New Search: {Milestone}

Okay,  I used Mark's example and came up with  0 hits????                "guardian angel" WITHIN (Milestone <Matt 18:10>)

What did I do wrong?

Mark Barnes said:

I've been asking for it for years.

Mark, another question - this has probably been answered. Are milestone searches only applicable to commentaries, since beyond bibles they're pretty much the only resources that are versified?

Thanks again,

Donnie

Donnie Hale said:

Mark, another question - this has probably been answered. Are milestone searches only applicable to commentaries, since beyond bibles they're pretty much the only resources that are versified?

No, they're not just applicable to commentaries. That's because although the examples given have bible references, you can actually put any reference in the curly braces. That means you can:

Restrict searches to other milestones:

Although you could have created a collection in the example below, using the Milestone not only ensures all relevant resources are searched, but also that there will be no results from the "Doctrinal Treatises, Moral Treatises" section of NPNF.

Restrict searches by page range in individual resources:

This can be useful, for example, in works that are collections of essays, and you only want to search one essay. Journals too, possibly.

The only thing you can't do at the moment (and Logos are aware that it would be useful), is use English Headwords in the milestone. So you can't do something like glossolalia WITHIN {Milestone <Headword "Spiritual Gifts">} to search all the dictionary articles on Spiritual Gifts.

Great, very helpful !!

Am I wrong that there is no template for "{Milestone <bible x:xx>}" in any of the Search examples? Can we get one put in ??

Donnie Hale said:

But how does L6 interpret your second example - <Augustine ...>? How is "Augustine" analogous to "Page"? And how is "Augustine, On the Trinity" analogous to the page number range?

A more general version of this question, probably appropriate for the wiki, is what is the full set of milestone "types", so to speak (reference, page number, whatever "Augustine" is, etc.)? And in what types of resources are those milestone types applicable?

Anything in angle brackets is a datatype reference. There's been a lengthy list of them on the wiki for some time (although that should probably be updated now that L6 is out). The list gives typical resources that various datatypes would open.

By their nature, different datatypes have different structures. Some are simple (<Page 1-3>), some are more complex <TDNT ~ TDNT Vol. 7, Pg. 948-Vol. 8, Pg. 52>.

If you want to become more aware of datatypes and their structure, just look out for the reference on the right-click context menu. From here you can "search all resources", and it should be relatively easy to edit the search into a Milestone search.

Ron Corbett said:

Has there been some sort of Artificial Intelligence Program that has gone through all the Logos Resources and tagged every {Milestone} in every place?

Milestones have been there since day one. Restricting a Bible search to a certain passage uses milestones. The commentary section of a passage guide uses milestones. The parallel resource menu uses milestones.

All that's changed (with regard to Milestones) is the search engine behaviour. No additional tagging has been added.

I know this has been batted around, and I'm quite certain I understand the distinction. However, I'm getting unexpected results when I click the search links in Bradley's initial message:

For the link associated with <John 3:16>, it simply does an Everything search with <John 3:16>. It finds only 14 media results, 1 result in one of my passage lists, and several hits from books.logos.com. It finds nothing among my library resources and nothing in the NRSV.

For the Milestone link he provided, I get even stranger results. I do get the hit from John 3:16 in the NRSV, and I do get library results, but the books.logos.com results come seemingly in pairs: One hit with the word, "milestone", and one with the actual reference to "John 3:16".

Perhaps I need to adjust my expectations.

Lew

Can the milestone be set to follow specific versification? It doesn't seem to follow the versification of BHS (be it WIVU, LHB, WHM, or AF), but something closer to ESV or KJV. It is odd that I should have to pass through an English translation when searching references to a Hebrew verse.

Perfect! Thank You!

David Knoll said:

It would be nice though if one could decide on one's default versification scheme. That is if there is no such option today of which I am not aware. 

There's sort of an option - but it doesn't affect search (perhaps that's a bug). It does affect the guides though. Logos uses the versification scheme of your highest prioritised Bible. The screenshot below shows two passage guides - one run when BHS was my default Bible, one when the NIV was my default Bible.

Mike Tourangeau said:

Is this why with one you got results in "Journals" and the other not? Seems strange to me........

Joel 3:1 in the BHS is Joel 2:28 in the NIV. So effectively I've run the passage guide on two different verses. The journal article only covers Joel 2 (according to NIV versification), so it wouldn't show up for 3:1 (according to NIV versification), but it does for the BHS.

MJ. Smith said:

See https://community.logos.com/forums/p/8965/118698.aspx

Can these be used in a search?

Yes, but the syntax is different (see my post above).

I love this new Milestone search feature, but dumb question, why can't you use the parentheses? what is the functional difference between the parentheses (  ) and the curly brackets { } in a search?  I couldn't find it on the forum....