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  • Andrew Baguley
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  • abondservant
    abondservant Member Posts: 4,796 ✭✭✭

    You may want to add "Do the collections automatically update" to your faq :)

    Welcome back brother.

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  • Andrew Baguley
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    MJ. Smith said:

    The structure of the Congregational entries confuses me.

    In the case of the Evangelical Free Church of America, if I recall correctly the EFCA merged with the Congregational Church. In the case of the United Church of Christ, the Congregational Church merged into the UCC. The two entries have opposite relationships. However, there is a larger question - what relationship is being shown by the denominational stream - history of theology or church ecumenical history?

    There's no doubt it gets messy at times with merges and splits.  The relationship generally represents ecumenical history, but if a church has moved away from its roots, then it may be better represented in a different way.  I accept its a little subjective in places, which is one reason I invite feedback, In the case of the UCC, it seems that Congregational best defines them.  Although Evangelical churches merged into the UCC, it may be best described as Mainline now.  Its denominational stream could be Reformed, but Congregational seems a better fit.

    Regarding the EFCA, I'm not sure it merged with the Congregational Church.  This doesn't seem to be represented on its website (http://www.efca.org/explore/who-we-are).  They seem to be happy with the Evangelical label, and that seems to best represent them as a church.  When I first started this, polity seemed to be more important, so I would have labelled EFCA Congregational.  Now Evangelical seems a better fit.  I'd especially welcome feedback from someone within the EFCA.

  • Andrew Baguley
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    MJ. Smith said:

    What is the thinking for making Arminianism a denomination rather than a theological stance? And if a person gives a parachurch as their denomination, is it really a parachurch anymore?

    That may be the result of a glitch in the code at the time you wrote.  I made a change to the data, which affected how the code ran and it temporarily showed Theologies as Denominations in some cases.  Only Grotius and Arminius are currently labelled under Arminian.  This seemed to be what best defined them at the time, but I'm open to other suggestions.

    Regarding parachurches, this label only applies to the Christian and Missionary Alliance, which grew into a denomination but was originally a parachurch organisation.  When I first labelled it, I was focusing on its early history.  Maybe I should change it to Evangelical, which probably better represents where it sits as a denomination today.

    More generally, I'm aware a review of the categories is overdue.  They morphed quite a bit when the project first began.  I think most of them are right, but a few could still be tweaked.

  • abondservant
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    C&MA is in it self a denomination - though I don't think they would mind being lumped in with others under evangelical. I attended a C&MA 4 year school that proudly declared themselves non-denominational and evangelical. Most of my professors bore out this interdenominationalism in that I had Southern Baptist (not SBC convention is something we do once a year ;) ), Presbyterian, C&MA, a Mennonite and a oneness pentecostal math teacher (they wouldn't let her teach theology which burned her biscuits). 

    They are Arminian in their theology; and likely could be left as simply C&MA (as opposed to parachurch). I have maybe 20 or 30 titles I think?

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  • Andrew Baguley
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    All of the groups at https://faithlife.com/logos-library-theology-denomination-tags/documents have just been updated.  This reflects the changes in the spreadsheet: 7853.Denominations and Theology 01 July 2014.zip

    It includes 1686 new authors.  651 more authors have been categorised and 1334 countries, 612 Years of Birth and 1372 Years of Death have been added, all of which is now recorded on the Notes worksheet.

    The Christian and Missionary Alliance is now Evangelical, rather than Parachurch.

    The reference guide is here: 5367.Theology and Denomination Tag Reference.doc

  • Andrew Baguley
    Andrew Baguley Member Posts: 641 ✭✭✭

    You may want to add "Do the collections automatically update" to your faq :)

    Welcome back brother.

    Thanks for the suggestion.  If I'm honest, I've never been overly sure about the updates.  When I look at https://faithlife.com/logos-library-theology-denomination-tags/documents after making changes in Logos, it says that the document was changed x minutes ago, but when I look under Manage Your Documents, it says that my groups do not have the latest update, so I then click publish update on each one (which is tedious for this many collections).  I assume that they then update automatically for everyone, but I didn't want to document it without checking.  Does it definitely update automatically?  Do I really have to click on each one, then click publish update?  When I know the answers, I'll add it to the reference guide.

    A belated thanks for the "Welcome Back".  [:)]

  • Bruce Dunning
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    What a labor of love! Thanks so much Andrew.

