Any Way to Display an OT Bible Chapter in Strong's Numbers?
I am studying the book of Jonah and I am trying to create a word cloud for each chapter based on the roots of the original Hebrew words. For those that are unaware, a word cloud will show every word used in the text with the most frequent words having the largest font size and the most infrequent words having the smallest font size. This is a graphical way of looking at the text to see what the main themes might be. For example, here is a sample word cloud for the book of Genesis: http://66clouds.com/old_testament.html#Genesis
The main difference is that I want to create a word cloud from the original Hebrew text (via Strongs numbers) for each chapter.
Is there any way that I can create a document that will contain ONLY the Strongs numbers for a chapter?
For example, Jonah 1:1 should look like the following:
H1961 H1697 H3068 H413 H3124 H1121 H573 H559
I would like to see the entire chapter in that format.
Many thanks and blessings.
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Why do you want Strong numbers instead of Hebrew lemmas? or chapters instead of pericopes?
Step 1: Set Bible text only
Step 2: Set inline to Strong only
Step 3. Select Print/Export
Step 4: Finish editing in Word
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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Thanks for the reply.
I'm not opposed to using something else, as long as it will give me the results that I am expecting.
Can you give me an example of how Jonah 1:1 would look like with Hebrew lemmas? Or how I could create them myself?
The Strongs numbers will eliminate adjectives (and, the, from, etc), masculine / feminine variations, past / present / future tenses on the word, etc. In other words, it will just give the basic word used. So if the words "cry", "cries", and "crying" were used, they should all just be counted under one word (as opposed to three).
Blessings.
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Only difference is that the inline display is set to only show Hebrew lemmas:
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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GeoPappas said:
So if the words "cry", "cries", and "crying" were used, they should all just be counted under one word (as opposed to three).
Yes. Lemmas are the basic word. And's will appear as it is its own Hebrew lemma.
I am NOT a fan of Strongs numbers because I believe that if you don't know enough Hebrew to read the word in Hebrew, you don't know enough Hebrew to make reliable observations in Hebrew. In this example, one needs a sense of the relative distribution of words in Hebrew generally to know if the distribution of words in this chapter is meaningful. The "normal use" is the usual distribution of words in this kind of literature in this era. What is important is differences from the "normal use". Even there one must use common sense. I would expect the word "Jonah" to appear more frequently in the book called Jonah than in the rest of the Bible.[;)]
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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GeoPappas said:
Can you give me an example of how Jonah 1:1 would look like with Hebrew lemmas?
The first 6 verses is more meaningfully for your Cloud frequency.
This is a Word List. Print/Export does not help your cause, so your cloud will have to be built manually from the List.
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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So, you don't like 'Interesting Words' in the Passage Guide. Actually, presuming Logos' description of the method, their approach is more useful to you (the size of the words relative to not only use, but abnormal use .... if I understand correctly). A strict 'use' often reflects the general text; not what should catch your eye. You get a choice of 3 languages depending.
But back to your request, MJ's second example I think would do what you want. Logosians like to poopoo Strongs (not referring to MJ or Dave) and no doubt lemmas carry far more detail along with far more questions. Strongs is a quick and reasonably accurate view, plus its numbering method for verbs is easy to introduce even more interesting patterns quickly.
EDIT: Being the curious type, I wondered about the PG's Interesting Words, if you looked at the problem by language (since PG has 3). I used the absolutely critical passage of Jer 6:16-20 (actually it's somewhat amusing, when you imagine them holding their hands to their ears, and shaking their heads .... thousands of them .... refusing to use a map). Well, anyway, it's interesting that the pattern computes out differently by language. Fascinating.
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."If myth is ideology in narrative form, then scholarship is myth with footnotes." B. Lincolm 1999.
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GeoPappas said:
... a word cloud will show every word used in the text with the most frequent words having the largest font size and the most infrequent words having the smallest font size.
Logos 5 has Interesting Words (with three languages) and Topics:
Illustrations section is also a word cloud
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Thanks to everyone for their responses. I have been trying the various suggestions over the last day or so. I am amazed at the power that Logos has.
MJ. Smith said:Why do you want Strong numbers instead of Hebrew lemmas?
I have taken a look at the lemmas and they seem quite useful. Unfortunately, the word cloud app that I am using (Tagxedo) doesn't seem to understand Hebrew (and thus won't make a useful word cloud).
MJ. Smith said:Why do you want chapters instead of pericopes?
Thanks for the idea. For Jonah, I think that chapters are fine for what I am trying to do, but if I were to do other areas of the Bible, then pericopes might be more useful.
MJ. Smith said:Lemmas are the basic word. And's will appear as it is its own Hebrew lemma.
Thanks, that is good to know.
MJ. Smith said:I am NOT a fan of Strongs numbers because I believe that if you don't know enough Hebrew to read the word in Hebrew, you don't know enough Hebrew to make reliable observations in Hebrew.
I'm not sure that I understand your objection. I know how to read Hebrew, but before I learned how to read Hebrew I used Strong's numbers for many years (as a stepping stone). I believe that Strong's numbers are very useful. They are just a tool, and like any other tool can be useful or detrimental (depending on how you use them). I am NOT a fan of most English translations of the Bible. For example, God's name (YHWH)(יְהֹוָה) is mistranslated into His title (Lord) in most Bibles.
