Logos 7 - What should it offer?

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  • Matthew Langlois
    Matthew Langlois Member Posts: 179 ✭✭

    Latin tools and dataset. Latin bible word study. Eventual fully fleshed out language capabilities as we have in Hebrew and Greek. 

    Cheers

  • Kevin Maples
    Kevin Maples Member Posts: 808 ✭✭

    I don't know that this applies to Logos 7 or just the catalog of resources in general. The only real frustration I have with the software is when I go to cite a book and the Logos edition does not have page numbers. I cannot understand why some of the books do not include page numbers. One resource that I use often, I have to go get the print volume off of the shelf and find the place in the print volume to get the page number for citation. Could we please get page numbers included on all the resources? 

  • Rick Ausdahl
    Rick Ausdahl Member Posts: 1,722 ✭✭✭

    I've already asked for the following navigational changes in Logos 6 and very much want to see them made there, but if hopes are dashed, then no later than Logos 7.

    1)  Allow for a larger temporary pop-up window for scripture reference links. When hovering the mouse over a scripture reference link that has a range of verses, make the temporary pop-up window large enough to display all the verses in the link provided there is room on the screen to do so.  As it currently works, the size of the temporary pop-up window generally limits the display to just 3-5 verses (depending on verse length) even though there is plenty of room on the screen to display a temporary pop-up window large enough to display all the verses in the link.

    2) Provide a larger pop-up window when right-clicking on a word in a resource. When right-clicking on a word, make the pop-up window large enough to eliminate the need to scroll through options in the pop-up window, provided there is room on the screen to do so.  As it currently works, every time I right-click on a word to get a definition, the option to get a definition is not visible in the pop-up window and requires scrolling to reach it, even though there is plenty of room on the screen for the pop-up window to display all options without having to scroll to see them.

    3) Add "Highlight" and "Erase Highlight" options to the pop-up window displayed when right clicking on a word or a selected range of text. The highlighter used would default to your most recently selected highlighter, same as the current "Alt + K" keystroke shortcut does.  The erase highlight option would work the same as the "Ctrl + Shift + K" keystroke shortcut does.

    4) Add "Undo" & "Redo" icons in the screen header area where you see Documents, Guides, and Tools. These would work like the "Ctrl + Z" and "Ctrl + Y" keystroke shortcuts do, although I would like to see them apply to highlighting which they don't currently do.

    5) When doing a search from the "Help" panel, have all occurrences of the search term highlighted in the search results.

  • Mike Childs
    Mike Childs Member Posts: 3,135 ✭✭✭

    Personal Books improvement - such as making PB available on the iPhone / iPad;  PDF conversion; some help in dealing with footnotes; inclusion of audio / video in personal books.  Why audio / video in PB? 

    Touch screen friendly interface!

    Faster!

    Thank you, Mr. Bob, for this wonderful study tool we call Logos Bible Software.  It has truly been a blessing to me over the last 20 years (or slightly more) that I have used it.  And you continue to amaze me.  We are never satisfied, of course. You have created an ever more demanding monster in us.


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  • Charlene
    Charlene Member Posts: 548 ✭✭

    RAusdahl said:

    2) Provide a larger pop-up window when right-clicking on a word in a resource. When right-clicking on a word, make the pop-up window large enough to eliminate the need to scroll through options in the pop-up window, provided there is room on the screen to do so.  As it currently works, every time I right-click on a word to get a definition, the option to get a definition is not visible in the pop-up window and requires scrolling to reach it, even though there is plenty of room on the screen for the pop-up window to display all options without having to scroll to see them.

    Yes, please!

    Charlene

  • Ron Corbett
    Ron Corbett Member Posts: 860 ✭✭✭

    I'll go over and have a look at the User-Voice page, but off the top of my head, the Perseus resources (only a thousand or so) share either a generic description or have no description at all. I am unfamiliar with many of these so a description would be helpful. Some of the other suggestions are certainly a higher priority, but I suppose this one does have merit. 