    From my perspective as long as you update your copy of the document the changes are automatically applied to each collection.

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  • abondservant
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    Not to nit pick but the southern baptist denomination is simply: Southern Baptist. Convention is an activity our denomination participates in, so it would be like calling catholics "catholic massers" or something like that.

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  • abondservant
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    Also - adding "Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary","Golden Gate Baptist","Midwestern Baptist" to both the baptist, and southern baptist collections picked up an additional twenty titles. I happened to notice only three of the six southern baptist seminaries were listed and thought it may be good to include them all.

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  • Andrew Baguley
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    What a labor of love! Thanks so much Andrew.

    From my perspective as long as you update your copy of the document the changes are automatically applied to each collection.

    Thanks for the encouragement, Bruce, and for the feedback regarding making changes.  

  • Andrew Baguley
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    Words, words, words...  I know you're not nit-picking and that denomination is a word that many will deny even in "the word's most general meaning" (though the SBC website does accept this definition: http://www.sbc.net/aboutus/acloserlook.asp).  One problem is that there is no widely accepted word for trying to describe a church group/organization/body...  

    When I started, I was often using the Wikipedia definitions.  If I type "Southern Baptist" into Google then the Wikipedia entry comes up in summary form on the right of my screen saying "The Southern Baptist Convention is a United States-based Christian denomination."  I don't use the word Convention for the search.  In the spreadsheet, the category is generally an adjective (e.g. Lutheran, Pre-Reformation, Anglican) and the subcategory is the more specific body (e.g. Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod, United Methodist Church, Anglican Church of Australia).  However, this is not a hard and fast rule and should probably be tidied up at some stage.  For example, to keep subcategories short, the word Church is often omitted (e.g. Seventh-day Adventist).  To me, Southern Baptist is the adjective, Southern Baptist Convention is the body.  To keep it short, "Southern Baptist" could be used, as it is suitably unambiguous.  I may yet change it at some point when I tidy the category and subcategory lists.  I'll try to change a number at the same time though to prevent constant change.

  • Andrew Baguley
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    Also - adding "Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary","Golden Gate Baptist","Midwestern Baptist" to both the baptist, and southern baptist collections picked up an additional twenty titles. I happened to notice only three of the six southern baptist seminaries were listed and thought it may be good to include them all.

    Thanks for the feedback.  Out of interest, which resources are brought up by Author:("Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary","Golden Gate Baptist","Midwestern Baptist")?  The Logos website doesn't seem to suggest any resources where these are the authors.

  • Rosie Perera
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    Southern Baptist (not SBC convention is something we do once a year ;) )

    abondservant said:

    Not to nit pick but the southern baptist denomination is simply: Southern Baptist. Convention is an activity our denomination participates in, so it would be like calling catholics "catholic massers" or something like that.

    Southern Baptist Convention (aka SBC) is the official name of the denomination, as their website (sbc.net) confirms:

    As Andrew later points out, Convention isn't strictly necessary to identify it, since Southern Baptist is suitably unique.

    Another word sometimes used for a denomination is a conference. Even though conference can also mean an event (like convention can) it too also means a grouping of like-minded churches, as in the Conservative Congregational Christian Conference (CCCC), of which the church I grew up in was a member.

  • abondservant
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    i added them where the other schools are listed - under publisher if I remember right. I think the have been journal articles? As to the name - I've never heard it referred to with "convention" on the end other than as initials. Internally I've only heard it called southern baptist. In either case I can respond with more detail when I leave here and head back to civilization

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  • Jack Caviness
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    Internally I've only heard it called southern baptist.

    That's true, but the official name is still Southern Baptist Convention. Most of us shorten that to Southern Baptist or simply SBC.

  • abondservant
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    Oddly enough if you click on the image in my last post it shows it right side up, but the forum software displays it sideways. Weird.

    Any way, I'll defer to Jack et al on this, if you want to keep calling us Southern Baptist Convention I'll not complain.

    As to the seminaries, they were definitely added under publisher. I added "ANDNOT Edition:User" to eliminate the possibility of the change picking up personal books, same number of books added with or without PB's included (and later deleted that to keep my rules inline with those of the spread sheet).

    Finally I am happy to report that other than Perseus I am down to 368 titles that are not yet in the spreadsheet.

