It's here - Fathers of the Church

SineNomine said:

Lack of cash frequently simplifies my shopping.

If I keep buying expensive prepubs instead of cheap packages it will soon simplify mine as well...

SineNomine said:

fgh said:

I'll never understand why so many people are willing to waste good money on payment plan fees

For me, that would be a last-ditch desperation move.

I can understand it if you simply have to have something for class. Or if the discount is so deep and so unique that the fee is peanuts in comparison with what you save, like with the 2010 Christmas Bundle (2000 books, 2000 dollars). Or if you know you have money coming in a month or two and can pay it all off then. But generally I can't understand it at all. $60 a year is $300 in five years. You can buy a lot of books for $300.

SineNomine said:

That would be ideal. But we know about Logos's non-promising policy and why it's in place.

They rarely give as short notice as two weeks. They shouldn't use their shortest notice for their most expensive resources.

SineNomine said:

On the other hand, they want to push out as much as possible as soon as possible.

They don't produce 127 vols. in two weeks. They've known a long time that this was in the works. They just didn't inform us.

I'm a little bummed out ... I came to the conclusion last night that I am going to have to cancel my order.  I'm not ready financially.  And, unfortunately, the regular price is going to be too much.  I'm thinking it's unlikely it will be this low again, even with some future discount which is likely to be a ways off. 

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I'm not sure what the specific value proposition is for these resources versus the other, older translations of various works.  ECF, summary works, other sets author specific.

Maybe someone could share their thinking.

One other question ....

Among the subsets; Ante Nicene, Nicene, Post, Augustine, Latin Fathers, Greek .... which do you think is the most valuable?  (Not price, but perhaps referenced most by other church documents - Catechism, Encyclicals, Vatican docs, etc.)

Maybe I could do one subset now and add others later.

Steve said:

Among the subsets; Ante Nicene, Nicene, Post, Augustine, Latin Fathers, Greek .... which do you think is the most valuable?  (Not price, but perhaps referenced most by other church documents - Catechism, Encyclicals, Vatican docs, etc.)

St. Augustine gets mentioned the most of everybody out of the Fathers, and in the most diverse manners. There are certain Ante Nicene quotations that come up again and again everywhere. St. John Chrysostom, St. Ambrose of Milan, and the St. C's anecdotally seem the most quoted other Fathers.

The most valuable ECFs are quite possibly the ones you'll read. If you have the most interest in St. Augustine, pick St. Augustine. If in Sts. Irenaeus and Ignatius of Antioch, pick the Ante Nicene Fathers. Etc.

Is this what you are looking for?

MJ. Smith said:

I couldn't afford them.

And I cancelled. I'm too tired of constant errors to hand over that kind of money. They can fix their quality control first, then we can talk. Plus I'm also tired of financing prepubs that others can then buy in a package for a fraction of the cost I paid. I'll wait and see what Verbum 6 looks like before I decide.

Martin, why don't you wait for the next update and check for yourself? https://community.logos.com/forums/p/86009/603840.aspx#603840

I didn't get it either, to the surprise of no one.

It was 30% off on pre-pub and my academic discount is 24%, so even if I were to get the necessary money next month I wouldn't feel too bad about not having purchased it on pre-pub.

Here it is.

0815.foc.txt

There appears to be 125 files in the entire set (127 volumes). 

Edit:  I just prioritized this series and it shows as 125 volumes.  ... product page says 127.

Hmm ... [^o)]

Martin Grainger Dean said:

Thank you very much, Steve! Can you check if "Sermons, vol. 1 (1–80) by Saint Caesarius" (lls:srmnsvlm) contains vol. 2 (81–186) and vol. 3 (187–238)? Maybe that's way you got 125 vols. and not 127! Martin.

I checked.  That's it.  Thanks for the explanation.

Really ... you should run out and buy a lottery ticket right now... 

MJ. Smith said:

Do the sermons appear in the sermon section?

I have checked a few so far, surprisingly not. Why not I wonder, brand new collection, not cheap, and all the advertising of the sermons capability? I don't know if Logos functions as a bunch of independent silos so this was not even on the drawing board to consider, or it's a bug, or what. It is disappointing though, I was looking forward to seeing more in that section.

Will do.

MJ. Smith said:

Do the sermons appear in the sermon section?

I'm not sure I understand specifically how to check.  Perhaps you can provide some steps for me to follow.  Here is a screen shot with the table of contents expanded:

Does this help answer the question?

Steve said:

I'm not sure I understand specifically how to check.  Perhaps you can provide some steps for me to follow.  Here is a screen shot with the table of contents expanded:

You'll see I answered MJ above - what I did, do something like this. I did a search on Matthew 25, found a bunch of results in the resources (I tagged them all together, searched on the tag). So then, I did a Passage Guide on Matt 25. They did not come up. I tried this with multiple verses. Make sense?

Don Awalt said:

Make sense?

I put a screen shot on the bug report thread.  I know I should get this, but I'm not seeing how it is supposed to work.  I opened the Passage Guide, did a search on John 6.  I don't see any "sermon" section.  I guess that could mean:

     1)  I don't have any resources in my library that are "sermons",

     2)  I have resources that are "sermons" but they are not identified as sermons (software doesn't recognize),

     3) There is no "sermon" section in the Passage Guide.

Can you post a screen shot of the Passage Guide that shows a Sermon Section?  That would help me understand better.