There seems to be increasing chatter recently about tablets that run Windows 8.1.
I wonder if it is time to add a "Windows Tablets" forum to the fora for Android and iOS?
I've been begging for that very thing for months. I contacted customer service and made a plea on UserVoice. It all seems to have fallen on deaf ears.
I agree as I run Logos on Microsoft Surface Pro.
Faithlife Corporation has Forums to discuss Faithlife apps, applications, languages, and products: (Windows Tablet seems duplicative)
Logos 6 and Logos 5 Stable applications for Windows 8.1 (not RT)
Logos Desktop Beta Beta applications for Windows 8.1 (not RT)
Windows Store Apps includes Metro App development being on hold => https://community.logos.com/forums/p/92711/644197.aspx#644197
Windows tablet option is running Android emulator => Using Android emulator while waiting for upgraded Metro App
Keep Smiling [:)]
(Windows Tablet seems duplicative)
If there were a forum, at least tablet users could assist one another in finding work-arounds for the missing functionality. Possibly it should be dubbed Windows 8.1 pen and touch tablet forum.
Thread work around is Tablet prefix in subject when posting in appropriate forum to discuss Faithlife application usage.
Personally find stylus challenging to hold still long enough for right click in a moving automobile on a Dell Latitude ST tablet.
Thankful for Dell stylus having AAA battery, which dramatically enhances ease of use.
Thanks for the work around suggestion, Keep Smiling 4 Jesus. (Now why didn't I think of that? [:)])
However, like Paul C. I am convinced a "dedicated" forum is needed. One reason is simply to highlight a Windows tablet as a truly viable alternative to iPads and Androids. (Note that I am restrained enough to say "viable" rather than "superior".)[:P]
Thanks for the work around suggestion, Keep Smiling 4 Jesus. (Now why didn't I think of that? )
Suspect numerous active Tablet threads in appropriate forums could provide incentive for sub-forum(s) focused on Tablet implementations.
However, like Paul C. I am convinced a "dedicated" forum is needed. One reason is simply to highlight a Windows tablet as a truly viable alternative to iPads and Androids. (Note that I am restrained enough to say "viable" rather than "superior".)
Thankful for visual filter highlighting on a Dell Latitiude ST tablet (running Windows 7), which currently is not viable on iOS, Android, and Windows RT devices. By the way, Dell Outlet has 30 % off sale until 4 Jan 2015 that includes tablets and 2-in-1's.
Faithlife recently consolidated "Logos 4 Mac" and "Logos 4" into a single forum where previously had different forums to discuss Windows and OS X implementations of Logos 4.
To fully utilize tablets, one needs full touch and stylus functionality.
Please elaborate what is difficult to accomplish on a tablet using Logos. Windows 7 and 8 have improved tablet interaction with touch screens, including Windows 8 motions to show charms.
Logos has mouse gestures => https://wiki.logos.com/Gestures that could be helpful on a tablet.
Please elaborate what is difficult to accomplish on a tablet using Logos.
There seems to be increasing chatter recently about tablets that run Windows 8.1. I wonder if it is time to add a "Windows Tablets" forum to the fora for Android and iOS?
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I wonder if it is time to add a "Windows Tablets" forum to the fora for Android and iOS? Faithlife Corporation has Forums to discuss Faithlife apps, applications, languages, and products: (Windows Tablet seems duplicative) Logos 6 and Logos 5 Stable applications for Windows 8.1 (not RT) Logos Desktop Beta Beta applications for Windows 8.1 (not RT)licativ Windows Store Apps includes Metro App development being on hold => https://community.logos.com/forums/p/92711/644197.aspx#644197 Windows tablet option is running Android emulator => Using Android emulator while waiting for upgraded Metro App Keep Smiling
Logos Desktop Beta Beta applications for Windows 8.1 (not RT)licativ
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Hardly duplicative. Logos is not optimized for touch screen. There are many unique workarounds that those who use a Windows tablet (for Logos) need, and many times these users could learn from one another. They do this now, but it is literally spread over all the forums, not easy to find. It is as needed as the iPhone/iPad forum, though I recognize there are fewer Windows tablet users. Yet is growing, and I am convinced will continue to grow. With the need for workarounds, using windows on my Surface Pro 2 is by far the best Logos experience I have had. But a forum would be helpful.
I doubt this will ever happen. I agree they are deaf and blind to items that have to do with Windows Tablets.
I keep hoping they will backtrack and make basic functionality like "one button push" Book, Chapter, and Verse buttons works consistently on any platform. No luck. Touch sensitivity is light years ahead of the developers I think.
Tough job...bless them. I think they hope Windows 8.1 etc just goes away.
Does anyone ever get this app to work consistently well while at church or in a Bible study?
I never do. I am attending one tonight at 6 pm in RI if any developers want to watch how I use it...I give you permission to observe...seriously.
It may astound you all how basic search functions overwhelm the software.
I use a Windows 8.1 Surface Pro as well as a Galaxy S 8.4 Tablet....perhaps I should try to use.
Blessings in the new year. (I wish I had stayed with 5.0...it worked faster and better).