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  • Jack Caviness
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    Any way, I'll defer to Jack et al on this, if you want to keep calling us Southern Baptist Convention I'll not complain.

    Interestingly enough, just yesterday my Pastor mentioned one of his professors saying that the Southern Baptist Convention only existed for two days a year. So your original interpretation is also held by others, even though the official web page reflects the full name. The North American Mission Board's mission statement begins, "The estimated 46,000 autonomous churches that cooperate together with the Southern Baptist Convention pool their resources to support the work of the North American Mission Board." With that many Baptists, we are certain to find multiple opinions. [:D]

    After all, as the old proverb states, "Assemble 6 Baptists for a business meeting, and you are guaranteed to have at least 9 different opinions." [;)]

  • abondservant
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    Any way, I'll defer to Jack et al on this, if you want to keep calling us Southern Baptist Convention I'll not complain.

    Interestingly enough, just yesterday my Pastor mentioned one of his professors saying that the Southern Baptist Convention only existed for two days a year. So your original interpretation is also held by others, even though the official web page reflects the full name. The North American Mission Board's mission statement begins, "The estimated 46,000 autonomous churches that cooperate together with the Southern Baptist Convention pool their resources to support the work of the North American Mission Board." With that many Baptists, we are certain to find multiple opinions. Big Smile

    After all, as the old proverb states, "Assemble 6 Baptists for a business meeting, and you are guaranteed to have at least 9 different opinions." Wink

    I wonder if we had the same professor :), Dr. Akin said something to that effect in one of the classes I've taken with him.


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  • Andrew Baguley
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    The latest edition of the spreadsheet is: 6866.Denominations and Theology - 03 August 2014.zip

    The reference guide is here: 3162.Theology and Denomination Tag Reference.doc

    Sadly, there has been no time to add new authors this month, but the structure has been changed so that MJs suggestions regarding Catholics have been incorporated, with a column added for religious orders.  

    Also, after the last update, it was clear that there was a problem with the autofilter as the large number of authors has now exceeded the character limit for a cell in Excel (32,767).  This meant that larger groups, such as Infant Baptism, no longer worked properly.  For this reason, three new theologies (Infant Baptism, Believers' Baptism and Mainline) have been added, based on the denominations that authors are associated with.  The columns have disappeared from the Authors worksheet, and the names of the collections are now called "Church Theology: Infant Baptism", etc. to reflect this change.  This better reflects how authors have been associated with the theologies and the corresponding data is in a new worksheet called Theology by Denom.  It is far from complete or perfect so, as always, corrections, suggestions and additions are welcome.

  • abondservant
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    Might I suggest adding any resource with "Free Will Baptist" or "general baptist" in the title into the arminian group.

    Ed Stetzer is southern baptist, he's a professor on campus and head of lifeway research.

    C.I Scofield has a single title that is picked up erroneously by the pentacostal collection because he has a single book through the Gospel Publishing house.

    I think I mentioned this in the past, but Charles Stanley was the president of the SBC... He should definitely be in that collection.

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  • David Ames
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    This post is a blatant attempt to raise my post count as I have double posted it.

    A Question that has been asked is:


    I think one question is that If the person that Biblical researcher does not believe the Book of the Bible is the true Word of God, then what is the real value of any research he/she does with the Bible. Is it pointless to read what the person has to say?

    I'm just thinking out loud. What is your view on this?

    What is the point of a commentary from someone that doesn't believe the truth of scripture?

    Found at: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/82802/626277.aspx#626277  

    Also there is a thread that allows us to create collections by denomination

    Theology/Denomination Tags

    Found at: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/82802/626277.aspx#626277  

    Maybe what we need is a collection of authors that don't believe the truth of scripture?

  • abondservant
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  • Andrew Baguley
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    Might I suggest adding any resource with "Free Will Baptist" or "general baptist" in the title into the arminian group.

    Ed Stetzer is southern baptist, he's a professor on campus and head of lifeway research.

    C.I Scofield has a single title that is picked up erroneously by the pentacostal collection because he has a single book through the Gospel Publishing house.

    I think I mentioned this in the past, but Charles Stanley was the president of the SBC... He should definitely be in that collection.

