Is there a future date that we will have an app for the Windows Phone? Would love to access my books from my phone.
Is there a future date that we will have an app for the Windows Phone?
I have not heard of any definite plans to create a windows phone app.
In my humble opinion don't count on it. Windows Phone is such a small market share (well less than 5% of new sales) now, it probably doesn't make business sense to support it but I am not affiliated with Logos in any way and am not privy to their plans...
Logos apps for Windows Phone depends on sales volume and usage by Logos users. Seem to remember a Logos user survey (last year) => Please try the user survey! that allows comments (e.g. Windows Phone) to be entered during survey.
Microsoft quarterly report did not break out Windows Phone sales, only "excitement" => http://www.slashgear.com/microsofts-windows-phone-sales-silence-speaks-volumes-19210138/
Gartner estimates in Feb 2012 show Windows Phone sales increase => http://wmpoweruser.com/gartner-windows-phone-sales-increased-450-yoy-62-between-q3-and-q4-2011/ (caveat: market share % is well below when Logos announced iOS and Android app development)
Alternative: can use http://biblia.com in Windows Phone browser for online access to your Logos library.
Keep Smiling [:)]
We do not plan to develop a Logos Bible Software app for Windows Phone 7 at this time.
For more background, see the UserVoice discussion: http://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-4/suggestions/510027-logos-on-windows-mobile
Is there a future date that we will have an app for the Windows Phone? Would love to access my books from my phone. We do not plan to develop a Logos Bible Software app for Windows Phone 7 at this time. For more background, see the UserVoice discussion: http://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-4/suggestions/510027-logos-on-windows-mobile
Following Bradley's link from Logos User Voice suggestion to Windows phone development suggestion => http://wpdev.uservoice.com/forums/110705-app-platform noticed 3rd and 4th suggestions (by number of votes) are related and "under review", which were posted on 28 Dec 2011.
With the future release of Windows Phone 8 being based on C++, surely this decision is likely to overturned?
I have trouble deciphering Logos cloudy-talk but this shifted about 3 weeks back. I don't remember the thread. But the dual support on W8 is likely to impact a lot of development plans.
Don't count on it. Again with such a small user base it does not make business sense to devote developmental resources to Windows phone.
This helps, but Microsoft is doing it by essentially throwing out today's Windows Phone 7.x platform and moving to a Windows 8 platform. So while we may have support for Windows 8 "Metro" (on tablet and phone), you'd probably need to be on a Windows 8 device. We will not be investing in the now-abandoned Windows Phone 7.x platform.
EXCITING! Buying the surface RT when its released. I cannot wait to see how your engineers build the metro Logos
Thanks Bob, you are your team are doing a great work, keep it up!
EXCITING! Buying the surface RT when its released. I cannot wait to see how your engineers build the metro Logos Thanks Bob, you are your team are doing a great work, keep it up!
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Did you see the word "may" in Bob's response?
Alabama ... I think you'd need to do an exegetical review of the usage of the Bob-ian 'may', whether it translates to 'probably won't', 'might', 'could' or possibly (but unlikely) 'probably will if our competitors force our hand.'
In my poor English Bob's "may" reads: "sure, we will do it." [:P]
In my poor English Bob's "may" reads: "sure, we will do it."
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I think die hard windows users have reason for optimism, but it is not yet known whether this attempt will be much more successful or not. The iPad mini may put a crimp in MSFT's plans yet.
Would love to see Logos on Windows Phone 8.
So, it's been quite a while since I've seen anything posted on future possibilities with WP (or RT). It seems apparent that Microsoft will be merging the RT & WP line into a unified mobile OS. So, that still leaves that admittedly small--but excited--user-base without any real app on par with iOS or Android Logos apps.
With the new MS unified app-building structure, and the Visual Studio changes that make so much of the development process a turn-key production, I can't for the life of me understand why Logos hates WP users so much. [:'(] It absolutely kills me that I have to try to go to biblia.com to even read a book that I own in Logos.
When Apple is STILL such a small percentage of the desktop environment (OS X has a 6.7% global usage rate in 2014), but Logos developed the ENTIRE desktop app for their OS, it seems like the "percentage of market" argument isn't one that is uniformly decisive. In fact, I'd wager the user base was even smaller when Logos made the decision. Small user bases can be worth it.