    Here are a few of my suggestions (don't remember if I had posted these at any other time):

    With the text Comparison window, there is a check option for default - vertical or horizontal display


    Cannot there be a default option for - open as floating window OR open in a docked position? 

    BECAUSE: Whenever you open up in horizontal mode, everything is all schrunched. We have to then manipulate the window to another space in order to see the comparisons - as it is now, this is not very intuitive.


    In “CITED BY” it would make life easier if we had a “show only checked boxes” option. To click and drag resources up and down takes ‘forever' without this option. 


    Also: If we had an option to reveal or hide the Collections, Journals or Books that show up in the list, It would make CITED BY a lot more manageable. Maybe a right mouse click on a Series or Collection that already shows up in the Cited By area could allow us the option of hiding. It could be enabled again in the Collections area.


    Lastly, it would be very helpful to me if the Right-Click menu allowed a choice (under Lemma for example) for "Search LXX". I don't find this as easy to do with L6 - maybe it's just me, but it takes me longer to get LXX search results.

  • Ron Corbett
    Ron Corbett Member Posts: 860 ✭✭✭

    My "million dollar"suggestion (LOL) is :

    Build upon the ability to drag Resources up onto the menu bar in Logos - which is fantastic. (I love it; I use it.) But how about allowing the ability to create folders on the menu bar - these might have categories of resources [yes, similar to Collections] which would allow us to group similar resources into a folder for easy access to many more "go to" books. The folders might have different icons to distinguish them one from another (like we can do now) and by hovering a mouse over the folder, a drop down menu reveals the choices and a simple click opens it .

    To me, this makes better use of the real estate up there :)

    NOTE: the difference between this idea and the Parallel Resource icon should be evident. Ease of use and accessibility are the immediate benefits.

  • Veli Voipio
    Veli Voipio MVP Posts: 2,072

    Charlene said:

    RAusdahl said:

    2) Provide a larger pop-up window when right-clicking on a word in a resource. When right-clicking on a word, make the pop-up window large enough to eliminate the need to scroll through options in the pop-up window, provided there is room on the screen to do so.  As it currently works, every time I right-click on a word to get a definition, the option to get a definition is not visible in the pop-up window and requires scrolling to reach it, even though there is plenty of room on the screen for the pop-up window to display all options without having to scroll to see them.

    Yes, please!

    [Y]

    Gold package, and original language material and ancient text material, SIL and UBS books, discourse Hebrew OT and Greek NT. PC with Windows 11

  • Rich DeRuiter
    Rich DeRuiter MVP Posts: 6,729

    Build upon the ability to drag Resources up onto the menu bar in Logos - which is fantastic. (I love it; I use it.) But how about allowing the ability to create folders on the menu bar - these might have categories of resources [yes, similar to Collections] which would allow us to group similar resources into a folder for easy access to many more "go to" books. The folders might have different icons to distinguish them one from another (like we can do now) and by hovering a mouse over the folder, a drop down menu reveals the choices and a simple click opens it .

    Doesn't Favorites do what you're asking (albeit not on the menu bar)? If not, would you clarify what it is you want to do, and why Favorites is not how you'd want to do this?

     Help links: WIKI;  Logos 6 FAQ. (Phil. 2:14, NIV)

  • Bryan S.
    Bryan S. Member Posts: 183 ✭✭

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  • Charlene
    Charlene Member Posts: 548 ✭✭

    Bryan S. said:

    How about a Free user manualSmile

    I soooooooooo agree with this one!

    Charlene

  • Francis
    Francis Member Posts: 3,959 ✭✭✭

    Definitely a Free user manual ! 

    Reminds me of an ad from a car dealership that went something like this: great deal on model x year y, comes complete with wheels, seats and doors! Plus special bonus: buy a car and get a free coffee and donut!

  • Bryan S.
    Bryan S. Member Posts: 183 ✭✭

    Francis said:

    Reminds me of an ad from a car dealership that went something like this: great deal on model x year y, comes complete with wheels, seats and doors! Plus special bonus: buy a car and get a free coffee and donut!

