Husband & Wife want maintain own personal notes/underlining, layouts etc.

My wife and I would like to maintain our personal notes, underlining, layouts etc. When either of us changes something it shows up on the others setup (we log onto the internet when using the program). One can turn off internet use, but as soon as we log back on to get get updates, our notes etc. change to include all the notes, etc. we've both made. Any solution to this problem?

I was thinking one could copy the files holding the notes, highlighting, layouts to another location. Then log onto the internet to get the updates and then turn off use internet and copy the files back to get the personal data back like what we had. I don't know which files these would be and where they are or if it would even work.

Also where are all the books stored now?

Thanks for your help - this really limits how we want to use the program.

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Dave Hooton

Welcome Daniel

I was thinking one could copy the files holding the notes, highlighting, layouts to another location. Then log onto the internet to get the updates and then turn off use internet and copy the files back to get the personal data back like what we had.

Logos is designed for one user so operating with two users and maintaining separate documents and annotations/highlighting will be quite a challenge. All Note files are listed in the Documents menu in the main window - you cannot change their location.

The only way to keep separate annotations, etc is to use different note files and be diligent when highlighting and making notes that you use your own set of files e.g.

Highlighting - don't use palette defaults. Change the Save in: option in the Palette menu to "most recent note file" and make sure yours is the most recent by opening it.
Annotation/Notes - have your note file open and select it from the Context menu in the resource
In the resource's Visual filter menu select only the note files you want to be active (under NOTES).
Have your own layout when working i.e. load it manually from the Layouts menu and update it regularly via Update active in the same menu (this may save you having to load note files explicitly and changing the active ones in the resource's Visual filter menu)
In Program Settings use the "At Startup" option to load a Blank layout, then you can select your layout as above.

Thanks for your help - this really limits how we want to use the program.

It would be best to have separate Faithlife accounts and packages so that you have your own Sign-in; which means resources, documents and layouts will then be stored in separate locations.

Doc B

My wife and I would like to maintain our personal notes, underlining, layouts etc.

You each need a separate license to do this. Are you trying to do this with one copy (license) or two?

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)

Also where are all the books stored now?

Welcome [:D]

Wiki has => https://wiki.logos.com/Quick_Installation_onto_Multiple_Macs#Copy_Logos_Resources_to_Mac_OS_X with Resource locations.

this really limits how we want to use the program.

End User License Agreement (EULA) => https://www.logos.com/support/eula is consistent with software design of one user having a digital library on many devices with highlighting, layouts, notes, prayer lists, etc in sync, which are used by that one user. On 16 Jul 2009, Bob Pritchett (Faithlife Corporation CEO) offered license insights => https://community.logos.com/forums/p/341/3265.aspx#3265

Keep Smiling [:)]

Daniel Harper

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/672317#Comment_672317

We just have just the one license to a Platinum plus many of books not in the Platinum level. I have no problem buying another license, however being required to purchase two copies of all the books is out to the question (cost wise). I was told that buying another license would not let the second user (my wife) use the books we own (as one/Scripture). I started with Logos at it's beginning and this has not been a problem with Logos until they added the constraint of having everything online.

Any thank you for your answer.

Daniel Harper

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/672726#Comment_672726

I didn't share that we use Windows computers, Android tablets and Apple phones. My wife is now talking about using Wordsearch because of all the constraints we've leaned about.

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/672726#Comment_672726

I have no problem buying another license, however being required to purchase two copies of all the books is out to the question (cost wise).

To "buy another license" means to buy two copies of any book you want her to have access to. When you purchase electronic media (eBooks, Music, Video), you don't actually own anything... you have a license agreement with another entity.

You have three options:

Buy a second license for anything she wants to use.
Use some of the techniques suggested to minimize problems between the two installations
Create an installation which is offline. If it ever goes online after you have installed it, everything will sync.

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/672729#Comment_672729

My wife is now talking about using Wordsearch because of all the constraints we've leaned about.

If she is only interested in having a few bibles, those can be picked up rather cheaply. What does she need access to?

Daniel Harper

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/672400#Comment_672400

When we started using Logos, they were fine with us buying the books and installing them on our (wife &I) separate computers (the Logos software was free). I've invested several thousand dollars over the years and I'm now hearing that is now changing and one of us will no longer be able to use the software.

Thanks

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/672732#Comment_672732

I'm now hearing that is now changing and one of us will no longer be able to use the software.

This isn't a new change, and your statement isn't correct. Has she not used the software in the past 4-5 years? You may both use the same license... you just need to be aware of the consequences of doing so. If you REALLY don't like the new software, you can always run an emulator and run old software. As for me, I like having everything in the cloud.

the Logos software was free

As is the case now.