Windows Phone 8 won't be the next iOS or Android. But, it sure appears that MS is in it for the long haul. They purchased an entire hardware company to ensure it could continue. They've shown with XBOX that they're willing to financially prop up entire ecosystems until they turn into something bigger. The fear shouldn't be that MS will drop the system. The WP OS will be around for the foreseeable future. User percentages may not explode, but numbers of users will. Would a million users be enough? We're already there.
I know you're a business. And, you aren't in business to appease the vast minority. But, with the pieces that MS has put in place, it just seems hard to believe that there isn't anyone at Logos who could port the app and bless the rest of us with a mobile solution for our investment in your company.
Of course, I'll continue to use Logos on the desktop. There's no hostility or foment of mutiny. But, it sure would be nice to show my friends your product on my phone.
my two cents...Matt
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It absolutely kills me that I have to try to go to biblia.com to even read a book that I own in Logos.
There already is a simple app in the Windows store.
A couple of thoughts: Yes, OSX is a "small" user base... but it is one which spends a considerable amount of money on "tech." Second, Macs have a much stronger hold on college students (including seminary). In other words, the potential market for Logos is considerably higher than the 6.7% you quoted.
you aren't in business to appease the vast minority.
The "vast minority"? That is a new one to me. [:)]
with the pieces that MS has put in place, it just seems hard to believe that there isn't anyone at Logos who could port the app and bless the rest of us with a mobile solution for our investment in your company.
If it were already "real easy," Logos would have done it. If it becomes "real easy," Logos will do it. If the market can justify it, Logos will do it.
Side note: If I weren't a Mac / iOS user, I would be inclined to give a Nokia Windows phone a glance... It seems to be a good phone and i would be more inclined to go that route than an Android phone.
It absolutely kills me that I have to try to go to biblia.com to even read a book that I own in Logos. There already is a simple app in the Windows store.
But not one which can run on a Windows phone
It absolutely kills me that I have to try to go to biblia.com to even read a book that I own in Logos. There already is a simple app in the Windows store. But not one which can run on a Windows phone
And it should be added that the simple app in the Windows store is no longer being actively updated per Ed Ball's post in this thread: http://community.logos.com/forums/t/79889.aspx
That was a rather disappointing development for me since I would like to use the Windows store app on my Venue 8 Pro during church service and the full desktop app for study. As it stands now, I'm relegated to using Olive Tree during church service since the Windows store app is not up to par.
Logos feels like a massive company. They have so many great resources and many projects. But in the grand scheme Logos is a small company. They do great things but as I understand it are short staffed already on programers, and are very judicious with their time in devoting to new projects. The sad fact of the matter is Windows Phone 8 market share is going down not up. http://www.idc.com/prodserv/smartphone-os-market-share.jsp (it appears even more dismal when you look at over all mobile OS usage http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=8&qpcustomd=1) MS also did themselves no favours by making it hard to develop. In the Android and iOS worlds you make an app for the one it works on both. Logos did make a windows 8RT app, but as I had heard it is not easily transferable down to the windows 8 phone. MS unfortunately has not been successful in small consumer electronics. It would not surprise me to see Phone and RT disappear in a year or two.
-Dan
Logos feels like a massive company. They have so many great resources and many projects. But in the grand scheme Logos is a small company. They do great things but as I understand it are short staffed already on programers, and are very judicious with their time in devoting to new projects. The sad fact of the matter is Windows Phone 8 market share is going down not up. http://www.idc.com/prodserv/smartphone-os-market-share.jsp (it appears even more dismal when you look at over all mobile OS usage http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=8&qpcustomd=1) MS also did themselves no favours by making it hard to develop. In the Android and iOS worlds you make an app for the one it works on both. Logos did make a windows 8RT app, but as I had heard it is not easily transferable down to the windows 8 phone. MS unfortunately has not been successful in small consumer electronics. It would not surprise me to see Phone and RT disappear in a year or two. -Dan
Regardless of the future of Windows Phone, a solid Metro app on Windows 8.1 would be very helpful for those who own a tablet running full Windows. It may seen redundant to have both, but there is certainly a current need for both in today's small tablets. Perhaps Logos 6 will address the issue by incorporating better touch support and tablet interface features.
