New Jerusalem Bible SCANDAL
The New Jerusalem Bible (NJB) is a Catholic translation of the Bible published in 1985. The New Jerusalem Bible (NJB) has become the most widely used Roman Catholic Bible outside of the United States. It has the imprimatur of Cardinal George Basil Hume.
So why are people who live outside the United States, i.e. Britain, England, Ireland, Scotland, Wales, Europe not allowed to download the NEW JERUSALEM BIBLE from LOGOS or VERBUM?
Yes I know there are different publishers US and UK, but surely Logos, Verbum and the publishers should able to come an agreement.
This does not make sense.
UK VERBUM or UK LOGOS
This is a scandal!
P A (p.s. Happy New Year)
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P A said:
So why are people who live outside the United States, i.e. Britain, England, Ireland, Scotland, Wales, Europe not allowed to download the NEW JERUSALEM BIBLE from LOGOS or VERBUM?
My guess is it is a licensing issue. Logos/Verbum was probably only given the rights to sell in North America or possibly only the USA. If they had a choice I a sure they would like global rights to all books.
Logos 7 Collectors Edition
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P A said:
This is a scandal!
You are not implying this is an anti-Catholic conspiracy are you? I would think it is no such thing.
Logos 7 Collectors Edition
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No Anti British [:P]
Anyone for a game of cricket[;)]
This is quite simply not cricket[:)]
P A [:)]
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For what it's worth I not Catholic.
But like many evangelicals I do appreciate this bible translation.
I used the word scandal to get your attention and it worked[:)]
Blessing to all regardless of your church tradition.[:)]
P A
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Perhaps the holder(s) of international rights is protesting the British Guy Fawkes Day? [;)] As an American who has the NJB, I'm more concerned that we can't get the Jerusalem Bible that is frequently used in lectionaries. [:'(] I will admit that Catholic resources appear to have more international rights issues than other blocks of resources ... and that does genuinely cause problems for the non-American user.
Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."
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P A said:
So why are people who live outside the United States, i.e. Britain, England, Ireland, Scotland, Wales, Europe not allowed to download the NEW JERUSALEM BIBLE from LOGOS or VERBUM?
I did not realize it was restricted. I live outside US and Canada and I have a license for this bible which I acquired many years ago when I purchase the old LLS Catholic Scholars Pack. If you could get your hands on a copy of this you'd also get a license for the Jerome Bible Commentary - but I don't like your chances of finding one these days: Catholic Scholar's Pack. Licensing restrictions didn't seem to be an issue back in those days.
Edit: I believe the Catholic Scholars Pack contained:
Bibles:
The Revised Standard Version, Catholic edition,
The New American Bible,
The New Jerusalem Bible,
The Latin Vulgate of St. Jerome
The King James Version;
Commentaries:
Jerome's Biblical Commentary
Harper's Bible Commentary
Bible Knowledge Commentary;
Dictionaries:
Theological Dictionary of the New Testament (Little Kittle)
Harper's Bible Dictionary
New Bible Dictionary;
Devotional:
Confessions of St. Augustine
Spurgeon's Morning and Evening Prayers
100 Midi Hymns;
Greek and Hebrew:
Nestle-Aland 26th Ed. (GRAMCORD Greek Morphological database)
BHS Hebrew with Westminister Morphology
Rahlf's Septuagen with Morphology
TVM (Tense/Mood/Voice)
Bauer/Arndt/Gingrich/Danker Greek Lexicon
Louw Nida Lexicon, Chapman's NT Greek Insert,
Font-Linguist CCAT databases
Vines Expository Dictionary
BHS Hebrew with Westminister Morphology
TVM-Tense Voice Mood
Bauer, Ardnt, Gingrich and Danker Greek Lexicon
Liddell and Scott Intermediate Greek Lexicon
Chapman's New Testament Greek Insert, "Little Kittt"
Maps:
Logos Bible Maps
Study Tools:
Treasury of Scripture Knowledge Complete Guide to Bible Versions
Complete Guide to Bible Versions
Torrey's New Topical Textbook
Strong's Numbers with BDB/Thayer Lexicons0 -
Ideally Logos would work out all rights period when they release a book.
[*-)]
-dan
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Disciple of Christ (doc) said:
Good luck there... it took me over 5 years to track one down.... They seem to be near as rare as hen's teeth.
-Dan
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Dan Francis said:
Ideally Logos would work out all rights period when they release a book.
Yes, but they can not force the rights holder to license books/regions if they don't want to. I would rather have the C.S. Lewis Collection as is than not at all. If Logos had held out for the Narnia titles we may not have gotten anything.
Logos 7 Collectors Edition
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Super.Tramp said:Dan Francis said:Ideally Logos would work out all rights period when they release a book.
Yes, but they can not force the rights holder to license books/regions if they don't want to. I would rather have the C.S. Lewis Collection as is than not at all. If Logos had held out for the Narnia titles we may not have gotten anything.
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I'm not sure how this is related to Narnia but I'm a little confused why Logos can't get the Narnia books. They are selling in K by Harper Collins and the entire set plus Boxen is $5. Surely if Logos offered $10 they would take it. There must be something more.
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P A said:
This is a scandal!
