New Search: {Milestone}
What is it?
"Milestones" are how Logos resources are organized; if you type a reference into the reference box (at the top-left of a resource panel), you're navigating to that milestone within the resource. Logos 6 introduces "{Milestone <Reference>}" search syntax to find these milestones in search results.
How does it work?
While <John 3:16> finds all references to John 3:16, {Milestone <John 3:16>} finds all instances of John 3:16; these could be that verse in a Bible, or a discussion of that verse in a commentary. (This search basically returns the same results as the Commentaries section in the Passage Guide.)
You can use any reference supported by the resources in your library; for example, {Milestone <ApostolicFathers I Clement 1>} finds all texts that include 1 Clem 1.
Comments
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While <John 3:16> finds all references to John 3:16, {Milestone <John 3:16>} finds all instances of John 3:16; these could be that verse in a Bible, or a discussion of that verse in a commentary.
I have to confess that I don't understand the difference. Are "all instances" a superset of "all references"? If so, what distinguishes an "instance" from a "reference"?
Thanks,
Donnie
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"Instances" are what "references" are referring to.
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Donnie Hale said:
an "instance"
An "instance" is where a particular verse (etc) appears - such as a particular verse in a Bible
Donnie Hale said:a "reference"?
A "reference" is where that particular verse (etc) is referred to elsewhere.
So if "John 1:1" appeared in a paragraph in a monograph this is a reference and would be picked up when running a search for <John 1:1>
But it isn't actually John 1:1 and so wouldn't be returned in a Milestone search.
Does this help?
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Jeff Jackson said:
"Instances" are what "references" are referring to.
Doesn't help. Sorry.
Can you give a specific example? Something that a citation search in prior versions wouldn't find that a milestone would, and how it's helpful? I'm pushing on this because I use citation searches a lot - it's one of my favorite features. This explanation hasn't yet penetrated my aging brain.
Thanks again,
Donnie
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Donnie Hale said:I have to confess that I don't understand the difference. Are "all instances" a superset of "all references"? If so, what distinguishes an "instance" from a "reference"?
"In John 3:16, John discusses..." is a reference to John 3:16. "For God so loved the world..." is an instance of John 3:16.
These two searches find two different types of texts. Try clicking the links in my original post and observing the difference.
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"For God so loved the world..." is an instance of John 3:16.
You're saying that an "instance" is the text itself, a full (or partial?) quotation of what is referenced? And thus a milestone search finds such texts, even if the reference isn't mentioned within the context (if it were, a citation search would have found it)?
Thanks,
Donnie
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Here's the difference:
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Donnie Hale said:
"For God so loved the world..." is an instance of John 3:16.
You're saying that an "instance" is the text itself, a full (or partial?) quotation of what is referenced? And thus a milestone search finds such texts, even if the reference isn't mentioned within the context (if it were, a citation search would have found it)?
A "Milestone" is like an address. In a book that is indexed by Scripture reference (such as a commentary), you can jump to a milestone by typing the reference (e.g., John 3:16) into the reference box.
A "Reference" (in the context of searching) is a mention of a verse reference ("John 3:16") somewhere in the text.
So if you search for Milestone John 3:16 you're going to find not only John 3:16 in all your Bibles but also the places where John 3:16 is the "address" of what's found there (e.g., commentaries).
If you search for John 3:16 as a Reference, you're going to find all the places that mention the book, chapter, verse number (in any way that Logos recognizes as a legitimate Scripture reference: e.g. John 3:16, or Jn 3:16, or John 3.16, etc.). This will not include Bibles, because Bibles never mention the references, they only have the text that appears at that "address".
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I do not have the milestone unlocked. When clicking on Bradley example (which launches Logos) I get a regular search. What am I doing wrong?
Mission: To serve God as He desires.
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Here is what I am seeing:
Missing is the Everything Selection as per Bradley's post. Was it changed to all resources?
Mission: To serve God as He desires.
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Lynden Williams said:
Missing is the Everything Selection as per Bradley's post. Was it changed to all resources?
Bradley's post has "Entire Library" - and it does look as though this is now shown as "All Resources"
Apart from that you seem to be getting the expected results.
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I have been using this feature along with "inline searching" in WBC, which is a very frustrating commentary to find stuff.....works great!
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Correct me if I am wrong, but it appears to me Milestone adds the search features to individual resources?
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Gary Butner said:
Correct me if I am wrong, but it appears to me Milestone adds the search features to individual resources?
I'm not sure I understand your question.
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Mark Barnes said:Gary Butner said:
Correct me if I am wrong, but it appears to me Milestone adds the search features to individual resources?
I'm not sure I understand your question.
It appears to me Milestone allows the user to restrict his search to the one open resource, instead of searching all resources in the library, correct?
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Gary Butner said:
Correct me if I am wrong, but it appears to me Milestone adds the search features to individual resources?
No it doesn't restrict to individual resources but you certainly could if you wanted. The key for me was Bradley's example:
For God so loved the world..." is an instance of John 3:16. An instance for the milestone search is the text itself or text that is discussing the verse.
Consider the following search from the resource "the bible guide:
and compare this with a reference search in the same resource.