Perhaps Logos 6 will address the issue by incorporating better touch support and tablet interface features.
Just a guess, but it makes sense to me that better touch support is likely something we will see in future releases of Logos desktop apps. I continue to believe the current market share and market share trends do not support making an investment of time and resources in a WP app. Just MHO.
This is undoubtedly an important thing.and i do hope you get a touch friendly version of Logos soon. Windows tablets are not going anywhere and more and more desktops in the windows world will most likely move to touch screens more. You very well may be right in needing to wait till Logos 6 for that one. But stranger things have happened for all we know Logos 5.5 may have a switch on the tool bar to turn on and off a touch interface. Only the developers know [:S]
Everyone is so quick to mark MS out of the mobile market -- I'll believe it when I see it. I understand the problems with developing for RT, but I don't think Phone is going to be gone anytime soon. In fact, it's just going to take a couple of folks realizing how google uses the data off Andriod phones for a lot of people to dump it really fast.
Russ
Nope. They don't. Not for phones. That's the RT/Tablet reader app (which is an absolute nightmare to use).
I think I understand your point. But, that's largely an American, upper-class phenomenon, not a global market trend.
If it were already "real easy," Logos would have done it. If it becomes "real easy," Logos will do it. If the market can justify it, Logos will do it. Side note: If I weren't a Mac / iOS user, I would be inclined to give a Nokia Windows phone a glance... It seems to be a good phone and i would be more inclined to go that route than an Android phone.
You probably won't have time, but you could search for MS's last developer conference video. They showed companies porting graphically complex builds in less than a single week using migration software keyed specifically to apps built for iOS & Android. At least to me, it appears that the difficulty isn't in the build process but in the decision to do it.
You ought to come on over! Lumias are AMAZING phones. Far better hardware and OS than Apple or Google. But, alas, it's all about the apps isn't it.
I think the latest IDC reports are admittedly a bit troubling. But, they are not troubling in a "burning platform" way. It's my guess that there will actually be a modest uptick again later this year. There have been 4 new WP devices released in the past 2 weeks.
But, even if there were no immediate upturn, MS has shown extraordinary commitment to be a mobile device maker and to stay in the market. And, as they showed with pouring literally BILLIONS of dollars into the XBOX to compete against the then powers of Playstation and Wii, when they decide to stick to a path, they can be really persistent.
Every indication is that MS are sticking with making amazing phones with a great experience! I would just love to hear that after several years of the platform maturing, and the dev process getting cleaner and cleaner, that Logos is willing to provide a robust app for its users who prefer the Windows Phone platform.
Logos isn't interested in the percentage of market. They're interested in the percentage of their actual or potential users. Especially paying users. And that figure is bound to be much higher than the global usage rate for OS X. (Remember that the PC share is 'artificially' kept up by a huge number of people who use old PC's because that's all they can afford. Those people aren't exactly going to buy Logos.)
From a 2014 post that doesn't seem to exist any more:
"Logos was late to the Mac market, and we only went there when our users went there. (Not one user, or two users, but enough users that we could cover the development costs.)"
"Windows Phone [does] not yet have enough market share to justify this investment"
Yes I believe windows will maintain a phone presence. Windows has virtually no continuity. I had a windows 6 phone believing it to be superior to the design of the iPhone. It was as expensive as getting an iPhone but it had a slide out keypad, which for some reason i thought was important. I ends up virtual never using the keyboard. It frustrating me that the apps were poorly designed and the kick in the face that sent me to iPhone was the announcement Windows Phone 7 needs all new APPS will not be supported on any existing hardware. Now I know if you have an iPhone 1 generation you can not use current iOS or the latest APPS requiring more power, but you are not left in the dark generation to generation. Windows phone 8 apps are compatible with 7 or at leas 7.5 i know but again when 8 was announced i read no hardware will be upgradable to 8, not even the new flagship Windows Phone 7 they launched that very day of the announcement. Now people may have hacked an upgrade but I am not sure and I am in no way sure that Windows phone 9 or 10 will in no way be even compatible with 8 software simply because of the way they handled things in the past few years. And the X box is a prime example I know of people who refused to think about getting the new xbox because for the first time all your previous games were not playable on the new x box one. MS has long been criticized over it;s backward compatibility in desktop OS but that has been the reason the MS succeeded in OS... I still need to run Y i can; I can upgrade to X2000 without needing to buy a new system great (a new system will run it much better but still it can be done on my 2 year old system). Microsoft fool me once shame on you... fool me twice shame on me. I have seen the ethos of MS and it is not for me. I am not saying Apple's ethos is ideal but for me it is far better.