    Thanks for the suggestions, abondservant.  I've added Ed Stetzer and entered Peter Ainslie's Denomination.  Charles Stanley was in the spreadsheet, but as Charles F. Stanley, so I've removed the F. in case that was the problem.  Hopefully you can wait for the next major edit before I refresh the published categories and spreadsheet.

    I'm not sure about adding title suggestions, such as "Free Will Baptist", as that would include resources about Free Will Baptists, and not just resources written from that perspective.  If we can try to keep to Authors, it would be easier.

    I'm not sure about removing Publisher = Gospel Publishing from the Pentecostal category if it's only for one book.  What were you suggesting?

  • Andrew Baguley
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    This post is a blatant attempt to raise my post count as I have double posted it.

    A Question that has been asked is:


    I think one question is that If the person that Biblical researcher does not believe the Book of the Bible is the true Word of God, then what is the real value of any research he/she does with the Bible. Is it pointless to read what the person has to say?

    I'm just thinking out loud. What is your view on this?

    What is the point of a commentary from someone that doesn't believe the truth of scripture?

    Found at: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/82802/626277.aspx#626277  

    Also there is a thread that allows us to create collections by denomination

    Theology/Denomination Tags

    Found at: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/82802/626277.aspx#626277  

    Maybe what we need is a collection of authors that don't believe the truth of scripture?

    Thanks, David.  I'm not sure how subjective this is though.  If you can find a way to define a category that all of the authors in the category would be happy with, then I'd be happy to add it.

  • abondservant
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    Might I suggest adding any resource with "Free Will Baptist" or "general baptist" in the title into the arminian group.

    Ed Stetzer is southern baptist, he's a professor on campus and head of lifeway research.

    C.I Scofield has a single title that is picked up erroneously by the pentacostal collection because he has a single book through the Gospel Publishing house.

    I think I mentioned this in the past, but Charles Stanley was the president of the SBC... He should definitely be in that collection.

    Thanks for the suggestions, abondservant.  I've added Ed Stetzer and entered Peter Ainslie's Denomination.  Charles Stanley was in the spreadsheet, but as Charles F. Stanley, so I've removed the F. in case that was the problem.  Hopefully you can wait for the next major edit before I refresh the published categories and spreadsheet.

    I'm not sure about adding title suggestions, such as "Free Will Baptist", as that would include resources about Free Will Baptists, and not just resources written from that perspective.  If we can try to keep to Authors, it would be easier.

    I'm not sure about removing Publisher = Gospel Publishing from the Pentecostal category if it's only for one book.  What were you suggesting?

    Suggesting excluding the one title from the collection. As I recall a simple minus sign and then book title in quotes should suffice. -"whatever the book was called" - or else switch the book title for the authors name. Thus -scofield would likely also work.

    Placed appropriately, that should suffice.

    Also Dennis Gordon Lindsay is pentecostal/Charismatic. You may click the link and think "why am I on the page for CFNI"? DGL is president of CFNI, and his father founded it. He himself is careful not to mention a denominational affiliation, but his school in their code of moral conduct refers to the school as having "Pentecostal, charismatic and evangelical roots".


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  • abondservant
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    This post is a blatant attempt to raise my post count as I have double posted it.

    A Question that has been asked is:


    I think one question is that If the person that Biblical researcher does not believe the Book of the Bible is the true Word of God, then what is the real value of any research he/she does with the Bible. Is it pointless to read what the person has to say?

    I'm just thinking out loud. What is your view on this?

    What is the point of a commentary from someone that doesn't believe the truth of scripture?

    Found at: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/82802/626277.aspx#626277  

    Also there is a thread that allows us to create collections by denomination

    Theology/Denomination Tags

    Found at: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/82802/626277.aspx#626277  

    Maybe what we need is a collection of authors that don't believe the truth of scripture?

    Thanks, David.  I'm not sure how subjective this is though.  If you can find a way to define a category that all of the authors in the category would be happy with, then I'd be happy to add it.

    Not sure people would jump out of the woodwork and claim that title David. We can create a positive group of people who are overt in their affirmation of the truth of scripture.

    One might use the Chicago statement on innerancy as a line in the sand. Here is a list of those who signed it. Those who didn't sign it may or may not be strong or weak. Thus the list is not complete - but its a start. Also a number of people who write now, were born after its 1979 signing... So this is just a start. However, there are quite a few that likely have a presence in our libraries. INCL R.C. Sproul, Norman Geisler,Carl F.H. Henry, MacArthur, John Frame, Frank Gaebelein etc.