In Jonah 1:2 in the NASB, God (YHWH) tells Jonah to "cry" out against the Ninevites. The Hebrew word used is qara (קָרָא)(H7121). In Jonah 1:6, the same Hebrew word is used again when the captain of the ship tells Jonah to "cry out" to God (YHWH), but the NASB translates the word as "call". In Jonah 3:2, God (YHWH) once again tells Jonah to "cry" out against the Ninevites, but the word is translated as "proclaim". So here are three uses of a Hebrew word and they are translated three different ways. So if I am doing a word study in English, then I won't see that the Hebrew word for "cry out" is used over and over. Instead, I will see various translations of the word (cry, call, proclaim, etc). That is why I am trying to do a word study using the original Hebrew, but I also want to be able to present the word cloud in English because I will be using it to teach others.
MJ. Smith said:Step 1 ... Step 2 ... Step 3 ... Step 4
Thanks for the detailed explanation.
Dave Hooton said:This is a Word List.
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said:Logos 5 has Interesting Words (with three languages) and TopicsThanks, but Word List and Interesting Words look like they are Logos 5 features (and I only have Logos 4 at this time). Maybe it is time for me to upgrade / update...
Denise said:So, you don't like 'Interesting Words' in the Passage Guide.
It's not that I don't like them, but I never heard of them until now.
Dave Hooton said:
GeoPappas said:Can you give me an example of how Jonah 1:1 would look like with Hebrew lemmas?
The first 6 verses is more meaningfully for your Cloud frequency.
Thanks, but I plan on doing a word cloud on an entire chapter, not just one verse. I was just asking to see an example for one verse, so I could get an idea of what it would look like.
Once again, thanks to everyone for their help.
Blessings.
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GeoPappas said:
For example, God's name (YHWH)(יְהֹוָה) is mistranslated into His title (Lord) in most Bibles.
I'm sure you know this but some reading the thread may not. This is not so much a mistranslation as a theological choice usually indicated by the typeface and noted in the introductory materials.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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MJ. Smith said:GeoPappas said:
For example, God's name (YHWH)(יְהֹוָה) is mistranslated into His title (Lord) in most Bibles.
I'm sure you know this but some reading the thread may not. This is not so much a mistranslation as a theological choice usually indicated by the typeface and noted in the introductory materials.
Yes, I am aware that they made a "theological choice" to mistranslate the Hebrew word and hide His name [:D]
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GeoPappas said:
Logos 5 has Interesting Words (with three languages) and Topics
Thanks, but Word List and Interesting Words look like they are Logos 5 features (and I only have Logos 4 at this time). Maybe it is time for me to upgrade / update...
Logos 4 also has Interesting Words => Interesting Words in Exegetical Guide
Logos 5 is free => https://www.logos.com/installation
Caveat several new features in Logos 5 need appropriate resources => http://wiki.logos.com/Upgrade_or_Crossgrade
GeoPappas said:In Jonah 1:2 in the NASB, God (YHWH) tells Jonah to "cry" out against the Ninevites. The Hebrew word used is qara (קָרָא)(H7121). In Jonah 1:6, the same Hebrew word is used again when the captain of the ship tells Jonah to "cry out" to God (YHWH), but the NASB translates the word as "call". In Jonah 3:2, God (YHWH) once again tells Jonah to "cry" out against the Ninevites, but the word is translated as "proclaim". So here are three uses of a Hebrew word and they are translated three different ways. So if I am doing a word study in English, then I won't see that the Hebrew word for "cry out" is used over and over. Instead, I will see various translations of the word (cry, call, proclaim, etc). That is why I am trying to do a word study using the original Hebrew, but I also want to be able to present the word cloud in English because I will be using it to teach others.
Logos 4 can search for a lemma. Logos 5 Bible Word Study has new sections: Root and Senses
Keep Smiling [:)]
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Logos 4 also has Interesting Words => Interesting Words in Exegetical Guide
Thanks. For some reason, Interesting Words was in the Passage Guide on my system.
But I am confused by the results from Interesting Words. I just ran Interesting Words on Jonah chapter 1 (verses 1-17) and it looks like it shows the words "lot" and "become" as the most frequent. In Jonah chapter 1, the word "lot" only shows up 3x and the word "become" only shows up 2x. The most frequent words should be "LORD" (12x) and "Jonah" (7x), but they are displayed in a much smaller font. Any ideas as to why this is happening?
FYI: My preferred Bible is currently NASB.
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GeoPappas said:
But I am confused by the results from Interesting Words. I just ran Interesting Words on Jonah chapter 1 (verses 1-17) and it looks like it shows the words "lot" and "become" as the most frequent. In Jonah chapter 1, the word "lot" only shows up 3x and the word "become" only shows up 2x. The most frequent words should be "LORD" (12x) and "Jonah" (7x), but they are displayed in a much smaller font. Any ideas as to why this is happening?
There is a discussion of this at http://community.logos.com/forums/p/12486/98134.aspx#98134 - it looks as though it isn't as simple as frequency of words in a particular passage
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Click on a word in the Wordle and it will open up a list of the occurrences so you can track more readily precisely what it is doing.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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GeoPappas said:
Logos 5 has Interesting Words (with three languages) and Topics
Thanks, but Word List and Interesting Words look like they are Logos 5 features (and I only have Logos 4 at this time). Maybe it is time for me to upgrade / update...
Word List should be on Logos 4, but you should get the free update to Logos 5!
Dave
===Windows 11 & Android 13
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