    But I bet that car came with 2 user manuals in the Glove Box[:)]

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  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 54,952

    Perhaps we are looking at this wrong. There is a great deal of software that no longer comes with company produced manuals. Instead you go to your local bookstore and pay an exorbitant amount for the manual of your choice ... there are several to chose from and they meet different needs. All it takes is a sufficient market to buy the manuals. So get out there and market Logos/Noet/Verbum ... we can make this happen.

    [:)] Yes, the glass is half-full.[;)]

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  • Bryan S. said:

    How about a Free user manualSmile

    What user manual content is desired ?

    What interactive tutorial(s) would be helpful ?

    What datatype and search information would be prudent ? e.g. Literary Type Explorer of Biblical texts ?  Datatype explorer ?  Speaker Explorer ?

    Keep Smiling [:)]

  • Bryan S.
    Bryan S. Member Posts: 183 ✭✭

    " rel="nofollow">Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) said:

    Bryan S. said:

    How about a Free user manualSmile

    What user manual content is desired ?

    What interactive tutorial(s) would be helpful ?

    What datatype and search information would be prudent ? e.g. Literary Type Explorer of Biblical texts ?  Datatype explorer ?  Speaker Explorer ?

    Keep Smiling Smile

    Have you never read a user manual for a software program? My Microsoft office program manual is 825 pages My CDM+ is 14 manuals over 1400 pages and there isn't one aspect of the program that isn't covered in detail and If I don't know and need to shazam it's in the manual and I don't need wiki and 14 other websites to teach me, or post a question on a forum and hope somebody will give a halfway decent answer.

    That's what content is desired!

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  • John Duffy
    John Duffy Member Posts: 591 ✭✭✭
  • Sandy Turnbull
    Sandy Turnbull Member Posts: 2 ✭✭

    [Y][Y][Y] for a user manual.

    In addition:

    1. A user option to disable / turn off syncing.
    2. The option to disable user contributions, underlines, notes etc system wide instead of per resource.
  • Graham Criddle
    Graham Criddle MVP Posts: 33,250

    Hi Sandy - and welcome to the forums

    The option to disable user contributions, underlines, notes etc system wide instead of per resource.

    Are you aware that you can choose to "not show in any resources" if you right-click the relevant filter?

    Graham

  • Sandy Turnbull
    Sandy Turnbull Member Posts: 2 ✭✭

    Hi Sandy - and welcome to the forums

    The option to disable user contributions, underlines, notes etc system wide instead of per resource.

    Are you aware that you can choose to "not show in any resources" if you right-click the relevant filter?

    Graham

    Hello Graham and thank you. I wasn't aware of that option. Many thanks for taking the time to point it out to me.

  • Charlene
    Charlene Member Posts: 548 ✭✭

    Are you aware that you can choose to "not show in any resources" if you right-click the relevant filter?

    When did this option come about? Somehow I missed this!

    Charlene

  • Graham Criddle
    Graham Criddle MVP Posts: 33,250

    Charlene said:

    Are you aware that you can choose to "not show in any resources" if you right-click the relevant filter?

    When did this option come about? Somehow I missed this!

    I forget exactly but it was at least a couple of years ago - https://community.logos.com/forums/t/61098.aspx 

  • Charlene
    Charlene Member Posts: 548 ✭✭

    Charlene said:

    Are you aware that you can choose to "not show in any resources" if you right-click the relevant filter?

    When did this option come about? Somehow I missed this!

    I forget exactly but it was at least a couple of years ago - https://community.logos.com/forums/t/61098.aspx 

    Thanks, Graham! I remember when the feature came out, but somehow I missed how I could turn it off for all resources! This is wonderful!

    Charlene

  • Bryan S. said:

    " rel="nofollow">Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) said:

    Bryan S. said:

    How about a Free user manualSmile

    What user manual content is desired ?

    What interactive tutorial(s) would be helpful ?