Daniel Harper

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/672316#Comment_672316

Dave Hooton: Thanks for your inputs. I'm going to look into trying out your suggestions. I'll let you know if it's working for us. I also may have questions on just how to implement them.

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/672735#Comment_672735

Sure thing. Make sure to read Dave's post above.

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/672736#Comment_672736

The easier solution is just to send to Kindle (within the rules of course). It really depends on how you both are using Logos (e.g. reading, OL, sermons, etc).

Rosie Perera

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/672729#Comment_672729

These are not new constraints. The license has always been for a single user. However Logos/Faithlife has always been generous in its interpretation of the EULA for married couples. They consider them to be "one flesh" for the purposes of using Logos at home for their own personal study, or even for the wife of a pastor to use his copy if it's just for her own personal study. However if they are employed in different capacities and are using Logos for their work, then they are no longer using it as husband and wife, so in that case they or their employers should buy separate licenses for them.

Here's Bob Pritchett's oft-quoted post about his attitude towards this one-license one-user policy:

https://community.logos.com/forums/p/341/3265.aspx#3265

Daniel Harper

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/672731#Comment_672731

My wife uses the books almost as much as I do. She love to study and add what she learns to her notes. We both have Microsoft Surface computers which we would like to make our personal Bibles, with notes, underlining, highlighting, pictures, outlines, etc.

Daniel Harper

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/672734#Comment_672734

Ouch, alabama24, "This isn't a new change, and your statement isn't correct." I understand this isn't a new change, but I haven't tried to get input from this forum until now. Yes this has been a problem from the first time we needed to use Logos online (approx.4yrs ago). It is new to the time I purchased most of my books (before the online change we received them on CD's). I REALLY do like the new software, but not the change on how it affects both of us using it. I also like using the cloud, but not having my wife or myself not being able to have our own notes, etc. I'm sorry I gave you the impression I didn't like the software. I love Logos. I've been with this company from their start. Logos could correct this problem in several different ways. An emulator does not solve the problem. Changing the constraints of using the BOOKS we've purchased with this online change is the problem. I've always lived by the Logos License and called when I had any questions about it's meaning. From Day One I was told my wife and I both could use the software and the Books we purchased with no restrictions. I have a stack of Logos CD's almost three feet high (which we own). Sending thousands of dollars on Books and being told you both can no longer have full access to the books if you both want to use all the features of the books is not correct. In the past Logos saw us as One user and it seems that's still true if you read the response of Logos linked above), but we can't use all the features as One. Why can't Logos grant a husband and wife two logons, both linked to the resources? Or have a way to backup settings notes, etc. which one can restore after going offline? Let us know which files need to be copied and restored. We also have thousands invested in hard copy books, which both of us can use and Logos books should be no different. Even from the beginning Logos showed adds online talking about using this program as your personal Bible and being able to take your library with you.

Daniel Harper

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/672740#Comment_672740

Rosie Perera: The new implementation online vs. offline adds constraints that wasn't there from the beginning. As you said Logos has always looked at married couples as "one flesh", but they forgot this with the online implementation. Pritchett say we're still looked at as one user in the link you posted. All I'm asking for is a way my wife and I can use it as one user. I think Faithlife should come up with a solution. I didn't want to argue about anything. Faithlife and I are in agreement about the license (we are one user).

Thanks for your input.

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/672760#Comment_672760

I can see why Logos might have their hundreds of hands tied, regarding 2 accounts against one resource. A whole host (not stars) of issues constrain contract agreements.

But I'd agree, Logos could it make it A LOT easier to move across notes/highlights,layouts, etc. (similar to managing your calendar). And that is irrespective of husband/wife teams. It's not hard to imagine layout/note/highlighting/etc combos you could choose from, at load time or later.

Ironically, I'm just the opposite ... I work off of 5 Bible software platforms, with each having libraries. But I don't cross paths with myself.

Doc B

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/672756#Comment_672756

From Day One I was told my wife and I both could use the software and the Books we purchased with no restrictions.

This looks like a case of a good deed not going unpunished.

In allowing you both to use the resources, Logos was excepting their own EULA. (At least, they were as far back as I go with Logos, which is v. 3...the EULA may have read differently before that; I don't know). Now that enforcement of the EULA is becoming academic, this is not something they can continue to do...they are going to have to follow their own rules.

I would suggest Faithlife could remedy the situation this way: grant you a second license for the engine and any resources you purchased up until an agreed upon date, like Nov. 30th, for example (so you could both have your own copies as you were allowed to do in the past); then allow you to purchase resources separately in the future, to more closely comply with the EULA. You might wish to make this offer to the sales folks and see if they agree to it. (This is contingent upon all you've said above being true, with no misunderstandings, etc.).