Joshua In RI
p.s. Michael I can never afford the Surface Pro 3 but was there any reason to switch to the 2 other than battery life. Perhaps I can get a good used one on ebay now and sell my old one Surface Pro 1
I still have issues with a trackpad on a laptop. I wouldn't dream of using a Windows tablet for anything much beyond web surfing.
I wonder if it is time to add a "Windows Tablets" forum to the fora for Android and iOS? Faithlife Corporation has Forums to discuss Faithlife apps, applications, languages, and products: (Windows Tablet seems duplicative) Logos 6 and Logos 5 Stable applications for Windows 8.1 (not RT) Logos Desktop Beta Beta applications for Windows 8.1 (not RT)licativ Windows Store Apps includes Metro App development being on hold => https://community.logos.com/forums/p/92711/644197.aspx#644197 Windows tablet option is running Android emulator => Using Android emulator while waiting for upgraded Metro App Keep Smiling Hardly duplicative. Logos is not optimized for touch screen. There are many unique workarounds that those who use a Windows tablet (for Logos) need, and many times these users could learn from one another. They do this now, but it is literally spread over all the forums, not easy to find. It is as needed as the iPhone/iPad forum, though I recognize there are fewer Windows tablet users. Yet is growing, and I am convinced will continue to grow. With the need for workarounds, using windows on my Surface Pro 2 is by far the best Logos experience I have had. But a forum would be helpful.
For Faithlife development team, a "Windows Tablet" forum seems duplicative because they would be following stable and beta application forums plus a hardware forum (or sub-forums) about application usage. Work around of "Tablet" prefix in subject would assist in identifying threads.
Noticed three primary forum foci: software, products, and languages. The iPhone/iPad Apps forum focuses on Apps (software) that run on iOS devices, which is followed by Faithlife's iOS development team.
By the way, searching internet for "Windows Presentation Foundation touch screen" finds many results, including => https://software.intel.com/en-us/articles/developing-windows-8-desktop-touch-apps-with-windows-presentation-foundation?language=it (with WPF code examples)
Please elaborate what is difficult to accomplish on a tablet using Logos.Sporadic highlighting and no mouse over ...when attempting to use finger or stylus. Other apps work normally.
Please add comments to UserVoice suggestion => http://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-6/suggestions/619605-focus-on-tablet-and-touchscreen-features
Every Tablet (Logos & Verbum) user has 10 UserVoice votes with up to 3 on one suggestion.
I keep hoping they will backtrack and make basic functionality like "one button push" Book, Chapter, and Verse buttons works consistently on any platform.
Option is adding comments and votes => http://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-6/suggestions/610335-book-chapter-verse
Noticed one more Tablet suggestion => http://logos.uservoice.com/forums/42823-logos-bible-software-6/suggestions/5327805-selective-downloading-for-windows-8-1-tablets
People could find these tips easier on a dedicated forum for pen touch tablets.
Internet search for:
site:community.logos.com windows tablet
finds many threads.
What the OP asked for already exists. There's a Windows Store Apps forum already. Currently it covers the extremely limited Metro version of Logos which is just a simple book reader app and little more. They don't seem interested in developing it any further since the Microsoft Windows Store is a barren wasteland of mostly junk and everyone knows it and it offers little over just opening Internet Explorer and going to Biblia or one of the other online versions of Logos. I own a Surface Pro 3 and I never install the Metro version of Logos.
The other option is to install the full version of Logos and just discuss it in the regular Logos Desktop forum. It's the same app and therefore doesn't need another forum.
What people really want is a robust app that has the features of the Android and iOS app and runs in Metro mode on limited Windows 8 tablets. The problem with those is that Microsoft is going away from that interface with Windows 10. So if MS isn't interested in investing much more in it, then why would Logos? It's a case of investment return ratio. They can't get much return on a significant investment to create a great app. So we're stuck with the pathetic dip-the-toe-in-the-water app we have today.
What I'd rather see is some development of the Desktop application that lets me choose between downloading my full library and indexing locally like the program currently allows and an option to run in "full online" mode where the library stays on the Internet and therefore doesn't need indexing. Why? LImited Windows tablets would be able to run this kind of app and not need to download all of the library so I don't gobble up the limited amount of space these tablets often include.
I bought an HP Stream 13 notebook that only comes with a 32GB SSD. 8GB gets eaten up by the recovery partition which cannot be deleted unlike some other computers. 8GB gets eaten up by Windows and the few programs HP installs (not many unlike most HP computers loaded down with preinstalled garbage that few really want). That left 16GB. Once I installed Office and a couple of other programs, I couldn't download my Logos library. Running it from an SD card means it takes days to index and a full 3 minutes to boot Logos. IN other words, it is useless on the machine so I just uninstalled it and use another Bible program. I gave it my wife who only goes online and does some office work. She reads her bible on her phone.
With all due respect to Kevin (I read your article in ccmag every month!) I don't think the OPs request currently exists. I think Michael Childs is closest to capturing the essence of the request.
A forum exists for the windows APP which has all but been abandoned.
When I use my surface Pro on my desk (With mouse and external monitor) it falls under the Logos 6 forum.