    What datatype and search information would be prudent ? e.g. Literary Type Explorer of Biblical texts ?  Datatype explorer ?  Speaker Explorer ?

    Keep Smiling Smile

    Have you never read a user manual for a software program? My Microsoft office program manual is 825 pages My CDM+ is 14 manuals over 1400 pages and there isn't one aspect of the program that isn't covered in detail and If I don't know and need to shazam it's in the manual and I don't need wiki and 14 other websites to teach me, or post a question on a forum and hope somebody will give a halfway decent answer.

    That's what content is desired!

    The 825 pages about Microsoft Office usage lacks Visual Basic for Applications (VBA) documentation, which explains technical details about writing VBA code to extend Office functionality.  Also lacking is Visual Studio documentation for creating Office plug-ins using a different language to interact with Office objects.

    While reading many thousands of manual pages, support articles, blogs, wikis, bulletin boards, ... have encountered numerous examples of incomplete or contradictory information so have had to experiment to find out what works: e.g. one option for a software command worked while two other similar options would not.  Keeping software documentation up to date with bug fixes and new features is very expensive and time consuming.

    An example challenge for Logos software help is documenting pop-ups and links that can be affected by prioritization.  Thankful can prioritize lexicons so right click choice of lemma has my Top 5 lemma lexicons and right click of Strongs Number has my Top 5 Strongs.  A number of lexicon resources have lemma and Strongs indexing so have used prioritized lexicons without Strong's indexing before ones with Strongs, which enables right click in resources with lemma and Strongs tagging to have right click choice of ten lexicons.

    Logos 6 expanded search capabilities along with many new features.  An interactive search assistant with pickers for <People>, {Milestone}, {Literary Type}, ... would be appreciated.  Am aware Logos software has many datatypes, but do not know what is available for searching.  Dreaming of Psalms explorer metaphoric cloning to other searchable domains along with being maintained as domains expand.

    Logos Help has a Table of Contents that does not fit in one screen shot:

    What help content needs more explanation? e.g. description for Weight and Measures Interactive ?  Resource Priority lacks Advanced ?

    What help content needs to be added? e.g. How to add documents from Faithlife ?  Link to example Search Field usage ?

    Thankful for list of Search Fields in Logos Help, but wonder about range of values for each field.

    Keep Smiling [:)]

  • post your crazy / wild / big idea for Logos 7 here

    Noticed a new feature in a competitor's product is dynamic interlinear.  The idea of choosing manuscripts and/or translations for interlinear lines is intriguing, especially when combined with highlighting, including visual filters.  Other lines could show tagging: speaker labels, literary type, ...

    Related is expanding Personal Book Builder to allow interlinear resource creation.

    Edit: competitor also has flex search so phrase “build houses” will yield results for “build houses,” “building a house,” and “the house that King Solomon built.”  Seems flex search is a kind of fuzzy search.  Extending original language root search metaphor to English synonyms would be appreciated so "build home" includes "construct house" results.

    Keep Smiling [:)]

  • Rich DeRuiter
    Rich DeRuiter MVP Posts: 6,729

    Regarding reverse interlinears,

    One thing I've noticed infrequently, is that sometimes a translation uses a non-standard manuscript (chooses a text variant), however the rev. int. doesn't always reflect the translation choice. It would be cool if those variants were taken into account in the rev. int. text for each specific translation. I realize this gets complicated when an OT translation chooses to follow the LXX, rather than a Hebrew text. There would have to be some way of noting that in the rev. int. for those translations as well.

    It would also be pretty interesting then, to be able to compare the textual variants between translations.