    Some quick detective work turned up a second list of ministries that have affiliated themselves with CSBI - 9marks, Crossway Publishing (sbc), Banner of Truth, LIgionier ministries, Masters Theological Seminary, P&R Publishing, Reformed Theological Seminary, Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, Truth Remains (publishers of old bibles iirc), and Westminster Theological Seminary. Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary is also VERY strong on infallibility and inerancy. For that matter, you can probably add any Southern Baptist Convention scholarship in the last 20 or so years to the list. As well as the following folks that were listed as bloggers on the CSBI website (Inerrantword.com)



    Perhaps everyone would be happier with a catholic and protestant list of those strong on inerrancy.

    EDIT #2 - I've typed up about 200 of the 300+ signers names... I won't have time this week to check them vs what logos sells... But I will post them here once finished.

    Edit #3 I seem to notice a lot of overlap between signers of the CSBI and people who are associated with the Gospel Coalition. Which if I am remembering right expelled an individual for being weak here. Which I suppose might give us a name for a negative list should someone start one.

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  • NB.Mick
    NB.Mick MVP Posts: 16,159

    Infallibility is the strongest of the words describing the inspiration of scripture. Not only is it true, it can't be wrong. Inerantist says it isn't wrong, but it could have been

    dear bondservant.

    while any discussion of the remainder of your post would probably better be held at christiandiscourse.com, let me just throw in that I have read multiple times - including from sources named by you - a different ranking, where inerrancy is thought of as the strongest of ways describing this idea, and infallibility as somewhat less (!).

    We could try and find definitions in our Logos libraries (or wait for KS4J to do so in his unique manner), I just wanted to remark lest others be unnecessarily confused.

    Mick

    Have joy in the Lord! Smile

  • abondservant
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    NB.Mick said:

    Infallibility is the strongest of the words describing the inspiration of scripture. Not only is it true, it can't be wrong. Inerantist says it isn't wrong, but it could have been

    dear bondservant.

    while any discussion of the remainder of your post would probably better be held at christiandiscourse.com, let me just throw in that I have read multiple times - including from sources named by you - a different ranking, where inerrancy is thought of as the strongest of ways describing this idea, and infallibility as somewhat less (!).

    We could try and find definitions in our Logos libraries (or wait for KS4J to do so in his unique manner), I just wanted to remark lest others be unnecessarily confused.

    Mick

    You're right of course, I misspoke. I amended my post. I also adjusted the language somewhat dropping the heretic reference - even though it was in jest.

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  • abondservant
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  • abondservant
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    New Southern Baptist Subcategory. Its important and influential. Even today its considered when the baptist faith and message is updated.

    Landmarkism was a subset of the SBC that came about as a response to the Stone-Campbell movement.

    Citing Dr. Nathan Finn (professor of baptist history at SEBTS), the following groups and individuals are current/past authors tied to landmarkism. I can email you an excerpt from the notes, but I'm not allowed to post them publicly.

    Proto-Landmark: Benjamin Keach, Thomas Crosby, Andrew Fuller (these three are english baptists), Isaac Backus, Jesse Mercer, (both Americans).

    Landmarkists: J.M. Carroll, J.R. Graves, Paige Patterson (much of his writtings were, and he had this as a requirement for employment at the seminaries he led for a time, this position he has since largely backed away from), G. H. Orchard, J. M. Cramp, William Cathcart, Adam Taylor and D. B. Ray, Ben M. Bogard, J. M. Pendleton, A. C. Dayton, much of the publications of the Baptist Bible Board (led by Dayton, and pre-curser to the Baptist Sunday School Board, now lifeway), William H. Whitsitt (who later in life rejected aspects of landmarkism), American Baptists. 

    A key component of this is Baptist Successionism - the linked wiki article names most of these people. Landmarkism Wiki page lists two names. But as I said, most are in the notes packet from my prof, that I can't post to the internet (though I will email a short excerpt for this purposes to Andrew if he wants).

    Had to reinstall windows on my PC, and seem to have lost my excell spreadsheet with the names of the signers of the CSBI, will reproduce it as I can. 

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  • abondservant
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    Another Subset of the SBC.

