MyTag:
    sdaencyc
    sdaatlas

    Currently, the generated rules don't contain Subject or MyTag filters. Is this something that would be useful to a lot of collections or just limited use?

  • Edwin Sully PAYET
    Edwin Sully PAYET Member Posts: 251

    Author:("Adams, W. Milton", “Anderson, Bruce”, “Andrews University”, “Bacchiocchi, Samuele”, “Batchelor, Doug”, “Brand, Leonard”, “Brown, Robert H.”, “Case, Steve”, “Chalice, Leander”, “Chea, Alvin”, “Coffin, Harold”, “Colon, Jac”, “Davidson, Richard M.”, “Day, Dan”, “Dederen, Raoul”, “Dickerson, Brenda”, “Doukhan, Jacques B.”, “du Preez, Ron”, “Dudley, Roger L.”, “Edson, Hiram”, "Evans, Mary J.", “Fayard, Carlos”, "Flowers, Ron", “Ford, Mark”, “Frazee, W.D.”, “Gane, Roy E.”, “General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists”, “Gugliotto, Lee J.”, “Gulley, Norman R.”, “Harding IV, George T.”, “Hasel, Gerhard”, “Hernandez, Barbara Couden”, “Himes, Joshua V.”, “Horn, Siegfried H.”, “Holbrook, Frank B.”, “Knight, George R.”, “Knott, Ronald Allan”, “Land, Gary”, “LaRondelle, Hans K.”, “Lewis, Karen Ann”, “Miller, Nicholas M.”, “Mitchel, Larry A.”, “Neufeld, Don F.”, “Nichol, Francis D.”, “Papaioannou, Kim”, "Paulien, Jon", "Penner, Todd C.", “Rasell, Marc”, “Rice, Richard”, “Richards, W. Larry”, “Roth, Ariel A.”, “Sahlin, Monte”, “Shea, William H.”, “Smith, Uriah”, “Stefanovic, Ranko”, “Swanson, H. Peter”, “Swenson, Terry”, “Tucker, Gayle”, “Tucker, Mike”, “Turner, Lawrence A.”, “Walter, Elden”, “Weber, Martin”, “White, Ellen G.”, “Geoscience Research Institute”) OR Publisher:(“Andrews University Press”, “AdventSource”, “Adventist Today”, “Biblical Perspectives”, “Center for Creative Ministry”, “Ellen G. White Estate”, “First Impressions”,  “Jon Paulien”, “Pacific Press”, “Review and Herald”, “Simple Church Global Network”, “Seventh-day Adventist”) OR Subject:(“ellen white writings”) OR MyTag:(“sdaencyc”, “sdaatlas”, “sda”) OR adventist OR Seventh-day

  • abondservant
    abondservant Member Posts: 4,795

    I have spent a good deal of time tagging most of my library - The inclusion of tags in rules would be helpful to me.

    ALSO Kevin DeYoung is changing denominations to PCA

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  • Peter_G
    Peter_G Member Posts: 102

    Excluding what I have hidden, this is my library profile. I'm sure it can be improved in terms of narrowing the "beat's me/I don't know/unclassified" portion:

    How did you generate this pie chart?

  • Veli Voipio
    Veli Voipio MVP Posts: 2,015

    I could not take time to read the whole thread, but I have been thinking to tag mine adding these to myTags, according to the general  thelogical base

    Fundamentalist
    Evangelical
    Cleric
    Critical
    Humanist

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  • abondservant
    abondservant Member Posts: 4,795

    Hoping Andrew is ok - haven't seen him around the forums for a while...

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  • Don Awalt
    Don Awalt Member Posts: 3,521 ✭✭✭

    Hoping Andrew is ok - haven't seen him around the forums for a while...

    I don't think there is cause for concern yet, he said he was facing a very busy stretch and probably wouldn't be around much until mid-June.

  • abondservant
    abondservant Member Posts: 4,795

    Thanks for the update - also I noticed there is a new collection for Assemblies of God made just five days ago.

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  • Don Awalt
    Don Awalt Member Posts: 3,521 ✭✭✭

    Thanks for the update - also I noticed there is a new collection for Assemblies of God made just five days ago.

    Interesting. I clicked on it to update/add, and it said my copy was current. I wonder if Andrew just re-saved it or something.

  • Andrew Baguley
    Andrew Baguley Member Posts: 641 ✭✭✭

    I think I've updated the spreadsheet to include all of the suggestions so far.  As always please feel free to suggest corrections, additions, etc.  I've updated all of the Faithlife collections at: https://faithlife.com/logos-library-theology-denomination-tags/documents 

    Here's the latest copy of the spreadsheet:

    2112.Denominations and Theology - 10 June 2014.zip

    And a new Frequently Asked Questions guide, mainly based on previous postings on this thread:

    0488.Theology and Denomination Tag Reference.doc 

  • Andrew Baguley
    Andrew Baguley Member Posts: 641 ✭✭✭

    Maybe a dumb question, but how do I utilize these tags and get them into my Logos library? I also would like to create collections of several of these and can't figure out how to get them to show in Logos (mainly a puritan collection). I went to documents.logos.com and only have the option to duplicate these tags, which simply makes another of the same file at documents.logos.com. How do I get these to show up in my Logos library?

    Hope you've found your answers by now, Liam.  Apologies for the long absence.  I've created a new Frequently Asked Questions guide to try to answer these sorts of questions.  See link on previous post.  Please let me know if you still have a question.

  • Andrew Baguley
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    Also - Charles Ryrie of nebulous denominational affiliation (but certainly a dispensationalist as he was the former president of Dallas Theological Seminary) has a book published through B&H and so one of his titles is flagged as southern baptist.

    IS Ryrie Southern Baptist? If so lets add him as an author, if not, we need to make an exception Publisher:(Broadman and Holman ANDNOT Author:Ryrie) or however that would look.

    The book in question is his "Ryrie's Practical Guide to Communicating Bible Doctrine".


    Also I noticed Kenneth O. Gangel is listed by name under Parachurch, and by publisher under Southern Baptist (and Baptist).

    For Theology: Amillenial

    The following people have books that are from an Amillenial perspective, that also have books (or journal entries) published in Logos.

    geerhardus voss
    G.K. Beale
    Hendriksen, William
    Hill, Charles E
    Anthony Hoekema
    Johnson, Dennis E
    Mathison, Keith
    Poythress, Vern
    Riddlebarger, Kim
    Venema, Cornelis
    Sam Storms
    Samuel Waldron

    Here is where the list originated from.

    Thanks for all your helpful posts, abondservant.  Maybe I need to remove the Southern Baptist tag from B&H.  When the project started, it was more of a rough and ready guide.  As it's becoming more of an exhaustive list, it can afford to be more particular.  Do you know if many non-Southern Baptist authors are published by B&H?

    I've added Amillennial as a theology, though I'm not sure everyone on the above list falls under that category.  For example, Keith Mathison's "Postmillennialism: An Eschatology of Hope" suggests that he is post-millennial.  I've added the authors I verified.  I'm open to suggestions for who else should be on this list, preferably with evidence as always.

  • Andrew Baguley
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