     Help links: WIKI;  Logos 6 FAQ. (Phil. 2:14, NIV)

  • Bryan S.
    Bryan S. Member Posts: 183 ✭✭

    " rel="nofollow">Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) said:

    Keeping software documentation up to date with bug fixes and new features is very expensive and time consuming

     [:'(]   Bo Ho for the folks making thousands that they would actually do thier job and give us at least a pdf manual

    Here's the deal so perhaps you might get it for those of us that would like a manual. A manual is different than the the help menu in the top right corner, a manual I can read and study, the help ? is designed to help me when I realize I have a problem. A Manual I can read and study to see what the software can do  There are features in this program a lot of people don't even know about well for the simple fact they don't know the feature exista manual would fix this. Plus a manual explains things in great detail it doesn't just hit the high points it hits every point and this is why a lot of people are frustrated with Logos.

    Second I am thankful for all the free stuff Faithlife offers, but as long as I am paying for it I'm going to speak my mind about it your entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine, get used to it cause I'm here to stay.

    Keep smilingWink

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  • Lee
    Lee Member Posts: 2,714 ✭✭✭

    1. A complete (i.e. not just "new features") PDF/digital manual. This is especially critical for overseas users. One only needs to read the feedback from here and here to feel the pulse of user sentiment.

    2. Ability to space out auto-updates of programs to monthly cycles, or IN THE ALTERNATIVE, delta updates instead of behemoth xy.z MB combo updates.

  • Bryan S.
    Bryan S. Member Posts: 183 ✭✭

    Christianity has not been tried and found wanting; it's been found difficult and not tried.

  • Curtis M
    Curtis M Member Posts: 25 ✭✭

    How about customizable base packages? After having bought several different base packages, I now find Logos to be rather bogged down with stuff I would rather not have. It makes searches slow, indexing long, (at least, I assume that this contributes to these issues) and I find it hard to find the stuff I am actually looking for. I have been thinking about buying a new base package in L6, but in the package I am considering, I am only interested in about 20% of the resources in the package. Another 30% I am indifferent to, but the remain 50% I would really rather not even have on my machine, and it is such a pain to hide each resource I don't want to show up. I shudder to think how many unwanted resources I will have on my machine by L12. It would be nice if I had more control over what I buy in a base package.

    Also, while I'm at it, how about pulling apart more of the commentary series? I find that when I am working on a particular portion of scripture, I will go to bestcommentaries.com and find a couple I would like to buy. At this point, I am willing to drop $50-$100. But then I find that I can only get that particular volume I would really like by buying the whole set for $500-$1500, and there is just no way that I can just drop that kind of cash. So I end up not buying anything.

     

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 54,952

    Bryan S. said:

     A manual is different than the the help menu in the top right corner, a manual I can read and study, the help ? is designed to help me when I realize I have a problem. A Manual I can read and study to see what the software can do  There are features in this program a lot of people don't even know about well for the simple fact they don't know the feature exista manual would fix this.

    It seems to me that what you say applies to most software I own but not to Logos/Verbum/Noet. Here the Help function contains nothing but the list of features available under what portion of the program i.e. a very brief descriptive manual. I, at least, don't find it very good for helping me solve problems.

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  • James Hiddle
    James Hiddle Member Posts: 792 ✭✭

    Curtis M said:

    How about customizable base packages? After having bought several different base packages, I now find Logos to be rather bogged down with stuff I would rather not have. It makes searches slow, indexing long, (at least, I assume that this contributes to these issues) and I find it hard to find the stuff I am actually looking for. I have been thinking about buying a new base package in L6, but in the package I am considering, I am only interested in about 20% of the resources in the package. Another 30% I am indifferent to, but the remain 50% I would really rather not even have on my machine, and it is such a pain to hide each resource I don't want to show up. I shudder to think how many unwanted resources I will have on my machine by L12. It would be nice if I had more control over what I buy in a base package.

    Also, while I'm at it, how about pulling apart more of the commentary series? I find that when I am working on a particular portion of scripture, I will go to bestcommentaries.com and find a couple I would like to buy. At this point, I am willing to drop $50-$100. But then I find that I can only get that particular volume I would really like by buying the whole set for $500-$1500, and there is just no way that I can just drop that kind of cash. So I end up not buying anything.