    Anti-Missions Baptists (more accurately Anti-Mission Society, but that isn't what history calls them).
    John Leland, John Taylor, Daniel Parker, Two Seed in the Spirit Predestinarian Baptists (now Primitive Baptists - who I should add are calvinist),  Alexander Campbell (who went on to form his own denomination subsequent to his involvement with Baptists),

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  • abondservant
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    John D. Barry Faithlife Author was the president of a Reformed church. I found his faithlife profile, followed the link to the churches page, and then found the denomination. However, I asked him specifically what denomination he's a part of, and what he said is in the third image.



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  • abondservant
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    I can understand not wanting to be tied to any particular position, but that is quite unhelpful to this project. I know I will be listing him as reformed/christian reformed church in my own library.

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  • Dr. Charles A. Wootten
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    Just a note to remind everyone to double check the spelling of the Bible books. I just found misspellings in Pauline Prison Epistles, Pauline Epistles, and a couple others with respect to Colossians and Philippians (and probably others). I found the errors when updating my Romans collection from a recent purchase.

    God bless

    {charley}

    running Logos Bible Software 6.0a: Collector's Edition on HP e9220y (AMD Phenom II X4 2.60GHz 8.00GB 64-bit Win 7 Pro SP1) & iPad (mini) apps.

  • abondservant
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  • Jim R. Keener
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    I love this one since this is where my core beliefs are centered.

    Jim R. Keener

     

  • abondservant
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  • abondservant
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    Just a note to remind everyone to double check the spelling of the Bible books. I just found misspellings in Pauline Prison Epistles, Pauline Epistles, and a couple others with respect to Colossians and Philippians (and probably others). I found the errors when updating my Romans collection from a recent purchase.

    God bless

    {charley}

    If you're speaking in reference to the thread, then Andrew double checks things before they go live.

    If you're speaking of the live product, only Andrew (whom we haven't seen in three months) can adjust them.

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  • Andrew Baguley
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    Also Dennis Gordon Lindsay is pentecostal/Charismatic. You may click the link and think "why am I on the page for CFNI"? DGL is president of CFNI, and his father founded it. He himself is careful not to mention a denominational affiliation, but his school in their code of moral conduct refers to the school as having "Pentecostal, charismatic and evangelical roots".

    Apologies for the long absence.  I've added Dennis Gordon Lindsay and will publish the updates in the next 24 hours or so.

  • Andrew Baguley
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    New Southern Baptist Subcategory. Its important and influential. Even today its considered when the baptist faith and message is updated.

    Landmarkism was a subset of the SBC that came about as a response to the Stone-Campbell movement.

    Citing Dr. Nathan Finn (professor of baptist history at SEBTS), the following groups and individuals are current/past authors tied to landmarkism. I can email you an excerpt from the notes, but I'm not allowed to post them publicly.

    Proto-Landmark: Benjamin Keach, Thomas Crosby, Andrew Fuller (these three are english baptists), Isaac Backus, Jesse Mercer, (both Americans).

    Landmarkists: J.M. Carroll, J.R. Graves, Paige Patterson (much of his writtings were, and he had this as a requirement for employment at the seminaries he led for a time, this position he has since largely backed away from), G. H. Orchard, J. M. Cramp, William Cathcart, Adam Taylor and D. B. Ray, Ben M. Bogard, J. M. Pendleton, A. C. Dayton, much of the publications of the Baptist Bible Board (led by Dayton, and pre-curser to the Baptist Sunday School Board, now lifeway), William H. Whitsitt (who later in life rejected aspects of landmarkism), American Baptists. 

    A key component of this is Baptist Successionism - the linked wiki article names most of these people. Landmarkism Wiki page lists two names. But as I said, most are in the notes packet from my prof, that I can't post to the internet (though I will email a short excerpt for this purposes to Andrew if he wants).

    Had to reinstall windows on my PC, and seem to have lost my excell spreadsheet with the names of the signers of the CSBI, will reproduce it as I can. 

    Thanks, abondservant.

    According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baptist_successionism, "It is now identified primarily with Landmarkism, though not exclusively so."  By this I understand that they are not the same and would need separate categories.  If you have very clear lists of authors available in Logos for each (e.g. Is J M Carroll a Logos author?), and the lists are of a reasonable length, preferably with evidence that can be checked on the web, then I can add them to the spreadsheet.  The Landmarkists should be people who definitely were not in, or withdrew from, the SBC and were in an independent tradition.