But when I am using my windows 8.1 tablet in "Slate" or "Tablet" mode to run the full Logos 6 PROGRAM (using touch and/or stylus) I interact differently with the program. There are several tips on highlighting, notes, Install on SDcard, etc.that are scattered invarious spots. Having one place to discuss issues of this group of users would be helpful.
David and Michael before him captured the OP's point. (That would be I.)
Thanks for doing so, Gentlemen.
I was not saying the software exists. I was saying a forum exists that discusses the options that do exist. Since the only options for running Logos on a Windows tablet is the full Logos and the Windows Store app, until they create a new animal, there's no need for a new forum.
I'd like them to develop the Windows Store App. Until they do or create a new app or a new website that does what we'd like to do on a Windows computers with netbook style specs, there's not need for a new forum.
I wonder if it is time to add a "Windows Tablets" forum
I'm not persuaded a new forum is needed but I am confident Faithlife should implement support for the Windows 8.1 touch UI.
Touch based interaction is not unique to tablets. What are concerns unique to tablets running Windows that would be better served in a new forum?
I have Logos 6 installed on an eight inch Intel Atom (Bay Trail) based tablet with Windows 8.1 and lack of touch UI support mars an otherwise splendid experience.
since the Microsoft Windows Store is a barren wasteland of mostly junk and everyone knows it and it offers little over just opening Internet Explorer and going to Biblia or one of the other online versions of Logos
I know this isn't really the place, but -- honestly -- can we quite this sort of straw man argument here in the forums? There are a FEW social sites that don't have current windows apps, and a FEW games that don't have current versions of windows apps -- but this constant pounding on how horrible the win 8 platform is -- is just wrong. There are plenty of decent apps in the windows app store, so long as you don't think social media and specific games are the primary purpose of a mobile computing platform. I know these things are measured based on the "preteen effect," but -- I'm not a preteen, and I'm sick of a world enamored of the opinions of 12 year olds.
I use a windows phone on a daily basis, and find it much easier to use than an iPhone -- it has plenty of weather apps, office, five or ten different podcast apps, onedrive, dropbox, a solid pdf reader, really connections to Bing (Local Scout is an awesome application, and Bing Maps are often better than most of the other map applications I've ever played with, as is Here Drive+), lastpass, kindle, many great apps for comparison shopping local and online, a bevy of good rss readers, and plenty of games if you're not focused on playing the latest "social gaming" nonsense.
I know it's a common perception, but it's plain flat wrong, and it's time to retire the meme. In fact, it's really tiring to constantly hear about how windows is a solid platform, except that "empty" app store. No, there aren't as many apps (by count) as on the apple store, or on the android store, but you have to ask yourself -- what, precisely, does the 40th podcast app add that the other 39 don't have, and do I really care for what I do on a day-to-day basis.
If you really want to have an argument, then let's get started on the iphone, and the multiple problems my wife has with her 6, from bluetooth to lack of decent apps that ARE, in fact, available on the windows platform.
Enough, already. I know this is a Logos forum, but please -- stop using this tired old argument about the windows platform.
:-)
Russ
since the Microsoft Windows Store is a barren wasteland of mostly junk and everyone knows it and it offers little over just opening Internet Explorer and going to Biblia or one of the other online versions of Logos I know this isn't really the place, but -- honestly -- can we quite this sort of straw man argument here in the forums?
I know this isn't really the place, but -- honestly -- can we quite this sort of straw man argument here in the forums?
Yes this is not the place. My post was in the context of a Bible software forum and therefore was about Bible software in the Windows App Store. I wasn't commenting on other apps. I still think my comment is applicable to the store in general, but I never would have said, "... and everyone knows it ..." regarding all of the app store since I know that the idea is highly debatable.
Secondly, this is a very old thread so it was not that productive to rehash an old argument.
Sorry if I was not clear enough. I hope I am more clear now. And I stand by the view that in terms of Bible software, the Windows store is a wasteland of mostly junk.
Depends on what you're after -- the ESV app is pretty nice, actually, IMHO. Overall, I'm not impressed with the Logos iPad app, either -- in fact, I avoid it where possible, pushing content to the Kindle app to avoid reading in the Logos app. But the point is -- if this isn't the right place to rehash an old discussion, then this also isn't the place to bash Windows (which I see a ton of).
Amen. I'm running Logos on Windows 8.1 Pro with a Yoga 2 Pro. I'd like to use this as a tablet in church, but it's not very good. So I just use my phone. Wish I had good access to all my resources, which my phone doesn't really give.
then this also isn't the place to bash Windows
Again I wasn't bashing Windows, but the Windows Store App from Logos. It looks like my bashing was justified since they've now pulled it.
[Y] <<for the original post and any replies that mention Surface Pro Logos Users.
What I find bizarre is the way people not interested in a forum object so fervently to those who feel the need for it. Nobody is suggesting that those who are uninterested or see not need for it change their minds and read it.
It is pretty arrogant to say you don't need it because I don't think you do.
Obviously, Logos will not sponsor such a forum unless they feel it is needed. That is their right because it is on their dime. But if some people feel they need it, who are you to criticize.
The human being is such a funny critter.