     

    I like that. A custom base package or a build your own base package. Sort of like a buffet where you can add what you want on your plate instead of going through a menu and pick one single thing.

  • For Bible Word Study, would appreciate ability to group (or segment) translation ring by morphology usage.  Would like to see translation choices grouped by cases, verb tenses and moods, which is a bit different than Case Frames.  Also would appreciate Apostolic Fathers section with translation ring so a Greek lemma word study could have Translation, Septuagint Translation, and Apostolic Fathers Translation sections.

    Zondervan has a series of books with various perspectives so a wild idea is a topical perspectives explorer.  Related crazy idea is a theological perspectives explorer.  Prophecy explorer would be awesome: OT fulfilled in NT and yet to be fulfilled.  Quickly summarize divergent points of view with searches to dig deeper.

    One more explorer idea (with map integration) is descendants of ancient people: e.g. trace Assyrians to modern day.

    Astronomical crazy idea is integration of Hebrew calendar with historical timelines that includes Solar and Lunar eclipses.  Reading "Blood Moons" by Mark Biltz was fascinating, which described Hebrew word pictures using alphabetic characters.  Hence, another idea for Logos software is a Hebrew Word Picture explorer.

    Bryan S. said:

    " rel="nofollow">Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) said:

    Keeping software documentation up to date with bug fixes and new features is very expensive and time consuming

     Crying   Bo Ho for the folks making thousands that they would actually do thier job and give us at least a pdf manual

    Observation: businesses that are remain profitable stay in business, which is different than bankruptcies of America Online, Atari, Borders, Commodore International, Silicon Graphics, Magnavox, Palm Computing, Polaroid, Zenith, ...  CompUSA and Kodak are substantially smaller after bankruptcy.

    Bob Pritchett, Faithlife CEO, replied with a profitable observation (Income - Expenses = Profit) => http://community.logos.com/forums/p/58162/414162.aspx#414162  Another reply => http://community.logos.com/forums/p/58026/413124.aspx#413124 has 2012 profit insights:

    Jacques said:

    He feels they should be ashamed for this kind of profit-margin, it's not reasonable.

    What would a reasonable profit margin be? What profit margin does your friend think Logos has?

     

    For what it's worth, I got our third-quarter financials earlier this week. For 2012 so far, the Logos profit margin was just about 0.38%. (Not 38%. Less than half of one percent.

     

    Now I'm not looking for sympathy -- we're fine. It's better than that most years, and the first three quarters of this year reflect a lot of investment in Logos 5 that hadn't yet generated any revenue. (That's what we're doing now!) I expect we'll end the year with solid single-digit profitability, and we've beaten that in the past.

     

    But the point is, we have to sell something in order to be here to serve you into the future. It's insanely expensive to develop software, especially when you have to develop the same software on Mac, Windows, Android/Kindle, iPhone/iPad, Web (and now Windows 8 RT!) simultaneously. While offering free support.

     

    So I'll take the criticism that we're always trying to sell you more books -- it's true, and it's the only way we get paid. Though, at every upgrade cycle, it does condemn us to a lot of impassioned forum conversations about the injustice of upgrade bundles. :-)

     

    I do welcome your input on a solution. Maybe the "free software" concept was a bad idea? Few other products I have have been offering free engine updates -- in any form -- since 1995. I've bought Word, Excel, Windows, Mac OS, etc. many times in those 17 years. Should Logos just move to paid upgrades, and stop making so many books? (It might be hard to make that change after all these years, but it's an interesting question.)

     

    I appreciate your investing in our product, and I hope that you'll continue to believe it has been a good investment. And I want you to know that we're working hard to serve you better AND ensure that we're here for decades to come to support the investment you have made. Input on how to do that is always welcome.

     

    (My favorite idea... just convince every Christian in America to pay $3 per month... then we could offer everybody all the content, support, and continued maintenance for a very low price! The only trick is getting everyone signed up at once...) :-)

     

    -- Bob

     

    Thankful for many, many valuable free software releases.  Thankful for many free Logos video tutorials.  Thankful for previous business decision to focus on improving software over providing a free manual.  Thankful for Logos 6 launch including forum threads for every new feature so am still learning Logos 6

    Logos 6 Introduction offers => https://www.logos.com/intro-offers includes "Learn to Study the Bible" Mobile Education course.