    Hope that's clear and helpful.  I'm grateful for the work you put into this, abondservant.

  • Andrew Baguley
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    Another Subset of the SBC.

    Anti-Missions Baptists (more accurately Anti-Mission Society, but that isn't what history calls them).
    John Leland, John Taylor, Daniel Parker, Two Seed in the Spirit Predestinarian Baptists (now Primitive Baptists - who I should add are calvinist),  Alexander Campbell (who went on to form his own denomination subsequent to his involvement with Baptists),

    Are these Logos authors, abondservant?  I couldn't find John Leland and Daniel Parker at www.logos.com.

  • Andrew Baguley
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    John D. Barry Faithlife Author was the president of a Reformed church. I found his faithlife profile, followed the link to the churches page, and then found the denomination. However, I asked him specifically what denomination he's a part of, and what he said is in the third image.

    I've added John D. Barry.  The classification seems accurate, but if he asks me to remove him, I will.

  • Andrew Baguley
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    Just a note to remind everyone to double check the spelling of the Bible books. I just found misspellings in Pauline Prison Epistles, Pauline Epistles, and a couple others with respect to Colossians and Philippians (and probably others). I found the errors when updating my Romans collection from a recent purchase.

    God bless

    {charley}

    I'm not sure whether this is a criticism of anything in this project, Charley.  If so, please could you be more specific and I'll be sure to make the corrections?  Thanks for the input.

  • Andrew Baguley
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    Assemblies of God should be added to Believers Baptism (Immersion).

    http://www.ag.org/pentecostal-evangel/Articles2002/foundational_five.cfm

    Evangelical Free Church as well.

    http://www.ag.org/pentecostal-evangel/Articles2002/foundational_five.cfm

    Thanks again, abondservant.  I think both of these are already listed as Believers Baptism.  There isn't yet a category for Full Immersion only.  As always, if it's worth a new category, I could add one.  Please provide details.

  • abondservant
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    Assemblies of God should be added to Believers Baptism (Immersion).

    http://www.ag.org/pentecostal-evangel/Articles2002/foundational_five.cfm

    Evangelical Free Church as well.

    http://www.ag.org/pentecostal-evangel/Articles2002/foundational_five.cfm

    Thanks again, abondservant.  I think both of these are already listed as Believers Baptism.  There isn't yet a category for Full Immersion only.  As always, if it's worth a new category, I could add one.  Please provide details.

    I wouldn't have mentioned it if I hadn't seen an evfree, and AOG author that was falling through the cracks :). As to who? I can't remember now. I just took it to mean none of them were.

    L2 lvl4 (...) WORDsearch, all the way through L10,

  • Andrew Baguley
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    Assemblies of God should be added to Believers Baptism (Immersion).

    http://www.ag.org/pentecostal-evangel/Articles2002/foundational_five.cfm

    Evangelical Free Church as well.

    http://www.ag.org/pentecostal-evangel/Articles2002/foundational_five.cfm

    Thanks again, abondservant.  I think both of these are already listed as Believers Baptism.  There isn't yet a category for Full Immersion only.  As always, if it's worth a new category, I could add one.  Please provide details.

    I wouldn't have mentioned it if I hadn't seen an evfree, and AOG author that was falling through the cracks :). As to who? I can't remember now. I just took it to mean none of them were.

    Are you remembering that this is now done by denomination?  The relevant collection is now called "Church Theology: Believers Baptism".  There were just too many individual authors for Excel to cope with otherwise (see https://community.logos.com/forums/p/54491/613856.aspx#613856).

  • Andrew Baguley
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    The latest edition of the spreadsheet is: 5466.Denominations and Theology 09 November 2014.zip

    The reference guide is here: 1641.Theology and Denomination Tag Reference.doc

    Sadly, there has been little time for me to add many new authors from my own research, but I think I have added all of the suggestions so far from crowdsourcing.  Feel free to make suggestions, corrections, etc. and I'll try to add them as soon as I can.  Thanks to Logos and Ray Deck III for mentioning us on the blog again (https://blog.logos.com/2014/11/4-faithlife-groups-you-should-join-today/).  The Faithlife Group (https://faithlife.com/logos-library-theology-denomination-tags/about) is now up to 835 members.