We also have thousands invested in hard copy books, which both of us can use and Logos books should be no different.

On this point, you are simply wrong. You own your hard copy books. You do not own any of your electronic resources, and never have. You have a EULA that allows you to use those resources in certain ways. But you own nothing (not even the electrons). Even your CDs fall under this category. You own a physical piece of plastic, but you don't own the data that's on it. (FWIW, this is why I have not, and will not commit to converting my library to electronic only...I'm keeping my books and continue to buy quality physical books. Those folks that have drunk the koo-aid and sold all their hard copies may live to regret it.)

If you could negotiate a grant of a second license for those resources you already own, you would probably come out ahead of where you might otherwise and still have both parties happy with the arrangement.

Silver Hawk

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/672756#Comment_672756

Ouch, alabama24

You can't expect any empathy from the fanboys. If yoy stick around the forums you'll have to learn to overlook them. [:)]

Daniel Harper

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/672763#Comment_672763

DOC B: WOW, thanks for clarifying the ownership issue. You're totally correct that I also will not get rid of my hardcopies (not after reading your post). I was going to donate them, but not now. I really like your suggestion also and will give them a call tomorrow. I have purchased over 5,200 books for this system should have focused on really only the best of books for both hardcopy and Logos. I've spent way too much money on some of the package deals that include many books I wouldn't have purchased otherwise. Thanks again for the eye opening.

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/672785#Comment_672785

Thanks again for the eye opening.

I am sorry to say this but I think Doc B is steering you the wrong way. I have lost thousands of paper books to flood damage. I have never lost a Logos book.

I bought my wife her own license and we are both happy.

I am bequeathing my 17,000 books to an heir.

Daniel Harper

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/672777#Comment_672777

Silver Hawk: Thanks for the advise.

David Ames

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/672791#Comment_672791

My wife and I would like to maintain our personal notes, underlining, layouts etc. When either of us changes something it shows up on the others setup - this really limits how we want to use the program.

Faithlife and I are in agreement about the license (we are one user).

As I see your two statements you want to be two users in that each will have their own notes, layouts, etall.

As I see Faithlife's definition of a husband/wife as one user: if no more than one of you is a "PROFESSIONAL" user then the other half can ride along for free.

Possible work a round if you fit Faithlife's definition [No more than one is a "PROFESSIONAL"] Notes: End the note with a key of who posted it and if the other has something to say just add to the first note with their own key added. Layouts: use your key as the first part of the layout name. Use a key of Hus/Wif or your initials (if not the same)

[[My wife at most uses two Bibles: one English and one French, to find the references for the week's lesson - and then she makes me do all the work so she is only a virtual user[:D] ]]

Daniel Harper

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/672790#Comment_672790

Super.Tramp: Have you also needed to purchased a separate copy of each book for her or does she have access to all the books you've purchased with the second license?

Matthew C Jones

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/672794#Comment_672794

Have you also needed to purchased a separate copy of each book for her

Yes, but she only has around 800 books. She can read my library any time she wants, just no notes in my library.

Daniel Harper

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/672793#Comment_672793

David Ames: Thank you for the suggestions. My wife nor I are using Logos as a "Professional".

Pete De Bonte

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/672763#Comment_672763

you own nothing (not even the electrons). … this is why I have not, and will not commit to converting my library to electronic only...I'm keeping my books and continue to buy quality physical books

Is your opinion biased against Logos in particular, or against e-books in general? Might you feel any differently about DRM-free EPUBs?

JT (alabama24)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/672794#Comment_672794

i am confused. If you buy this argument (paper books are better), how is that any different than the current implementation of alogos? You both CAN read the same book. You both CAN make notes. The difference is that you can create note files for her and turn them off in your installation. You can't do that in a dead tree book.

Doc B

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/672808#Comment_672808

Is your opinion biased against Logos in particular, or against e-books in general? Might you feel any differently about DRM-free EPUBs?

A bit of a loaded question....but I'll take the bait. My opinion is "biased" against proprietary ebooks of any kind. We've had quite a number of discussions about what happens to our libraries if Faithlife Corp. goes belly-up. What happens when one of the giant conglomerates offers the owners, who are getting tired of the rat race, enough money to retire and buy their own private island? (And then customer service goes down the tube, or the EULAs get radically altered, etc.)