    Primary business purpose for Logos Bible Software is enabling efficient study so time is available for other activities.  Personally desire "better results faster" so would appreciate Logos study techniques and work flow tutorials using software features to better prepare messages quicker.

    Keep Smiling [:)]

  • Kristin Dantzler
    Kristin Dantzler Member Posts: 111 ✭✭

    Customizable base packages would be a major step forward which would remove the biggest point of reluctance to upgrade for me.

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 54,952

    Fifer Dad said:

    Customizable base packages would be a major step forward which would remove the biggest point of reluctance to upgrade for me.

    The cross-grade options basically provide a build-it-yourself option don't they?

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • SineNomine
    SineNomine Member Posts: 7,012 ✭✭✭

    In a sense, customizable base packages cease to be base packages.

    “The trouble is that everyone talks about reforming others and no one thinks about reforming himself.” St. Peter of Alcántara

  • Simon’s Brother
    Simon’s Brother Member Posts: 6,823 ✭✭✭

    In a sense, customizable base packages cease to be base packages.

    [Y]

    A request for customization of base packages is a question of product marketing and not about something new that can be brought to the bible study experience in Logos 7.   

  • " rel="nofollow">Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) said:

    Logos Help has a Table of Contents that does not fit in one screen shot:

    Perhaps Help menu could be joined by Tutorial and Feature explanations.  For features that can be used offline, explanations need to be usable offline.  Online feature explanation should include insights why this feature requires internet access.

    Page 6 of thread => https://community.logos.com/forums/t/98212.aspx?PageIndex=6 has many comments.   With Faithlife corporate focus on quality and service, adding digital resource(s) to Logos, Verbum, and Noet libraries to enable user discovery and use of awesome features would be appreciated.  The digital resource could have screen shots from tutorial videos plus embed video for viewing within application.  Another online embedded idea is Logos Support page integration with Help searches.

    Wiki page => https://www.logos.com/product/48988/logos-6-whats-new-video grew out of a forum discussion about how to get started using Logos.  Dreaming of a Time Saving Tips Tool (or resource) that has many Tips and Tricks for faster application use.

    Thankful for Logos 6 pre-publication of Morris Proctor's What's New => https://www.logos.com/product/48987/logos-6-whats-new

    Noticed Logos 6 What's New video pre-publication => https://www.logos.com/product/48988/logos-6-whats-new-video progress is Almost There

    Dreaming of Morris Proctor Mobile Education courses.

    Keep Smiling [:)]

  • Matthew
    Matthew Member Posts: 941 ✭✭

    My suggestion would be create new/better ways to find relevant counseling and mental health material in our libraries. The way I envision this happening is to expand the tagging in counseling resources, beginning with those included in Chaplain's Library. We would then be able to search Factbook for various mental health and counseling terms and situations, possibly even specific diagnoses. Expanding on this idea (or perhaps central to it), I would very much like to see the DSM or ICD (or both!) available in Logos. If that ever happens, then Factbook would be able to display the actual diagnostic criteria from the DSM or ICD. Below the diagnostic criteria, I envision Factbook being able to present categories of information from our libraries such as: (1) additional information regarding clinical presentation beyond that which is included in the DSM or ICD, (2) clinically proven treatment methodologies, (3) treatment methodologies that have been proven to be ineffective or even harmful (this would be particularly helpful for those without clinical backgrounds), (4) special needs/considerations that ministers, family members, etc. may need to know about a diagnosis or clinical situation/condition, (5) relevant/helpful Bible passages, (6) links to reputable online resources (I will not go into a specific list here), (6) in general anywhere in our libraries where a particular diagnosis/situation/condition/etc. is discussed. Please note that these categories are just off the top of my head and most certainly could be improved upon. The final implementation would need to be such that it would be helpful both to those with and without clinical training/backgrounds. A few extra thoughts on how this might work:

    (1) As a new tagging system (not sure if "system" is the right word) would need to be created in Logos for clinical diagnoses, the DSM (used in America) or ICD (used pretty much everywhere else) would be the two main candidates for what would be used as the foundation for such a system. However, the problem I foresee is that any system based on either of these books would "break" every time a new edition of the DSM or ICD is released, as new editions generally mean that new diagnoses and codes are created and old ones are removed or otherwise modified (for a rough comparison, think of broken links in Logos resources when we moved from BAGD to BDAG). An independent system of tagging created by Logos perhaps would be best, but it also would be more work.

    (2) If the DSM or ICD were to be included in Logos, it would be AWESOME if Logos would create interactive media based on one/both of these. It would be a "mental health explorer" of sorts so that someone could use to quickly gain an overview of diagnostic categories, do differential diagnosis by comparing presenting issues and symptoms with diagnostic criteria, etc. 

    (3) As this idea would potentially take Logos into slightly uncharted territory, FaithLife might benefit from (temporarily?) hiring or at least consulting with licensed professionals who have clinical training. If such individuals are already employed or used by FaithLife, then obviously disregard this point!

    Logos has recognized the importance of mental health and counseling resources by creating a Chaplain's Library. I would LOVE to see new tools available to help us better utilize these resources!

  • JoshInRI
    JoshInRI Member Posts: 1,942 ✭✭✭

    Please make sure it offers one finger selection of book, chapter, verse lookups that works consistently across all platforms.

    Also, how about a default One Bible and several commentaries layout that can be opened quickly and by default please.

  • Graham Criddle
    Graham Criddle MVP Posts: 33,250

    JoshInRI said:

    Also, how about a default One Bible and several commentaries layout that can be opened quickly and by default please.

    Are you aware of how to set up your own layouts - which would provide this?

    And in Program Settings you can tell Logos to open to a particular layout which would provide the default setting you are asking for

  • Kevin Maples
    Kevin Maples Member Posts: 808 ✭✭

    I haven't read the many posts in this thread so forgive me if this is redundant. 

    I'd like to see more search features. Such as a more advanced search interface for journals. If you search in an online database like ATLA you can limit the search to certain years, article type, etc...

    Also, I'd like searches to be more intuitive. This may be a big request, I don't know enough about programming to know how big of a task this would be. However, if I search for a verse on Google the search engine can figure out what verse I'm looking for if I get any where close to the wording, Logos cannot. Sometimes I search for words NEAR each other and later find that results fell just outside of the word limit for NEAR. 

  • Ted Weis
    Ted Weis Member Posts: 738 ✭✭✭

    I'm too lazy to search through this thread, but one feature I want to see if the ability to search within specific chapters of any given book.

  • Jeff Saunders
    Jeff Saunders Member Posts: 10 ✭✭

    Speed Comparable to Accordance. Spend a few weeks with Accordance and than make Logos just as fast. That's all I ask.

  • John Goodman
    John Goodman Member Posts: 1,739 ✭✭✭

    גַּם־חֹשֶׁךְ֮ לֹֽא־יַחְשִׁ֪יךְ מִ֫מֶּ֥ךָ וְ֭לַיְלָה כַּיּ֣וֹם יָאִ֑יר כַּ֝חֲשֵׁיכָ֗ה כָּאוֹרָֽה

  • Vines
    Vines Member Posts: 8 ✭✭

    I don't think anyone has mentioned the need for more resources in non-English languages.

    I know the West is where the money is, but the East is where the future is.

    Logos has transformed what I can do in terms of using original languages in sermon prep and research, imagine the impact on the kingdom if this software could be used in the same way by native speakers of Chinese, Arabic, Hindi, Russian...

    A good starting point would be to at least have interlinear support for the Arabic Bible (Smith Van Dyke & Kitab Al Haya')