The Copyright Statement as found on the Logos Edition:
The New Jerusalem Bible
READER’S EDITION
D O U B L E D A Y
NEW YORK LONDON TORONTO SYDNEY AUCKLAND
published by doubleday
a division of Bantam Doubleday Dell Publishing Group, Inc.
666 Fifth Avenue, New York, New York 10103
Doubleday and the portrayal of an anchor with a dolphin
are trademarks of Doubleday, a division of
Bantam Doubleday Dell Publishing Group, Inc.
Nihil obstat
Anton Cowan
Imprimatur
Rt. Rev John Crowley v.g
Bishop in Central London
Westminster
4th September 1989
The Nihil obstat and Imprimatur are a declaration that a book or pamphlet is considered to be free from doctrinal or moral error. It is not implied that those who have granted the Nihil obstat and Imprimatur agree with the contents, opinions or statements expressed.
Library of Congress Cataloging-in-Publication Data
Bible. English. New Jerusalem Bible. 1990.
The New Jerusalem Bible.—Reader’s ed.
p. cm.
I. Title
BS195.N375 1990
220.5’2062—dc20 89–39911
cip
Biblical text © 1985 by Darton, Longman & Todd Ltd and Doubleday,
a division of Bantam Doubleday Dell Publishing Group, Inc.
Notes and Introductions © 1990 by Darton, Longman & Todd Ltd and Doubleday,
a division of Bantam Doubleday Dell Publishing Group, Inc.
isbn 0-385-24832-6
isbn 0-385-24833-4 (pbk.)
All Rights Reserved
July 1990 The New Jerusalem Bible (New York: Doubleday, 1985).
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David Ames said:
Biblical text © 1985 by Darton, Longman & Todd Ltd and Doubleday,
And there is the rub dual copyrights ownership. Doubleday has the rights to licence products for the North American market only. DLT own the licence rights for the rest of the world. In an ideal world Logos would get distribution rights from both companies and pay the royalty portion on to each company based on the location of the purchasing customer. This really seems to be mostly an electronic rights thing since I have seen DLT published editions of the NJB in Canadian book stores. Maybe there can one day be a glorious international ruling that strikes down laws that keep books of electronic media / restricts distribution. This is most likely never going to happen but with googles digitizing everything ever printed maybe there can be some hope.
-Dan
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Just throwing this in.
Back in '09 it seems that Phil G address the issue in some respects (whether active third party licensing trumped access or just the time it takes tracking down the appropriate license holder??). The only reason I mention it is that it has been a five+ year issue for the Jerome Biblical Commentary that still hasn't been resolved (and maybe there isn't any "in process" attempt to [:(]), but yet there has been some progress because we have the Vatican II Documents so some things may be going on in the background.... a status/explanation of the hurdles in licensing might be better addressed by Phil Gons or someone else at Logos.
See here:
https://blog.logos.com/2009/05/logos_bible_software_for_catholics/ (About half way down the page)
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John, we lost the rights to the Jerome Biblical Commentary, and the Vatican II Documents were in a third-party product from Liturgical Press in 1997 that has since been retired. We’re looking into resurrecting both of these at some point, but no guarantees that that will happen.
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P A said:
So why are people who live outside the United States, i.e. Britain, England, Ireland, Scotland, Wales, Europe not allowed to download the NEW JERUSALEM BIBLE from LOGOS or VERBUM?
So perhaps you could arrange a short holiday in the "big apple" for you and your laptop - buy what you need and return.
Much as you do when buying numbers of pairs of US jeans. Or when you buy a parcel of physical books - might get a bit heavy on the flight though
Shalom!
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Kevin A Lewis said:P A said:
So why are people who live outside the United States, i.e. Britain, England, Ireland, Scotland, Wales, Europe not allowed to download the NEW JERUSALEM BIBLE from LOGOS or VERBUM?
So perhaps you could arrange a short holiday in the "big apple" for you and your laptop - buy what you need and return.
The determination of the residency of international buyers may com from
- the address in the user profile (possibly used for delivery of physical goods and calculation of sales tax)
- the country association of the credit card number
- the IP-address of the client used to visit the site
only the third would be affected by a different location - however the laptop would not be needed in the US to buy a resource (actually, the user neither, since there are VPN solutions that allow browsing the web with an US IP-address from remote, used by people who want to view internet-broadcasted TV or sports that is geo-IP restricted).
I always dreamed from coming over to the US, visiting a used bookstore and finding the old Libronix CDs with BAGD, full JB and Jerome's commentary... probably none of this will happen.
Have joy in the Lord!
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P A said:
No Anti British
Anyone for a game of cricket
This is quite simply not cricket
P A
Well, we do have issues going back to 1776, and we don't play much cricket here—it's baseball. [:D] But I like Brits (generally); I don't care what the rest of the world says. [:D] [I'm on a roll—I just need to make sure it isn't a Kaiser roll.]
george
gfsomselיְמֵי־שְׁנוֹתֵינוּ בָהֶם שִׁבְעִים שָׁנָה וְאִם בִּגְבוּרֹת שְׁמוֹנִים שָׁנָה וְרָהְבָּם עָמָל וָאָוֶן
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I can't give specifics or promise that we'll ultimately be successful, but we are actively pursuing international rights for the NJB. As you can imagine, multiple rights-holders makes things more complicated for us.
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Now if only you could get The New Jerome Biblical Commentary 3rd Edition.
-Dan
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