Again, this is about real property vs intellectual property. (Yes, I know I don't own the intellectual property in a real book.) Real property can be insured against floods (Supertramp!). But how do you insure against a Faithlife chapter 11? Or even a big server crash on the Sunday of the big sermon? (That was probably below the belt, but since it just happened, it is a useful illustration.)

Hey, this is MY opinion. I'm not telling anyone how to run their library. I'm simply keeping both eyes open. And I don't really like kool-aid.

[EDIT: I should have added a sentence about the Kindle in the first paragraph...same deal (with some practical differences). I have over 300 Kindle books, but most of them were free or less than $2. I've never discarded a hard copy because I acquired it in Kindle, and I won't.]

Doc B

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/672777#Comment_672777

Ouch, alabama24
You can't expect any empathy from the fanboys. If yoy stick around the forums you'll have to learn to overlook them.

Be careful. There are fanboys, and then there are really decent, helpful people who will defend Faithlife's model/product if pressed, but who will sacrifice a good bit of their time to help out folks they don't know and to whom they owe nothing. Bama is the latter. He may disagree with you on this issue, but he'll help you figure out why your software isn't working some late night when you can't get ahold of customer service.

There are some of the fan-boy types around here, but don't throw that pejorative around willy-nilly.

Daniel Harper

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/672931#Comment_672931

Doc B: Thanks for your response. You're a good Christian Brother, keeping things on a healthy, Godly path. Bama is blessed to have you there to speak out about his passion for helping people out. I really appreciate the ideas, advice, education and the encouragement that comes from it all.

Pete De Bonte

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/672930#Comment_672930

Is your opinion biased against Logos in particular, or against e-books in general? Might you feel any differently about DRM-free EPUBs?

A bit of a loaded question....but I'll take the bait. My opinion is "biased" against proprietary ebooks of any kind

Sorry: I didn't intend that to be disparaging. I guess I need a less biased verb to use with "opinion" : > Maybe "disinclined"?

[As with you?], I'm disinclined to spend significant money on Kindle, Vyrso, or any other protected book. I'd rather purchase a DRM-free EPUB and then convert it to any and every format I may need: Kindle, HTML, plain-text, whatever.

Touching back upon a husband and wife sharing e-books; however, my wife purchased a Bible in DRM-free EPUB format from ChristianBook.com, and they gave me permission to share it with her (as would Logos), or even transfer it within our household.

Yet even being DRM-free, they still restrict e-books more than physical books: apparently household sharing is the limit of it (again, as with Logos), because a ChristianBook.com e-Books FAQ answer says, "Due to licensing agreements with our publishers, you cannot lend eBooks to a friend." In slight contrast, B&N does have the LendMe option on some Nook books, but it has a one-time 14-day limitation [i.e. DRM].

But then again, I can't near-instantly locate an arbitrary phrase in my physical books…

Doc B

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/673101#Comment_673101

But then again, I can't near-instantly locate an arbitrary phrase in my physical books…

Yep. And that sells.

We have to keep in mind that ebooks (on the scale of modern civilization, even just since the invention of the printing press) is still very much in its infancy. Who knows which way things will go. My guess is, over time, things will become more stable in terms of who owns what (remember when Kindle pulled a book from purchasers without telling anyone?). Until then, I'm trying to be as careful as possible. Faithlife is as much along for the ride as we are in many respects.

I also am not yet convinced that hard copy books are doomed. As a college dean, I watch students, including very young students who aren't supposed to be attached to physical books at all rebel against ebooks with some vehemence. The don't like rentals, don't like the pricing structures that are out there now, and most of all, don't like not being able to mark things up. Ebook readers will get better, and these features will probably be out there before we know it, but unless they get cheaper, and ebooks themselves get cheaper, there will still be resistance.

I read one pundit who said something like, "Consumers look at ebooks and see something that costs less to produce and distribute, and look for a cheaper product. Publishers look at ebooks and see something that costs less to produce and distribute, and look for higher profit margins." And that's the way it is.

Giuseppe Tozzi

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/672864#Comment_672864

"The difference is that you can create note files for her and turn them off in your installation."

Hi I'm new to logos. How can we do this?

Thank you

David Thomas

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1224249#Comment_1224249

Hi I'm new to logos. How can we do this?

You are replying to a thread from 2014 (Logos 6). Logos has had several revisions in the last 8 years (we're waiting on L10) and the Notes feature has gone through a whole rewrite.

Doc B

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1224249#Comment_1224249

What David is saying is, you'll get a lot more response to your question if you create a new thread with an appropriate title and post it separately from this ancient thread. (I read my comments here and have almost no memory of them. At least I was civil, LOL. I've run across a few of my responses that embarrass me, significantly.)

So post a new thread and I'm sure you'll get some replies.