Does this help any?
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Gary Butner said:
It appears to me Milestone allows the user to restrict his search to the one open resource, instead of searching all resources in the library, correct?
As Bob says, that's not correct.
Let me give you an example that's I've just used for tonight's study. I was speaking about angels, and I wanted to say a little something about guardian angels. I was particularly interested in what commentators said about guardian angels in relation to Matthew 18:10 ("in heaven their angels always see the face of my Father").
So, I searched for "guardian angel" WITHIN {Milestone <Matt 18:10>}. That looks for the phrase "guardian angel", but in the part of commentaries/bible that are dealing with Matthew 18:10. It excludes commentaries on Matthew 18:10 that don't discuss guardian angels, and it excludes books that speak about guardian angels in other contexts. It got me instantly to exactly what I wanted.
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That's great Mark. So the benefit is: greater precision?
How is this search different from:
<bible=Mt 18:10>"guardian angel"
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Ron Corbett said:
<bible=Mt 18:10>"guardian angel"
This searches for where that particular verse is referenced - and the same article contains the phrase "guardian angel".
It doesn't force Logos to constrain itself to articles which are explicitly focusing on that verse. So you get hits in Systematic Theology works which reference the verse in a section which also refers to guardian angels, for example
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Ron Corbett said:
That's great Mark. So the benefit is: greater precision?
How is this search different from:
<bible=Mt 18:10>"guardian angel"
Not so much greater precision, as a different kind of precision.
<bible=Mt 18:10>"guardian angel" will find articles that contain both the phrase and the reference. Which is great if that's what you want.
"guardian angel" WITHIN {Milestone <Mt 18:10>} is easiest to explain in relationship to commentaries. It's saying to Logos: Find that bit of the commentary that deals directly with Mt 18:10 [e.g. the bit on pp. 214-215], and search WITHIN that section for the phrase.
With your search, the commentator must mention the verse fairly near to the phrase. With mine they need to mention the phrase in the right part of the commentary. So your search wouldn't find the reference in Matthew Henry's Commentary, because even though he's discussing Mt 18:10, he doesn't mention that in the text. So your search wouldn't return it. Mine does, however, because its WITHIN the section that deals with that verse.
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Mark, that is an awesome search. I just searched for "levirate marriage" in Ruth 1:11-13. Thank you for that help.
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OK, if I am getting this, "milestone" isolates a section of text in which the bible reference is located and allows you to tell Logos to search THOSE sections for a word or "string of words".
Yes?
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Mark,
Thanks for your patience with us as we try to figure out what this is all about. The mere fact that it's that difficult to explain means either that it's esoteric or inexplicable.
Using your example, but without yet including the "WITHIN", is it fair to say that if a specific verse reference were mentioned in a milestone's text within a commentary (e.g. the text "Matt 18:10"), then a citation search would also have found that location in a commentary? But you wouldn't be able to do the WITHIN search against the citation search's results?
Is it further fair to say that a "milestone" bounds the entirety of the applicable text; i.e. it's not just a marker to the beginning of the applicable text? And thus your WITHIN search is possible?
Thanks again,
Donnie
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Is a picture worth a thousand words?
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Donnie Hale said:
Is it further fair to say that a "milestone" bounds the entirety of the applicable text; i.e. it's not just a marker to the beginning of the applicable text? And thus your WITHIN search is possible?
Yes, that's correct, as you can see from the highlighting in the screenshot above.
Donnie Hale said:Using your example, but without yet including the "WITHIN", is it fair to say that if a specific verse reference were mentioned in a milestone's text within a commentary (e.g. the text "Matt 18:10"), then a citation search would also have found that location in a commentary? But you wouldn't be able to do the WITHIN search against the citation search's results?
Yes, although milestones are markers around a range of text, rather than a location in the text.
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Mark, that is awesome. It all makes sense now. Thank you.
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Ron Corbett said:
That's great Mark. So the benefit is: greater precision?
How is this search different from:
<bible=Mt 18:10>"guardian angel"
Imagine that you wanted to do a Bible Search for "child" in Matthew chapter 18. You would create a range of Mt 18 and enter child (below):-
Now change the search slightly to use {Milestone}
Note that {Milestone} set the range for the search as "All Passages" was ignored. And you can do the same in a Basic Search (the results will be formatted differently).
So {Milestone} makes it possible to search non-bibles in the same way:
So the search is restricted to the commentary on Matt chapter 18.
The result of searching for <bible Mt 18> child is similar in this case:
but it is searching for visible references to Matt ch.18 AND occurrences of 'child'.
Dave
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Mark Barnes said:
Yes, although milestones are markers around a range of text, rather than a location in the text.
That's what I meant. Thanks again - I think it's clicked. And it may move "milestone" to the top of the L6 feature chart.
Donnie
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Donnie Hale said:
And it may move "milestone" to the top of the L6 feature chart.
It's the feature I was most excited about when I knew it was included. I've been asking for it for years.
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Mark Barnes said:
Is a picture worth a thousand words?
Indeed it is, I understood what it was doing now I see exactly how it does it.
Thanks
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