Which is what this thread is all about! [:)]
An interesting question -- I wonder how many people are _not_ buying Windows phones because some apps, such as Logos, aren't available on the platform? In other words, how much of the low numbers around the Windows phone platform is being caused by app developers saying, "well, Windows phone has such a small market share?" In other words, how much of this is a self fulfilling prophecy?
Second question -- in absolute terms, how many Windows phones have been sold in the last year or two?
Third -- what is Logos' commitment to abandoning Andriod if Nvidia wins its patent suit and forces most Samsung devices to stop shipping? If there's a set policy on percentage of market share, what is it, when it is triggered, etc.?
The IT industry is mostly a circus driven by hype, unfortunately. It's sad to see Logos get trapped in that hype on such a regular basis.
I wonder how many people are _not_ buying Windows phones because some apps, such as Logos, aren't available on the platform?
What came first the chicken or the egg? I think the biggest issue with many app developers is not only market share but how durable the market is. Blackberry was once the rage and they suffered as ios and android developed. For the foreseeable future ios and android are here to stay. The same thing cannot be said about the windows phone.
http://www.computerworld.com/article/2491229/smartphones/the-news-isn-t-good-for-windows-phone.html
http://www.zdnet.com/why-i-dont-recommend-windows-phone-smartphones-7000032242/
http://www.theverge.com/2014/7/22/5925947/microsoft-q4-2014-financial-earnings includes:
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The company reported selling 5.8 million Lumia phones and 30.3 million non-Lumia phones "following the completion of the NDS acquisition." Although that may look like a 21 percent drop for Lumia sales year over year, those sales numbers only account for two of the three months of this past quarter.
http://www.theverge.com/2014/8/14/6003427/windows-phone-sales-decline-q2-2014-idc includes
Android continues to grow with an increase in market share of 33.3 percent year-over-year thanks to 255 million shipments in the latest quarter. BlackBerry has been hit hardest, with a massive 78 percent drop in shipments year-over-year, from 6.7 million to just 1.5 million. Apple’s iPhone sales were up nearly 13 percent as the world patiently awaits the rumored iPhone 6 announcement.
IDC has worldwide shipment numbers as of Aug 2014 => http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS25037214 that shows Windows Phone declining in market share year over year. Caveat: iOS shipment numbers correlate to consumer purchases (compared to shipments from companies to stores).
Engadget review of Lumia 630 => http://www.engadget.com/2014/06/17/nokia-lumia-630-review/ is An affordable phone you can live without
By the way, Microsoft has Windows Phone End Support dates => http://support2.microsoft.com/lifecycle/search/default.aspx?sort=PN&alpha=windows+phone&Filter=FilterNO
Third -- what is Logos' commitment to abandoning Andriod if Nvidia wins its patent suit and forces most Samsung devices to stop shipping?
Watching => http://www.cnet.com/news/nvidia-alleges-samsung-qualcomm-infringed-gpu-patents/
Aware of legal precedent of denying injunction for smartphone patent copying => http://macdailynews.com/2014/08/27/judge-lucy-koh-denies-apple-request-for-injunction-vs-samsung-phones-tablets/
Litigation takes years => http://www.cnet.com/news/apple-v-samsung-sorry-but-its-not-over-yet/
Profitability is an Android issue => http://www.quora.com/Android-OS/Is-Android-doomed
For the foreseeable future ios and android are here to stay. The same thing cannot be said about the windows phone.
With all respect Fred, I think Windows Phone mobile system is here to stay also. The reason I see in the fact that people do not buy just smartphone but use whole platform. With some right moves with Windows 10 plus tablets plus Windows Phone, I think we will see Microsoft with their smartphones to stay. It is good for all of us to have 3 main players on the market.
P.S. And, by the way, WP8 is by far the best OS for smartphone [:)].
